Bill Self Playing Favorites
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drgnslayr said:
Have we even run our backdoor alleyoop yet this year? Wow… Self’s calling card.
This team is one of the least athletic teams Self has had. Grimes and Dedric do not have very good ups. Dotson is athletic but small. Doke is just big. Vick is the only top tier “athlete” on the active roster. Ochai looks to have soe serious athletic chops but we have to wait to see it develop.
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@BigBad Like Vick, I think Garrett is quick enough and athletic enough to execute the backdoor catch and dunk. But, currently on offense Garrett’s job is to execute the offense, not wait along the baseline for the backdoor pass.
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Garrett was “without a doubt” Self’s potg against Wofford. Interesting.
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Garrett really did play well, I thought. Somehow I don’t throw up when Self says that (like I did when he referenced JT in those situations – as if we weren’t watching the game).
Could Udoka really have been the potg? Meaning, that due to his absence we played better as a team?
God how I want DeSousa eligible. I’m beginning to believe that in order of importance, 1) DeSousa being eligible to play and 2) Grimes moving to his potential are the two biggest items for a national title.
Am I wrong in believing that I’d rather have DeSousa than Udoka?
I’m confused.
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@HighEliteMajor I don’t think its Doke, I think its the 4 guard line up that looks better. We used that line up against Tennessee in OT (Doke was fouled out) and it looked better. We also used it against Marquette with Doke in and it looked good. I think its fairly obvious at this point, that this team needs 4 guards on the court. I’m ok if Self wants to start Doke and Dedric and play 2 bigs here or there but the ball movement and overall play has been considerably better with 4 on the floor. I really don’t think there is an argument otherwise , watch tape of both and its a no brainer.
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Four. Guard. Line-up.
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BShark said:
Garrett was “without a doubt” Self’s potg against Wofford. Interesting.
His defense was really really good.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich he can really hit the boards, better than K.J.
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Garrett and KJ are of similar height, and that is where the similarities end.
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K.J. is a better shooter.
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This thread aged really well. Great job OP.
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dylans said:
Where’s Q gonna go juco ?!?
The kid’s hardly ready for NCAA let alone the NBA. I hope that delusion has left his skull, but you never know.Bill doesn’t even trust to put him out in key situations now and is totally correct.
Q didn’t enter in the 2nd half until very late. He promptly got lost on D and Self pulled him back out. Self can’t afford to play Q big minutes.
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Nice to see Garrett earning his keep on both ends of the floor now. Maybe by next year he’ll even hit a free throw or two!
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@BShark where is jayhawkfan2?
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@JayHawkFanToo where are you ?
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@approxinfinity Last online 25 days ago. He might be on a federal contract stranded overseas by the shutdown…
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Dedric was the best player tonight. Dotson was 2nd. Vick was 3rd.
Whoa…I get everyone’s reservation about Garrett, but COME ON. He deserves some credit. If this kid doesn’t stay aggressive, KU loses and that’s a fact. He was every bit as good as Dotson, but the nice fact is they came together and pulled off a win. In spite of our ignorant comments. His FTs have suffered lately.
I get the Self assessments on favs. He drives me crazy too. But we don’t have a stable of guys to choose. Agbaji is still adjusting, but rapidly. Freakin’ THT took him to school. I thought ISU did a great job creating mismatches, smart and genius from Prohm. But, KU won.
I think Self is going game to game. He just doesn’t have the luxury of having those constants each game as in the past. I really believe other than DLaw, Vick and Dotson, he’s simply game to game. I’d throw Garrett in the mix. But Ochai, Grimes, and even Garrett is still a work in progress. But we all know Self is going with tried and true Garrett. Right now, his D is what’s getting him the PT. Self will keep playing with Grimes each game.
ISU sped Ochai up too fast and it showed. His freshmen motor fouled him out. I know many were appreciating his aggressive play, but he can’t do that because it hurts the team. If Ochai and Grimes can hit their cylinders, we will be really hard to beat. Ochai shows flashes as a freshman.
Oh and…FREE SILVIO, as my cry falls on deaf ears and my fingers tirelessly type with wasted energy, SMH.
May I state the obvious to everyone? DLaw is a flatout stud. The NBA scouts must have been frothing at the mouth.
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@truehawk93 Two huge things with this team. First, much, much better to have a guy like Agbaji that you need to dial back. Intensity and aggressiveness are big deals here – this team, as much as any team under Self, needs that. Oddly, I was fine with him fouling out. I would have rather had him in the game, but this will help him learn and adjust. He needs to play. Second, Garrett deserves incredible credit for how his game has improved. It has all the earmarks of a coach in his ear continually telling him to drive, get to the rim, be aggressive – and then finally it sinking in. He’s attacking to the rim, and not falling away, sliding off, etc., which had limited that element of his game before.
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@truehawk93 That was a really old post you replied to. This thread is from early December. I bumped it back up to call out my own bad take.
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@HighEliteMajor I 100% agree with Ochai, but he’s no good with 5 fouls. I also get the the correlation with QG in too. Its unfortunate, but when they put it all together, it’s going to be a thing of beauty.
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I am both shocked by Garrett’s new found offensive mentality as well as Q’s inability to play defense (or really even ability to impact the game at all).
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Ok - so a hall of fame coach and professional college b-ball analysts have been extolling Garrett for weeks for obvious reasons. I don’t know a ton about the finer points of the game, but instinctively from game 1 of this season I never liked it when Garret was on the bench… I always felt better when he was in game. recently Self said the same thing.
coach has asked him to work on scoring more in addition to all the other things he does. And he is scoring more, despite the fact that he isn’t a natural scorer.
I get that people here will all have differing opinions on guys- it’s the essential nature of fan sites. ( I didnt like Grimes early on for the simple reason that he was considered a OAD - no other rational reason really. Just a visceral dislike. I am trying very hard to warm up to him. If he somehow turns his season around I will get on the Grimes bandwagon)
But never really understood the knocks by some here on Garrett. It felt wrong and biased (on his scoring as the most important metric ) and misguided.
Well now he’s scoring. And playing D. And boxing out. And assisting. And positioning himself on the court just like the coaches want him to.
Give the guy a break already
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Bill mentioned that Dotson helped create some of these looks for Garrett. Dotson penetrates a bit which forces a bit of help and gets Garrett the space he needs.
Self’s use of Garrett hearkens back to JJ a bit and in some ways, Garrett is kind of like a mini-JJ.
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Bosthawk said:
Ok - so a hall of fame coach and professional college b-ball analysts have been extolling Garrett for weeks for obvious reasons. I don’t know a ton about the finer points of the game, but instinctively from game 1 of this season I never liked it when Garret was on the bench… I always felt better when he was in game. recently Self said the same thing.
coach has asked him to work on scoring more in addition to all the other things he does. And he is scoring more, despite the fact that he isn’t a natural scorer.
I get that people here will all have differing opinions on guys- it’s the essential nature of fan sites. ( I didnt like Grimes early on for the simple reason that he was considered a OAD - no other rational reason really. Just a visceral dislike. I am trying very hard to warm up to him. If he somehow turns his season around I will get on the Grimes bandwagon)
But never really understood the knocks by some here on Garrett. It felt wrong and biased (on his scoring as the most important metric ) and misguided.
Well now he’s scoring. And playing D. And boxing out. And assisting. And positioning himself on the court just like the coaches want him to.
Give the guy a break already
Just to make sure, this is a really old thread. Basically everyone here has had nothing but praise for Garrett for weeks. Likely a full month.
I mean, to be fair to all of these old takes, most guards who can’t hit the 3 at 25% or free throws at 50% aren’t going to be very good guards. But he is certainly an outlier in this scenario.
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@Kcmatt7 Yep - good point, it is a quite old thread which has been added to. I guess I’m a bit too thin-skinned when it comes to Garrett. I love the guy despite his shortcomings.
Now I gotta try to warm up to Grimes and not be biased
So far just disappointed in him.
