Bracketology Time
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kjayhawks said:
Murray State is a team I want no part of.
Worked out pretty well the last time we played them
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After seeing some upset again today to top seeds in some of the non power conferences. I donāt think TCU or TEXAS gets in and I honestly agree with it. Iāve stated several times how Iām not sold on this league but this new system was supposed to help some of those smaller teams and prevent an OU type deal from last year from being a OAD.
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Currently Lunardi has us as a 4 seed with Duke the 1 in the south. Thatās something we would love to avoid. Letās get a win tonight and get up to the 3 line!! Rock Chalk.
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Hmmm ā¦ in a year where weāre down. Maybe the chance to upset Duke could be the greatest opportunity of the season? Wouldnāt that be sweet?
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@HighEliteMajor I canāt think of many things better than ending Dukeās season two years in a row.
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I donāt think we should be lower than a 3 seed right now. If we win today weāre securely a 3 and arguably a 2.
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I think KU has to win tonight to have a chance at a 3 seed. They have zero shot at a 2.
Gonzaga, Virginia, Duke, UK, Sparty, UNC, Tennessee , and Michigan will be the top 8 seeds.
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They should be a 3-seed right now. Florida St and Kansas should be on the 3-line and LSU and Purdue should be on the 4-line. Purdue is a 3-seed ahead of Kansas. Kansas (23-8) has a better record than Purdue (23-9). Kansas has more Quad 1 wins and a better SOS (11 and 1, respectively) than Purdue (7 and 14, respectively). Itās an error to have Purdue ahead of Kansas right now. LSU played a weak non-conference. They lost to Florida St head-to-head. They lost to Oklahoma St by 13. They have a weaker SOS and fewer Quad 1 wins than Kansas. If Kansas wins today they are a lock for a 3-seed. I agree they probably wonāt jump anyone as a 2-seed, but you could argue by the numbers that they deserve it.
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We could beat Duke without zion
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@KirkIsMyHinrich A big difference between Kansas and LSU and Purdue is that LSU and Purdue each won their regular conference titles. The SEC and B10 are very good leagues and you have to be a good team to win those leagues.
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The big 10 had 9 teams with losing records in conference play. What a great conference
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Purdue only had to play Michigan, Wisconsin, Maryland, and Iowa 1 time in conference play because of schedule imbalance. LSU got Alabama twice, Georgia twice, Florida twice, Arkansas twice, and Texas A&M twice. They only had to play Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina, Mississippi St, and Ole Miss one time. In fact, LSU only had to play one ranked team on the road in conference play and that was at Kentucky. Regular season titles mean less in conferences where you see huge schedule imbalances like the Big 10 and SEC.
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BeddieKU23 said:
The big 10 had 9 teams with losing records in conference play. What a great conference
Not 9 teams and the top and middle of the B10 are still better than the top and middle of the B12 this year.
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Your right it was only 8. Not much of a Difference. We disagree about anything else
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@HighEliteMajor Who would guard zion? We have no one who couldā¦ot their big guy for that matter. They would beat us by 30 I hate to say.
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@BeddieKU23, @Texas-Hawk-10 is just in an argumentative mood here lately. He just said how much better he thought the b10 was than the B12 tho hes been giving me shit about saying the b12 is weak.
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kjayhawks said:
@BeddieKU23, @Texas-Hawk-10 is just in an argumentative mood here lately. He just said how much better he thought the b10 was than the B12 tho hes been giving me shit about saying the b12 is weak.
When have I said the B12 is better than the B10 this season?
Iāve gotten called out for saying the B12 only deserves 5 bids this year and that OU and Texas shouldnāt have been anywhere near the bubble. I still donāt think OU or TCU really deserve bids this year.
In years past, Iāve argued the B12 is better, but the B12 is running 4th this year behind the ACC, B10, and SEC.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 short memory my friend. I said a few days ago I thought the B12 maybe after the first weekend and you gave shit about it.
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@kjayhawks How does me saying Texas Tech was the only B12 team I would pick to make a deep run the same as saying the B12 is a great league this year. The B12 was damn good last year sending 3 to the E8. This year outside of KU when healthy, the B12 was severely lacking in quality nonconference wins this year.
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@Fightsongwriter Come on, man ā¦ Villanova beat Gātown in ā85. Who was going to guard Ewing? And Zion is no Ewing. Duke is not invincible. We might beat Duke one out of ten times. But weād only play them once. Youāve heard of upsets? Right? Duke lost a 2/15 deal once. We lost to freaking Northern Iowa
Hope! Faith! Even if it seems impossible.
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@HighEliteMajor You did not answer the question.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 ok, and I also said repeatedly that Tech ācouldā make a deep run. Just said Iām not expecting much from the conference. Then you referenced last year which I agree and havenāt disputed was a solid year for the B12. Heck Vermont could make a run, not even Sister Jean had Loyola to FF last year lol. Maybe I just took it the wrong way no biggie my friend.
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@Fightsongwriter No one on this team is capable of guarding Zion effectively. So I concede that point. Weād have to try to try to flash double him. Make him pass. Step in his lane. Push him from the basket. Team concept. Hope he gets 18 not 30. Great players also have off nights. Do I sound as stupid as I think I sound? Ok ā itās the NCAA tourney. Big upsets happen. That might be better.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Fightsongwriter No one on this team is capable of guarding Zion effectively. So I concede that point. Weād have to try to try to flash double him. Make him pass. Step in his lane. Push him from the basket. Team concept. Hope he gets 18 not 30. Great players also have off nights. Do I sound as stupid as I think I sound? Ok ā itās the NCAA tourney. Big upsets happen. That might be better.
only thing is ok - we can flash double down low - -what about when he takes you out on the floor - -he can hit the outside J too dribbles like a point guard. - using a Ewing ā Williamson comparison isnāt that close - -totally type of player.
You would never see Ewing take the ball out as far in the open space - ball handling skills - -Zion runs circles around Ewing with ball handling skills - the things that Zion can do - is crazy complete all around player. - -Ewing played a lot more inside - -sur he could step out some and hit the J - but Zion is just a much better complete overall skilledplayer
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If Self goes to Chicago, who is your #1 target ?
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Will Wade
Maybe a really good attorney? At least for the next few years.
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Iāve seen two final brackets from People that have KU as the 4 in the MW with UNC as the 1. Boy would Roy bitch and moan about that.
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Woodrow said:
Iāve seen two final brackets from People that have KU as the 4 in the MW with UNC as the 1. Boy would Roy bitch and moan about that.
Ya I saw us as a 4 in the Midwest playing St Louis thatās insane -the Other I saw I think it was in the East as a 4
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WHOA! Lunardi got 23% right this year. Including all four obvious #1s. (minus those #1s he was a whopping 18.75% correct. Give him a bonus, ESPN, or hire a random fan off the street who could probably predict a more accurate bracket.
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Brain of a KSU fan
Alternative look
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Also note, Lunardi picked (at best) 1 of 32 first round matchups if NC Central gets past Iona. Thatās useless. This guy should be selling used cars.
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@DanR at least they could find a good lookin guy! Maybe an ex coach or past player, anyone besides him! Was he a coach?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Hey, I aināt sayinā anything about the way he looks. In fact, Iāll give him some serious props for getting his ugly ass mug on TV from January to March.
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Just FYI ābracketologistā are graded on how many teams out of the 68 they get right and if they get them within 1 seed line.
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So does he have a bracketology degree?
what did qualify him? Iām serious.
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@Woodrow what is considered good for that? I figured him to be at about 64%
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http://bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
This is a link ranking bracketologists over the past 3 years. Lunardi is not good, but heās better than Jerry Palm at CBS.
As far as mainstream media figures go, Brad Evans at Yahoo is the best, but heās not even top 30.
Lunardi isnāt even the best at ESPN as that honor goes to Jeff Borzello who was ranked 34th.
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Lunardi is 63% for seeding. (cough big deal) O% for first round matchups.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 thanks for that link. I was curious about how other people graded the prognosticators. Iām basing my opinions about how often I saw Lunardi (and his followers/ESPN) discussing possible first and second round matchupsāin February. I know thereās nothing else to talk about except Zionās breakfast, butā¦
Using the final results from past matrices, each site was graded based on a scoring system made by Paymon at PHSports. This rubric awards 3 points for each team correctly picked, 3 points for each team correctly seeded, and 1 point for each team not seeded correctly but within one seed line. With 68 teams, a perfect score is 408. The variance section of the data table below lists the absolute deviation between each score and the mean for that particular year. Thus, a 10 point variance means that siteās bracket scored 10 points higher than the average bracket that year.
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@DanR Unfortunately, Zion has been having other teams for breakfast, so ESPNās review will continue.
For all of our whining about their focus on Zion, he is one of the most amazing college players I have ever seen. Letās face it: We gripe so much that, if he were at KU, and if they gave him the same level of attention as they do now, we would probably still complain that ESPN was not giving us our due.
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@mayjay The thing is, if he were at KU, he wouldnāt be getting this much attention. It wouldnāt be the non-stop Zion-fest. Iām not a great complainer on this topic when I see ESPN promote the ACC so vigorously. I understand that ESPN is a money making venture, so they gear their marketing to what might be most attractive to the bigger markets. Middle America is not the bigger markets.
But the Zion-fest, the focus on one player, is out of control.
A great example was Michael Beasley. He was a better college player than Zion. He absolutely dominated. There wasnāt 1/4 of this crap we see on ESPN now.
And I donāt think the point is that Zion is or isnāt āamazing.ā We all agree that he is amazing. But what appears to be the singular focus on one player is ridiculous. Menās CBB is much more than Zion Williamson, or any one player.
I just turn the channel.
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@BeddieKU23 āWe could beat Duke without Zionā
Says every team in the country. Lol.
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IDK Wiggins mania was a bit ridiculous and he wasnāt nearly as good as Zion.
Zion is amazing; the coverage is too much. The kid is amazing and didnāt ask to be over exposed, so Iām trying not to hold that against him. ESPN on the other hand is a bunch of douche nozzles for thinking we all care about Duke that much. Itās just Zion the casual fans want to see.
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@nuleafjhawk How about KU with Doke, DeSousa, and a Vick with his head on straight? What ifs, of course. But I think weād be the favorite. Like Dee Ford lining up offside. What could have been.
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Wigs didnāt get anywhere near the hype throughout the season as Zion has. Maybe itās because Zion is better than him but Dook is always getting more media attention than anyone else.
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I rate Zion as the #2 college player I have ever seen, behind KD. KD wasnāt near the presence down low or the rebounder Zion is but Zion aināt hitting 30 footers with guys in his face.
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ESPN ran the hype train with Trae Young last year but this years darling is on a much deeper level. Zion is easier to like I think as well and his dunks are exciting so I think fans of CBB, casual fans have an easier time staying in awe over his plays.
We couldnāt even hide from the Zion train during our own games this past week. Zion updates, Zion features, Zion promoās, Zion scoring updates, color announcers talking about Zion during our game. Seems like an all out company initiative where their paychecks depend on it
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nuleafjhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 āWe could beat Duke without Zionā
Says every team in the country. Lol.
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@kjayhawks I donāt know how old you are, but KU used to have a fairly decent guy named Danny Manning.
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@HighEliteMajor I totally agree. If we had those guys (maybe even without De sousa) we have #15 in hand, weāre a #1 seed - probably THE number one seed and weāre all making travel plans to Minnesota.
