RJ Hampton
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I do! Mainly bringing it up since overseas appears to be not in play anymore.
I would agree with that. ESPN would’ve told them to pound sand otherwise.
I agree, doesn’t seem that he would announce on ESPN if going overseas.
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Not being too skeptical here, but ESPN broadcasting and announcement to KU? My first thought was that this has the earmarks of a Memphis announcement, and ESPN slobbering all over Hardaway and his #1 recruiting class. The next UK b.s. We’ve had so much negativity, it’s hard to turn to positivity. I’m trying.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Not being too skeptical here, but ESPN broadcasting and announcement to KU? My first thought was that this has the earmarks of a Memphis announcement, and ESPN slobbering all over Hardaway and his #1 recruiting class. The next UK b.s. We’ve had so much negativity, it’s hard to turn to positivity. I’m trying.
Skepticism is warranted. We’ve been snakebit by these things a lot. The last kid we got on an ESPN announcement was Billy. Whoops.
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@FarmerJayhawk Seems like a lot of KU commitments lately announce on social media or just announce something at their school. Seems like Self/KU don’t care how they do it, whereas some of the other bigger schools might to drive up hype?
Still feel great about Hampton though.
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BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Seems like a lot of KU commitments lately announce on social media or just announce something at their school. Seems like Self/KU don’t care how they do it, whereas some of the other bigger schools might to drive up hype?
Still feel great about Hampton though.
Agreed. Nike likes their kids to announce on ESPN. Everyone else is like ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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@HighEliteMajor I was thinking similarly. It’s more of a story if he goes to Memphis and gives Penny a #1 recruiting class and a team with a really strong chance to win a national title. Or if he surprises everyone and picks Michigan because of Juwan Howard, and then they can write stories about rekindling the old Fab 5 and how Howard is going to create a new Fab 5 or something. A Kansas pick is kind of boring.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich lol stop
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@BShark I’m just saying it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he chose Memphis.
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Memphis will look good in the NIT
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@BeddieKU23 well, they didn’t do THAT good last year
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I suspect Memphis will be just fine and I’m pretty confident with that roster they’ll be at least a 3 seed.
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So, if someone knows, what PG is standing in RJ’s way at Memphis? Dotson returning wouldn’t be an issue? Just being pessimistic right now.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
HighEliteMajor said:
Not being too skeptical here, but ESPN broadcasting and announcement to KU? My first thought was that this has the earmarks of a Memphis announcement, and ESPN slobbering all over Hardaway and his #1 recruiting class. The next UK b.s. We’ve had so much negativity, it’s hard to turn to positivity. I’m trying.
Skepticism is warranted. We’ve been snakebit by these things a lot. The last kid we got on an ESPN announcement was Billy. Whoops.
Well his commitment video was pretty epic, even if his time at Kansas wasn’t…
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HighEliteMajor said:
So, if someone knows, what PG is standing in RJ’s way at Memphis? Dotson returning wouldn’t be an issue? Just being pessimistic right now.
Boogie Ellis- 5 star that decommitted from Duke. Their 3rd leading scorer from last year Tyler Harris is there too
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Brooks over at the Memphis 247 site is saying they’re out on RJ. Just in case there was any consternation leftover.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Brooks over at the Memphis 247 site is saying they’re out on RJ. Just in case there was any consternation leftover.
Two pairs of shades, huh? Hampton and Wilson…
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Brooks over at the Memphis 247 site is saying they’re out on RJ. Just in case there was any consternation leftover.
Seems okay. I have VIP but can’t read it for some reason… I guess because it’s on their forum and not an article.
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Self likes two PG types on the floor together of course. Could be playing fast. Doke and SDS can get up and down the court.
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Marco said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Brooks over at the Memphis 247 site is saying they’re out on RJ. Just in case there was any consternation leftover.
Two pairs if shades, huh? Hampton and Wilson…
Better than even money I’d say.
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Tech just took another player. I’m 99% sure they’re at 13 now b
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Tech just took another player. I’m 99% sure they’re at 13 now b
Might as well fill up since rj is going to KU. Brooks made a bunch more posts btw, anything interesting? Annoyed I can read articles but not forums there.
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@FarmerJayhawk The other guy they got seems like a pretty decent player. A 6’9’’ forward who averaged 11.8 pts and 5.5 boards as a freshman and shot 39% from 3. I think he has to sit a year, though.
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@BShark not really. Just Memphis may add one more, might not. They’re not counting on Rayjon. KU dodged a bullet there.
@KirkIsMyHinrich sit one, play 3 guy who’s going to be a royal pain in the ass as long as Beard is there.
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You know, we have seen , we have read , and we have heard - off many of different conversation , multiple anlysts predicting - -words amongst ourselves from various places - talking about how good it was/is looking – How the CB is really favoring us – Others that were in the race for RJ commenting/surrendering /conceding - RJ to the Crimson and Blue - -that’s awesome - -Yet after the way this year has gone with so many peaks and valleys - -I just won’t feel at ease/confident UNTIL I hear RJ utter those words. - -to many let downs this year - - I just can’t feel at ease - - -I could much easier see Rj Tuesday getting on ESPN - -thanking everyone and then saying with that being said - I’m proud to announce that I will be playing at the University of Memphis - - I could just see that - - OH HELL NO
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@jayballer73 the only competition for KU is overseas. And I think it’s Kansas.
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So, what - boring Memorial Day weekend, everything’s underwater - do you guys think? Is Dotson coming back? Man, was thinking back on our (my) misses this year on recruiting (Tucker was a great miss), usually have a good feel. I’ll say this, though, (mark it down fellas!) if Self reels in Hampton and Wilson on top of Enaruna, McBride and Braun I will never doubt him again. The trial and Silvio’s suspension damn near tanked us.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 the only competition for KU is overseas. And I think it’s Kansas.
oh don’t get me wrong buddy - -I always can rely on you for having/knowing pretty solid - -it’s just that little bit of hesitance lol - - ROCK CHALK BUDDY
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jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 the only competition for KU is overseas. And I think it’s Kansas.
oh don’t get me wrong buddy - -I always can rely on you for having/knowing pretty solid - -it’s just that little bit of hesitance lol - - ROCK CHALK BUDDY
Oh definitely. It’s because I’ve never heard anyone say it’s done to Kansas.
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Marco said:
So, what - boring Memorial Day weekend, everything’s underwater - do you guys think? Is Dotson coming back? Man, was thinking back on our (my) misses this year on recruiting (Tucker was a great miss), usually have a good feel. I’ll say this, though, (mark it down fellas!) if Self reels in Hampton and Wilson on top of Enaruna, McBride and Braun I will never doubt him again. The trial and Silvio’s suspension damn near tanked us.
I feel pretty confident that Devon is coming back buddy. - -No w do I have any of that inside source stuff? - -no I don’t. - -just what my logic - -instinct is telling me - - my gut. - -Devon was quite clear in or his dad and him said - -they were really testing the NBA waters for informational purposes - to get feed back to see what he needed to work on - -what his short comings were so he could get them fixed. or improved
It’s been pretty well thought of by most that he will be back - a lot of NBA personal saying he needs to come back - -I think he will run with that. - -Even though he had a solid combine , not really strong enough to improve his status as much as he needs - -you want to get that 1 st round - so you can get that guaranteed money – most are thinking he right now is probably a middle to lower 2nd round 45 or lower - he comes back - puts in the work , has a really good year - -then all bets are off. - I think we are in really good shape for this year and his return. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 the only competition for KU is overseas. And I think it’s Kansas.
oh don’t get me wrong buddy - -I always can rely on you for having/knowing pretty solid - -it’s just that little bit of hesitance lol - - ROCK CHALK BUDDY
Oh definitely. It’s because I’ve never heard anyone say it’s done to Kansas.
YA I hear ya , and I know you have heard - -you can say Never say Never. - -stranger things have happened. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Nothing is for sure. Still time for bags of cash to suddenly appear.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Nothing is for sure. Still time for bags of cash to suddenly appear.
Yup. If it’s overseas you know UA backed up the Brinks truck.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 the only competition for KU is overseas. And I think it’s Kansas.
It’s already been pointed out, but it would be weird for RJ to go on ESPN to announce that he’s playing overseas.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 the only competition for KU is overseas. And I think it’s Kansas.
It’s already been pointed out, but it would be weird for RJ to go on ESPN to announce that he’s playing overseas.
Yeah this is where my cognitive dissonance is kicking in. At bare minimum ESPN knows who the legit options are so their analysts can do some prep ahead of time.
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On the bright side, if things go sideways with R.J., timing is such that we could get Grimes back.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
On the bright side, if things go sideways with R.J., timing is such that we could get Grimes back.
I think we will get rj
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Something to keep in mind. RJ’s dad can unilaterally make the decision here. The way the rules work, if a guardian agrees to a deal with a pro team, it’s the exact same as the player agreeing. If RJ announces he’s going pro on Tuesday, there’s a good chance it wasn’t his call.
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@FarmerJayhawk Great point on the control parents have over minors … but in this case, RJ is an adult. He’s 18. So he’s the boss to the extent he insists on making his own decisions.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Great point on the control parents have over minors … but in this case, RJ is an adult. He’s 18. So he’s the boss to the extent he insists on making his own decisions.
Unfortunately that’s not how the NCAA operates. Rod Hampton can call up the pro Australian league, agree to a deal, and RJ’s amateurism is over according to NCAA rules. It’s a garbage rule, but that’s what they did after Cam Newton’s ordeal (who also was over 18).
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Agent daddy ruins eligibility too.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Something to keep in mind. RJ’s dad can unilaterally make the decision here. The way the rules work, if a guardian agrees to a deal with a pro team, it’s the exact same as the player agreeing. If RJ announces he’s going pro on Tuesday, there’s a good chance it wasn’t his call.
RJ is legally an adult, so unless he has a signed document giving his dad power of attorney in matters such as these, Rod cannot legally make a decision on behalf of RJ.
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@FarmerJayhawk My view on this -
The key here is the same as it was in the Cam Newton deal. Does RJ have a verbal or written contract for his dad to act on his behalf? The fact that there was (allegedly) no verbal or written contract to act on Cam’s behalf, the NCAA set aside the suspension.
For example, if RJ’s mom is out there trying to “sell” RJ’s services, it’s irrelevant unless his mom has RJ’s authority (for this discussion, RJ is an adult).
In this situation, the only way he goes awry of NCAA rules is if there is a written contact with the pro team (of which RJ would need to sign, or his dad could sign if there was POA as @Texas-Hawk-10 mentioned), if RJ acknowledged that he had an oral agreement of agency with his dad (or a logic would dictate when defending your eligibilty, he didn’t deny it), or if he actually participated in the pro league.
So under your scenario, if RJ’s dad did “call up the pro Australian league (and) agree to a deal”, RJ’s amateurism is not over unless one of the examples above is met.
There are principles under the law of “actual authority” and “apparent authority.” Actual authority is where the consent to the agency relationship is given, oral or written. The parent acting for the child, in this situation where the child is an adult, would be one of “apparent authority” if there is no actual authority, which we presuming – the adult has done so in the past (acted on the child’s behalf), others can reasonably rely on it, there is no denial of authority by the child, etc.
@Texas-Hawk-10 You can give oral authority for one to act on your behalf. The difference in most every situation is proof. The reason you have a written document is proof. So if RJ made it known, or didn’t deny, his dad acting on his behalf, that would do it. One example under the law where a written agreement is required by the law is the transfer of real property.
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11 hours ago, @RJHampton14 tweeted “Biggest decision of my life.” Still undecided?
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@Gorilla72 I don’t think so.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 for amateurism purposes the law is irrelevant.
@HighEliteMajor the NCAA does not require RJ’s consent or knowledge, " … an agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly, represents or attempts to represent an individual for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation for financial gain or Seeks to obtain any type of financial gain or benefit from securing a prospective student-athlete’s enrollment at an educational institution or from a student-athlete’s potential earnings as a professional athlete.”
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7:30 AM CST announcement time.
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BShark said:
7:30 AM CST announcement time.
Let’s gooooooo
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BShark said:
7:30 AM CST announcement time.
He just announced on his Twitter account that hes announcing at 8:30am
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 8:30AM EST, which is 7:30AM CST.
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@FarmerJayhawk You have done what many do when looking at material such as this. You have cited a section that is not intended to be used for eligibility, but a definitional section. It is a section to be used to define the an agent for NCAA purposes. This has nothing directly to do with whether the player would be ineligible. That is, whether the defined “agent” is acting on his behalf.
If you go further under that same section, it defines “family members.” too – 12.02.4 Family Member.A family member is an individual with any of the following relationships to the prospective student-athlete: spouse, parent or legal guardian, child, sibling, grandparent, domestic partner or any individual whose close association with the prospective student-athlete is the practical equivalent of a family relationship.
Like the agent, it’s just a definition.
But the definition of an agent goes to my point – it states that an agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly, represents … an individual …" So in this scenario, the only way on can do that is with authority. You can’t represent someone without some type of authority to do so.
I suspect you are extrapolating the “attempts to represent” as opposed to “represents” as applying to his dad, meaning if his dad attempts to represent him, then he’s an agent. Again, your citation for this purpose is not applicable.
If this is what you are doing, it is silly to suggest that RJ’s consent or knowledge isn’t need. Absurdity is sometimes demonstrated by absurdity. With that in mind, I could make RJ ineligible by trying to market and sell his services to the highest bidder. That would be without his authority. That is obviously not going to make him ineligible.
