Rocktagon the Chalktagon
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Moore and Mitch were the only players that were good tonight. Devon was OK, but had too many turnovers and forced shots.
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@Woodrow Freshmen point guards are tough to watch especially after the last couple years.
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dylans said:
@approxinfinity What happened to Moore in the second half? Disappeared to the bench it seemed
Better question is what happened to Mitch. Couldn’t even get off the bench 2nd half deposited his 1st half.
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dylans said:
@Woodrow Freshmen point guards are tough to watch especially after the last couple years.
Hey, I’ve been thrilled with Dotson, all in all. Kid played tough tonight, it just wasn’t his best game.
Not Frank and Devonte sure. But damn good for a freshman.
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Woodrow said:
Moore and Mitch were the only players that were good tonight. Devon was OK, but had too many turnovers and forced shots.
I think Dotson is doing just enough to stick around in college.
I’ve talked about processing Moore but games like tonight give me some pause. KJ has gotta go if Dedric does though.
Too many Self doghouse players on this team.
I think Vick graduating will be major addition by subtraction.
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@approxinfinity Dotson is great. Turnovers are not.
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Man there were some silly charges in that one.
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Dedric tonight showed why he has ZERO NBA ability. He will see guys Wade’s size with more speed every possession in the NBA. He isnt capable of getting a shot off against that. I bet he is back next year.
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Dotson just needs to learn when to attack and when to back it out. He is in Attack mode all the time and it leads to turnovers and forced shots.
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BigBad said:
Dedric tonight showed why he has ZERO NBA ability. He will see guys Wade’s size with more speed every possession in the NBA. He isnt capable of getting a shot off against that. I bet he is back next year.
There are other places to make good money playing basketball professionally.
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@approxinfinity In all fairness I did say freshman vs Sr and I stand by it. No comparison. Sr Graham or Sr Mason would pretty much single handedly destroy this team.
Freshman to freshman comp Dotson is better.
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Vick has gotta be consuming all of Self’s brainpower right now. I wish he didn’t have to think about Vick and could focus on stuff like Dedric rolling over and sucking when getting muscled around, and Dotson’s turnovers, and Agbaji’s jitters, and Grimes uselessness.
I think he’s working on Grimes, little by little, but for the other guys, since things are going mostly right they might be getting ignored, when you have a SENIOR DUMPSTER FIRE FEATHERS-FOR-BRAINS MOBILE CLOWN SHOW THROWING UNFORCED PASSES INTO THE STANDS
So mad.
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@truehawk93 sell them
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First few games Vick was amazing. Now we see the don’t want him to come back Vick. Bipolar play
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@kjayhawks some were charges
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@Woodrow And that’s fine with me. I don’t really want him back any way. I’d be fine flushing everyone except Dotson, Agbaji, and Mitch. Those three actually go hard all the time.
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@mayjay ice here
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I came back. Svi traded to Pistons today.
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Really?
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Woodrow said:
BigBad said:
Dedric tonight showed why he has ZERO NBA ability. He will see guys Wade’s size with more speed every possession in the NBA. He isnt capable of getting a shot off against that. I bet he is back next year.
There are other places to make good money playing basketball professionally.
This is what I suspect will happen with Dedric. Though I’d take him back in a second if KU can’t land Hurt or Precious.
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dylans said:
First few games Vick was amazing. Now we see the don’t want him to come back Vick. Bipolar play
He never played d and just was on a hot streak that you had to know wasn’t going to last.
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Actually on Wikipedia already! Traded with a 2nd rd choice for Reggie Bullock. Says the Pistons are wanting to develop young talent, so he should play more.
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mayjay said:
I came back. Svi traded to Pistons today.
So they have him and the American version Luke Kennard?
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@BigBad Dunno. I haven’t followed the Pistons since Marcus was there for a few games, I think.
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@mayjay heard he was traded, didn’t know where.
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Gotta guard the corners better (Vick). Obviously Lawson can’t dribble through a quick team like K-State. Honestly, I think we win this game with Garrett. That way we get less turnovers, a more rested Dotson, and more assists. Guard play in defense was just not disciplined enough.
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Jeff gueldner holding zero back on Vick
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betterfireE said:
Gotta guard the corners better (Vick). Obviously Lawson can’t dribble through a quick team like K-State. Honestly, I think we win this game with Garrett. That way we get less turnovers, a more rested Dotson, and more assists. Guard play in defense was just not disciplined enough.
Good point re Garrett.
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Would this team be better off in the long run had Vick not returned ?
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@Blown i guess it depends on who would have gotten his scholarship
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@Blown Doubtful with how Grimes, KJ and Ochai played especially in the second half. Its really disturbing to see our lone Senior play like that in a rivalry game.
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Vick must have done something on the bench.
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Looking at the boxscore its really on on the TOs, shot better and out rebounded them.
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Self on benching Lagerald and if it was related to production: “There was other reasons why.”
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@Crimsonorblue22 The biggest issue with this team is that there are not any upperclassmen spreading the culture. Self put Devonte on the phone for the Tech game pregame hype. Vick is our lone senior and he has had effort issues since day one. Not a great example for the young guys to follow.
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Quentin Grimes: 2 baskets, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 0 steals, 5 turnovers, 4 fouls.
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It wouldn’t surprise me at this point if Vick just up and leaves the team.
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I have no doubt that we would be better off without Vick, had we recruited a top 40 shooter. We would have lost a couple more preconference games but we would have won today. And we wouldn’t have an idiot hothead hamming it up after made baskets instead of getting back to play d, and making no look passes to the 5th row with a road win within reach.
Mindnumbingly stupid. Done with Vick.
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I think I’m getting more angry by the minute, KSU has completely owned us in most sports this year. Absolutely unacceptable.
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Son of a sheep lover…this team. SO many turnovers. Jeebus. I’d say that was pretty much the game. The harsh realization is that we have nearly zero ballhandlers. Even Dotson struggles when pressed. Grimes is kinda comical he’s so bad. How that guy even got a scholarship at a major program…hmmm. Hoping he stays and shows massive improvement next year.
On the bright side, Our defense was impressive for awhile. Albeit against a previously offensively challenged K-State team. Zone! Where’d that come from? Self is an enigma this year. Why go away from the plan/players that were keeping us in the game? Mitch, Charlie, etc.
K State once again game planned Vick out of the game. Self needs to do a better job of getting his guys in position to score.
Vick was benched the second I started screaming at the TV for his complete lack of effort or give a shit on D. I’m assuming that’s why. Anybody know otherwise?
The top moment of the game? When Mitch and Charlie bonked heads in the lane. Sums it up nicely.
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@mayjay That’s a good spot for him. He’ll carve out a larger role in Detroit.
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@jayhawkcsg You should yell at the TV earlier.
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kjayhawks said:
We were basically down 2 starters friends and showed our youth at the guard spots. Let’s take out some anger on OSU Saturday.
There is also a major bone to pick with OSU after their sweep last year, first in the HCBS era.
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Well if what I heard was right as I didn’t bother to watch the very end for just the reason I heard took place - -and that is that their so called fans rushed the floor and acted like idiots - -If that is the case - - - - -
Then in reality they are making themselves look really bad - - -even more so then our play. Cause as I’m sure we have all heard that when fans storm their court like that - -it detracts from what their team did ON the floor - -it’s like dis respecting your own guys , saying that they didn’t expect to win the game. - - It’s pretty classless ,people could and have been hurt. - -You remember when Jamari showed great restraint ? - and THAT was at K-Straight – I mean come on act like you belong - - act like you actually feel like you felt you could very easily win the game - -. - -this is just showing your ignorance. your taking away from what your team accomplished.
I thought the conference established fines for when league teams fans did this - -because of what K-Straight did the LAST TIME. RIGHT?
let me ask you - - how many times have you seen KU storm the court after winning a big game? - - -I mean obviously we sure the hell not going to storm the floor against league opponents - -I mean we beat their as so often - - -BUT how many times have you seen KU storm the court after we beat the likes of Say - - Kentucky ? - - - -N Carolina ? - - - -Michigan State ? – - Duke ? - -have you seen us storm the floor after we beat one of them ? - -the answer is a resounding - - NO - - - - why ? - - Why don’t we ? – - -the answer is simple - -because we have shown we belong - -we belong on the floor with these elite teams - I mean come on you fricken idiots - - so some class - - -some respect - -to us - - hell show it to your own players - - - - -Act like you belong -I’m sure it would be appreciated by ALL
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Another gem of a game from Grimes. He hit two 3’s. One of those was 10 feet long and banked in off the glass at 100 mph. He had five turnovers. He had four fouls. He had 1 rebound.
How was this kid the #8 recruit in the country and was a lottery pick on every board before the season started?
When does Bill put him on the bench? We have seen it before where Bill puts high ranked stars into the deep freeze. Why not Grimes? Not judging. Honestly asking. What is going on here?
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@joeloveshawks Its tough to see why Self would’t start Garrett over him once healthy. He’s had his time and hasn’t made the best of it. Maybe he would be better off the bench.
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Look at the other options. Optics play a part here. Self cant afford to sit a highly decorated freshman for recruiting purposes. This isnt the oubre years anymore, these kids notice. I’m not saying that’s the main reason as his defensive effort is appalling to watch which should piss him off enough to consider other options. I think Grimes is the least of his issues though, Vick again showed why he is not mentally capable of being a teammate and mentor
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@joeloveshawks Bill read boards past and is letting Grimes play through his mistakes, you don’t want to shatter his confidence, ya know? Lol
Seriously, I just think Self has too few options on what was supposed to be a deep team. You’ve got to play Vick, or Moore, or Grimes, or KJ, or Mitch. Most games Grimes just disappears. You usually know when the other guys are in. Our McDonald’s AA Center can’t get off the bench even with the two guys ahead of him on the depth chart out for the year. This is not the team America expected last summer.
No leadership, no chemistry, not good…yet I still hold hope this squad will galvanize. It may be losing the streak on the court (not in the court) will motivate the fantastic fresman core to be dominate as Sophomores (and Juniors if I may be greedy). Heck it may be they figure it out after this loss, but it looked all to familiar for me think a turnaround is that eminent.
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It really drives me nuts that Weber is allowed to be so far on the floor, hope one of these days someone flattens him.
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Self hasnt changed with regarding Grimes, he just doesnt have many options. Vick(brain dead), Grimes(Everything), Garrett(cant shoot at ALL), Moore(cant play d or finish at the rim), and Agbaji(young dumb mistakes) all have issues.
