VICK GONE for Good this time???
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We’re the laughingstock of the Big 12. It’s going to be so funny when we win number 15 in a few weeks.
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BeddieKU23 said:
No Vick to get more Charlie. Not sure we won on that
So, the healthy and eligible roster right now
Dotson, Grimes, Agbaji, Moore, Lawson, Lawson, Mitch, McCormack
We are foul trouble away from TEAHAN TIME.
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Ugh. This sucks.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
No Vick to get more Charlie. Not sure we won on that
So, the healthy and eligible roster right now
Dotson, Grimes, Agbaji, Moore, Lawson, Lawson, Mitch, McCormack
We are foul trouble away from TEAHAN TIME.
I wish I was surprised but the last few years have numbed away being pissed off about not having enough players or depth. It’s a circus
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Hawk8086 said:
Ugh. This sucks.
Does it though?
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Garrett practiced today, would bet he plays some Saturday
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
No Vick to get more Charlie. Not sure we won on that
So, the healthy and eligible roster right now
Dotson, Grimes, Agbaji, Moore, Lawson, Lawson, Mitch, McCormack
We are foul trouble away from TEAHAN TIME.
I wish I was surprised but the last few years have numbed away being pissed off about not having enough players or depth. It’s a circus
Well to be fair it’s hard to account for two injuries. Even in this crap scenario if Garrett and Doke were just healthy there would be more than enough depth.
So for now, Self pretty much has to play all 8 guys. We will get to see if Dave and KJ can adapt.
In the mean time…I heard KU is recruiting this player…
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
No Vick to get more Charlie. Not sure we won on that
So, the healthy and eligible roster right now
Dotson, Grimes, Agbaji, Moore, Lawson, Lawson, Mitch, McCormack
We are foul trouble away from TEAHAN TIME.
I wish I was surprised but the last few years have numbed away being pissed off about not having enough players or depth. It’s a circus
Well to be fair it’s hard to account for two injuries. Even in this crap scenario if Garrett and Doke were just healthy there would be more than enough depth.
So for now, Self pretty much has to play all 8 guys. We will get to see if Dave and KJ can adapt.
In the mean time…I heard KU is recruiting this player…
Can he shoot?
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It’s a family issue
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I didn’t call it. I wouldn’t call it, because I didn’t think Bill was stonecold enough to kick his to the curb. I definitely believed it was the best thing for the team’s success. Someone else did call it though. @kjayhawks ?
I don’t know if he’s gone gone. But I’m guessing Bill told him where he might expect to be in the rotation after that loss, and Vick didn’t want pollen allergies enflamed by an overdose of pine. Maybe a leave does him some good. I might hold onto a small hope that he can find balance again after a leave, as opposed to trying to play through being a knucklehead.
If it is truly a family issue, I A. feel bad for being so mad at a 20-something kid who is dealing with crap and B. have maybe even more than a small hope that he can come back focused.
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Edited my post to reflect yours
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https://twitter.com/GaryBedore/status/1093683178227859457
Comment from LALA @BeddieKU23
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BShark said:
https://twitter.com/GaryBedore/status/1093683178227859457
Comment from LALA @BeddieKU23
Yeah that does sound like LaLa laying some smoke down to protect Lagerald. In this case, it seems like a wise move.
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I thought self said it doesn’t look like Marcus could play sat
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What a dumpster fire
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A couple of weeks?
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This season is just a nightmare you can’t wake up from.
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@BShark If Vick is going to continue the “bad” ways…no. But the whole scenario of his actions and now suspension…yes I does. Should have responded to your comment about replacing Vick with Chuck. Although…maybe if Charlie gets a shot to play more off the ball he can show that shooting prowess that we’ve only seen brief glimpses of.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
I thought self said it doesn’t look like Marcus could play sat
It is likely he will be out for Saturday game
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 If it truly is a family issue…I feel bad for the kid.
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Well, I called this unfortunately. I think that may have diminished any hope of a B12 title or run in March. The distractions for this team seem to grow almost daily. Lets not harp on Vick until we know more. He could’ve had a death in the family or something along those lines.
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Hawk8086 said:
@BShark If Vick is going to continue the “bad” ways…no. But the whole scenario of his actions and now suspension…yes I does. Should have responded to your comment about replacing Vick with Chuck. Although…maybe if Charlie gets a shot to play more off the ball he can show that shooting prowess that we’ve only seen brief glimpses of.
In their current states, Moore is a better basketball player than Charlie right now. The KSU loss was about 70% on Vick 30% on Grimes in my book. Tempted to go higher on Vick too, he missed simple defensive assignments and his head just wasn’t in the game at all. He is simply not a good player when his head isn’t right.
Charlie Moore made more of an effort defensively and was more effective than Vick against KSU. That says it all.
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Self needs to do some serious reflection after this season. It all finally caught up to him in one giant shit storm. You just can’t take risky kids with character issues. And those that have them when they get here need to get gone immediately.
Time to start a new recruiting approach and at least give the program a facelift. This was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I always thought he basically had everything under control. This season is proof that he has just been putting bandaids on the leak. Recruit high character kids, and the results will be the results. I can live with that.
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If it’s a legit personal issue, then hopefully Vick gets through whatever that issue is.
If it’s a typical Bill Self kicking a kid off the team without throwing the kid under the bus type deal, then hopefully Vick’s influence on this team will disappear and KU can finish the year strong and make a decent showing in the tournament.
I hate that KU needs so much help down the stretch, but we definitely need Baylor to win on Saturday along with TCU disrupting Hilton Magic.
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I just keep laughing at myself for thinking this team would be a legit NC contender at the beginning of the season. Half the team was like “hold my beer” lol.
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The non-suiting up players squad keeps getting better.
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So, seriously, time to start thinking about pulling Elliot’s redshirt?
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So do we have tryouts for football players??
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Hawk8086 said:
@BShark If Vick is going to continue the “bad” ways…no. But the whole scenario of his actions and now suspension…yes I does. Should have responded to your comment about replacing Vick with Chuck. Although…maybe if Charlie gets a shot to play more off the ball he can show that shooting prowess that we’ve only seen brief glimpses of.
good thought!
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Why not I’m sure he can average 8 and 7 too
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approxinfinity said:
Hawk8086 said:
@BShark If Vick is going to continue the “bad” ways…no. But the whole scenario of his actions and now suspension…yes I does. Should have responded to your comment about replacing Vick with Chuck. Although…maybe if Charlie gets a shot to play more off the ball he can show that shooting prowess that we’ve only seen brief glimpses of.
good thought!
To further this line of thinking, maybe you can pull Dotson off of ball too. Grimes at point, Dotson and Chuck off ball.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Self needs to do some serious reflection after this season. It all finally caught up to him in one giant shit storm. You just can’t take risky kids with character issues. And those that have them when they get here need to get gone immediately.
Time to start a new recruiting approach and at least give the program a facelift. This was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I always thought he basically had everything under control. This season is proof that he has just been putting bandaids on the leak. Recruit high character kids, and the results will be the results. I can live with that.
I agree with you, but I think last year’s class was a HUGE step in the right direction.
This is certainly an interesting topic so let’s look at the roster
Dotson - Zero issues here. Good talent, great character.
Grimes - Everyone missed here, but I think he can be productive and part of the core of a winning team if he sticks it out. Doesn’t seem like a bad kid just FR struggles.
McCormack - By all accounts high character. Needs the game to slow down for him, just not ready yet. A typical #75-100 type recruit that got bumped up in a weak class.
Agbaji - Excellent character, fast learner. Good basketball player all around.
Garrett - Excellent character with one fatal flaw in his game which tbf is a big one.
Lightfoot - High character bench player.
Udoka - Great kid and effective player but injury prone.
Silvio - Honestly, great kid with a shitty handler. I would say it’s best to avoid “handlers” when possible. Obviously, Self was desperate at the time Silvio was acquired.
Moore - Forced transfer take after recruiting misses. Too short and just not a good fit for Self.
Dedric - Talented but definitely questionable character.
KJ - Had to take him to get Dedric…
Vick - Late take after recruiting misses. Then Self wanted to boot him but felt he couldn’t. Had he known how good Agbaji would be…
So, imo 7 great takes, 1otherwise good take with terrible timing and 4 meh takes. Thoughts?
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Kcmatt7 said:
So, seriously, time to start thinking about pulling Elliot’s redshirt?
Pretty sure it’s academic so no.
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Well it’s over for sure now guys, - -you thought we struggled before - - look the hell out. - -Really our only 3 pt threat - -now don’t come to me talking about an cancer. - - I realize that - -all I’m saying we are SO SCREWED. - -hope we realize we end up being a really low seed realistically were probably looking at a 8-9 seed - -as we are gonna really struggle finishing this season out - we looking at probably 4 more league losses for sure.
K- State at home - - -Texas Tech at Tech - -Maybe Baylor - - - - -Geez this season has been a diaster. - -We went from a very serious title contender to a very average team - – Doke OUT - - - Desousa - -NOPE – Garrett – OUT - – -now Vick Gone - -we went from a very deep talented team -depth at every position to very shallow NO DEPTH
We are in serious jeopardy - - of breaking our streak of consecutive weeks in the top 25 which we have the Nation’s longest -SOB what a screwed up season
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BShark said:
Vick was far and away the worst player in the KSU game. I didn’t think this would happen but I think it’s a good move.
IT’S CHUCK TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME.
Are you FRICKEN NUTS ? – have you just totally lost your mind ?
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“We need him here for a couple weeks,” La La Vick told The Star. “I need him. There’s a lot going on. It’ll work out.” Only statement from Lala or Vick himself
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Weird
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Well this should force the end of the 4 guard lineup experiment.
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@BeddieKU23 It wasn’t working anyway
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
Vick was far and away the worst player in the KSU game. I didn’t think this would happen but I think it’s a good move.
IT’S CHUCK TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME.
Are you FRICKEN NUTS ? – have you just totally lost your mind ?
Are you aware how bad Vick was against KSU? That loss was almost on him exclusively. When Vick was not playing, KU was whipping KSU in those stretches.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Well this should force the end of the 4 guard lineup experiment.
You’d think so with 4 guards, 3 bigs and…w/e position KJ is.
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So, ladies and gents. This is the team we would have had all year if Vick, Doke and Silvio had all been picked up by the league. Except we’d have at least 5 more losses.
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Currently eligible and healthy from the 2015 and 2016 recruiting classes: Mitch Lightfoot.
To your earlier point @Kcmatt7
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BShark said:
My guess is Vick is done at KU.
Ya think? – common sense would tell you that - -9 regular season games to go. - -I would be willing to bet he said screw this- - -which is just total immaturity on his part- -what a dumpster fire this is
Anyone wanting to guess what our regular season record ends up? - - Anyone want to wager their house about us getting out of the 1st round in the NCAA ?
This has been brought up in another thread here - -who thinks Bill might have lost this team? - - - Grimes - - - Vick -cancer’s ?
This just adds to the possibility that YES this very well just might be Coach Self’s last year with all that has happened this year - -on top of the possibility of more penalities that might be coming from the NCAA - - ban from post season? - -Stripped of Victories ? - - -Vacating the final 4 ? - -The FBI Trial ? - -the Connection with Coach and the Spurs - - - -Pops looking at retiring soon ? - - -Rumor has been said that Self had said that the Spurs would be the ONE team he would be interested in. – Get that list with names ready boys.
This year could be the year Coach says F - - - this - -he Gonna say – Cindy - - let’s loadem up - -holy crap what a cluster F - - - don’t laugh - -it could easily happen
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Self might go, but it won’t be to the NBA…
See also: Bob Stoops
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BeddieKU23 said:
No Vick to get more Charlie. Not sure we won on that
Exactly - - thank you - - and NO that is NOT a win for sure - - -this has been a crap year for Sports for sure - - Football sucked - - -Again - - - Basketball is going down the tubes - -QUICK - - Volleyball was sad - -Baseball psssssst - -do we have badminton here ? lmao
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nuleafjhawk said:
We’re the laughingstock of the Big 12. It’s going to be so funny when we win number 15 in a few weeks.
psssst HEY can you give me some of the shit you been smokin ? - -that must be some REALLY good shit roflmao. - In all seriousness you might wanna put the pipe down and slowly back away -come on Get real
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
No Vick to get more Charlie. Not sure we won on that
So, the healthy and eligible roster right now
Dotson, Grimes, Agbaji, Moore, Lawson, Lawson, Mitch, McCormack
We are foul trouble away from TEAHAN TIME.
Dam was good double now for sure we pulled the Re Shirt -just think about that lol
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
No Vick to get more Charlie. Not sure we won on that
So, the healthy and eligible roster right now
Dotson, Grimes, Agbaji, Moore, Lawson, Lawson, Mitch, McCormack
We are foul trouble away from TEAHAN TIME.
I wish I was surprised but the last few years have numbed away being pissed off about not having enough players or depth. It’s a circus
I didn’t get to see the Circus this year when it came to town – I’ll have to check it out Saturday lol
