Poor Silvio
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One important thing to remember is that the NCAA has not made us do anything with SDS. KU is choosing to sit SDS out of caution. It’s our choice. And that choice is made by folks with more info. The same ones that say Preston. And we now know some of that story.
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@HighEliteMajor I would agree with most of your NCAA facts in theory. But as you stated we all know your facts are never really true at this point.
You also make a huge assumption that SDS “knew.” Maybe so, but the kid is from another country. He’s not like a Ball kid or say Zion Williamson? I disagree totally, completely, and utterly with your argument that he knew. IF, IF, IF the guardian did anything which is plausible, but hasn’t been proven yet, SDS had no idea what was going on during the transaction. Those kids from foreign countries have no idea how corrupt and nasty these shoe companies can be in America. You’'re assuming guilt. You put SDS on trial, not the shoe companies. ADIDAS was the defendant, not SDS or even KU. But somehow, SDS and KU is guilty.
What was SDS going to do? Report the shoe companies and his guardian as corrupt snakes? It’s his guardian, which to a foreign national is much like a parent. Come on HEM, you’re being way too harsh. Also, didn’t SDS and his guardian in fact inadvertently report it by leaving Maryland and going to KU? Huge risks? If there was any wrong doing, why would KU risk “paying back” Under Armor? If KU in fact paid the Maryland debt, then it is KU, not SDS. If it is KU, we have a whole different problem.
But here’s another horrible reality. If SDS didn’t opt for KU, who would’ve known that SDS was in fact paid to attend Maryland by Under Armor? Please answer me that HEM. If KU is involved in providing payment, I’m horribly ashamed and will be completely embarrassed. But Emmerts has already said NO PROGRAM MENTIONED IN THE GRAND JURY WILL BE PUNISHED. But hell, let’s punish the kid. He should be playing right now until they find something. You say the NCAA is “for” the college athlete, yet SDS sits. While Zion Wiliamson’s name was brought up in the Grand Jury as demanding payment and still plays at PUKE, who is having arguably the best season of any team. Then Rat Face says the Puke lawyers and legal has cleared Williamson of any wrong doing? Really? The NCAA took their word? Yet Self sits SDS? Do you see the problem here HEM? I hope so, because I cant make it much clearer. You seem to be defending a “Not so Perfect Institution” who, in your words, will never be so. SO, you just destroyed your comment by assuming this is being handled by an “imperfect” system, yet KU is getting SCREWED by this “imperfect” institution. Why? Why is KU the only program getting the screws HEM? L’ville is the only other program and maybe St John that have paid a price. What about Zona? That went away and got swept under the rug. Also, Ayton finished out the year and played, UNBELIEVABLE. No consequences at all.
I don’t think anyone is trying to hide anything right now. But what I argue is simply a fair and thorough investigation of all programs, maybe the top 10-15 programs. You say the NCAA will never be perfect, but yet there is so much politics with other programs because of $$$$$$$$ that programs like Puke get passes everytime. You don’t get the #1 recruiting class 5-6 virtually consecutively years without something shady. By the way, guess who has the #1 incoming 2019 class? PUKE. Come on HEM open your eyes, you’re a smart bball fan. Stop trying to protect the game and symptoms of corruption and start addressing the real problem. The game is fine. It’s the programs and big companies that need punished, not the players.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Exactly. It’s like double jeopardy. Dang, how many times does the kid need to be cleared. GEESH.
Yet Zion gets cleared once and plays after being mentioned in the Grand Jury as demanding payment.
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@truehawk93 Really it’s a morals thing not NCAA. Duke vs KU. Makes it easy to see the good guys in this story. Unfortunately I don’t know that there will be a happy ending or any form of redemption.
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@dylans You can call it or claim it in the name of whatever is right and good, but as HEM so clearly stated in his response to me the NCAA is “theoretically” responsible for holding the “best interests” of the colleges and student athletes. However, in the same statement we can all unanimously agree the NCAA is “NOT PERFECT.” Yet, they are charged with keeping “best interests” in check?
What’s worse, the NCAA basically admits they are not capable of keeping “best interests” in check, so they hire the FBI. This means the FBI is the new NCAA. If the NCAA is so inadequate, incapable, and incompetent to care for the “best interests” of the NCAA and their athletes, maybe they should have a major overhaul, purpose, or responsibility. They sure can’t seem to tie their shoes at this point and it’s clear college sports are out of control.
Yet, the athlete suffers at the “rules” of the NCAA. Sorry, I don’t buy it. YES, you’re right dylans, it is IMMORAL and highly suspect at this point. So, they bring in the FBI and now Emmerts isn’t responsible for the findings. The big bad FBI takes the NCAA heat and responsibility. Emmerts saves the NCAA relationship with his money making programs, like Puke. There are no enemies, only victims…the student athletes.
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You can argue against the rules, but until they are changed it is what it is. Silvio or someone acting on Silvio’s behalf allegedly took money. Either he plays and is ruled ineligible later forcing KU to forfeit games as they cheated by playing an ineligible player. Or he sits and awaits his punishment, hopefully time served. Or he plays like Ayton at Arizona or Zion at Duke and the fans have a moral dilemma -or not depending on morals (I prefer less gray area).
Say you don’t agree with the pot laws in KS - it doesn’t make weed any more legal. Right or wrong it is the law(rule).
Unfortunately this is a situation that trying to do the right thing is excruciating painful as the NCAA won’t just rule. Just as likely the NCAA has made a ruling and KU is appealing trying to save the kids eligibility, eligibility that his guardian may have thrown away. Silvio is the unfortunate victim, but his camp may not be without fault. - the getaway driver at a bank heist gone wrong can be charged with murder too.
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Really the annoying part of the entire process is that it’s not transparent.
Not a peep from the NCAA.
And that’s ridiculous. That’s why there’s so much animosity in this thread. We are all in the dark, waiting, speculating.
None of us have any idea if Self is holding Silvio out because that’s what he feels he needs to do, or if the NCAA is behind the scenes hinting that he should do so. Self won’t tell us the whole truth.
It’s all about student athletes and their right to privacy?
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The difference I see between Silvio’s case and many others in regards to KU is that the only money given to Silvio(indirectly perhaps) was $2500 for online classes involving KU. The other money was given to his guardian to get him to go to a different school. That may leave KU guilty by association only for the 2500 which would be minor in comparison to the total paid out. I still would not take the chance to play him.
The fact Silvio allegedly went against his mentor leading him to go elsewhere (was it Maryland?) and him deciding to go to KU leads me to believe he wasn’t involved in the first payment. In the past I have assumed the player was in the know from the get go this time I have some doubt.
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Read ku sports.com sounds just like Preston. We are not pursuing it. Sounds like to me.
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Maybe I missed it… but is Maryland under the spotlight?
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drgnslayr said:
Maybe I missed it… but is Maryland under the spotlight?
Not that I’ve seen.
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HighEliteMajor said:
One important thing to remember is that the NCAA has not made us do anything with SDS. KU is choosing to sit SDS out of caution. It’s our choice. And that choice is made by folks with more info. The same ones that say Preston. And we now know some of that story.
Correct me if I’m wrong here. Isn’t this a joint eligibility review between KU/NCAA? I believe that was the official designation of this thing but its been a few months so I might need to refresh the exact details. Not that I think it matters but in the case of KU choosing to sit out SDS is it really their choice? I think it was the only choice KU had after the trial all things considered. Protect the goods (program, brand, Self etc). Too much money at stake to risk playing him right?
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jayhawkcsg said:
Really the annoying part of the entire process is that it’s not transparent.
Not a peep from the NCAA.
And that’s ridiculous. That’s why there’s so much animosity in this thread. We are all in the dark, waiting, speculating.
None of us have any idea if Self is holding Silvio out because that’s what he feels he needs to do, or if the NCAA is behind the scenes hinting that he should do so. Self won’t tell us the whole truth.
It’s all about student athletes and their right to privacy?
Great post. I believe the privacy laws prohibit both sides from talking while its on-going.
Transparency from the NCAA is fools gold. Just look at the rule book.
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Self said today there’s no movement on Silvio’s eligibility that would lead him to believe he plays anytime soon. Pretty much Nail in the Coffin at this point.
Says he “asks everyday” and the response is “working on it”.
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I won’t be surprised if SDS leaves and heads overseas like Billy did last year. There is no reason to sit on the bench and wast your time and talents. It is absolutely absurd that it has come to this, but I think SDS needs to at least be considering moving on.
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@BeddieKU23 who is working on it?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Bill said the school is working on it everyday, but he is not privy to that information.
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Woodrow said:
I won’t be surprised if SDS leaves and heads overseas like Billy did last year. There is no reason to sit on the bench and wast your time and talents. It is absolutely absurd that it has come to this, but I think SDS needs to at least be considering moving on.
As much as I think that’s a possibility Preston didn’t last long overseas, get drafted, or last long in the NBA for that matter. I think Silvio might be waiting to find out what his eligibility for next season would be before deciding on his future here.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 who is working on it?
Probably the same turds that worked on Diallo’s case.
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Woodrow said:
I won’t be surprised if SDS leaves and heads overseas like Billy did last year. There is no reason to sit on the bench and wast your time and talents. It is absolutely absurd that it has come to this, but I think SDS needs to at least be considering moving on.
I-have to agree with you - -I have been thinking this for awhile now. - - I really don’t understand why he still hangs around. - The only thing I can think of that some how some way that he knows he will be eligible and just waiting. - if we go through the entire season with no answer - he for sure will be gone - -eligible or no - -and I sure the hell don’t blame him
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Why would we think there is any chance he will play at this point? We lost a big and took a RS off a guard. We need the big more…and he will never get out of NCAA purgatory.
Well actually we need both, charlie is terrible!
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From the Athletic. For those that have full article may be able to elaborate.
Multiple sources have confirmed to The Athletic that Kansas is preparing to formally acknowledge to the NCAA that a violation took place, declare De Sousa ineligible and ask for his immediate reinstatement. The request is expected to be submitted to the NCAA’s Academic and Membership Affairs Group as early as this week.
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@BeddieKU23 Basically nothing more than that. Other than the penalty for $2500 payment is typically only 30% of a season. De Sousa has now missed 16 games.
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NCAA and Maryland didn’t find evidence of the 60,000
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So will this force the NCAA to action? Good grief why does KU have to make the dang NCAA get off it’s butt and do its job?!?
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I wouldn’t expect immediate action on the NCAA’s part unless they agree with what KU presents.
This report from the surface makes it seem KU held him out, did its own investigation and will give them the tools to re-instate him. They may have collaborated together so that KU doesn’t have to wait for the NCAA to say “we need more information”. A ruling could come quickly if that’s the case.
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The ruling of Miami’s Dewan Hernandez could be important here. A final appeal decision is due on his eligibility. Not that his or Silvio’s situation are the same but both involved money in different amounts and if the NCAA rules favorably or against Hernandez that could impact Silvio’s case
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I mean, we all know it was a violation and that penalties were likely coming. Might as well just admit to them, take whatever medicine is coming, and get our player back.
I think this also allows Silvio to get a Lawyer involved and usually when that happens, the NCAA tends to move a bit quicker.
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Took almost 3 months to get to this point… Further punishment would suck considering he’s sat 16 games already and will sit another at least.
Our rebounding woe’s would come to a hault awful quick if Silvio can enter the lineup.
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If I am understanding what Tait wrote it is that KU is now finally admitting a violation occurred, but they feel he has served enough time out and should be reinstated immediately.
I don’t want to get my hopes up, but damn SDS would help this team so much!
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@BeddieKU23 I firmly believe that adding another athlete turns this team back into a true title contender. Adding De Sousa would mean we will be able to move to a very solid 7 man rotation and have 5 athletes on the floor the entire game.
Just to refresh everyone’s memories, in games where he played 10 minutes or more, he averaged 8 points and 7 rebounds. He shot .681 and 2.8 offensive rebounds a game. Many of his advanced stats would be near the top of this team. His rebound percentage was 24% (Dedric who is a good rebounder is at 18%). De Sousa, if he improved any since last season, would likely be a major upgrade to Mitch, KJ and Big Dave.
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Let’s look at KU now … why are we just now prepared to formally acknowledge this? How about doing that at the same press conference where Self proclaimed himself free of any knowledge of third party inducements provided to our players? Conflicting narratives? I don’t know.
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Silvio is a difference maker in my opinion. We saw it with our own eyes last year as well. He’d certainly help us defensively on the glass and around the rim which where his two main strengths last year. Not getting my hopes up but there’s at least some hope we didn’t think was possible yesterday
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Maybe the guardian talked or they dug deep enough to find it out what happened?
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I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I firmly believe that adding another athlete turns this team back into a true title contender. Adding De Sousa would mean we will be able to move to a very solid 7 man rotation and have 5 athletes on the floor the entire game.
Just to refresh everyone’s memories, in games where he played 10 minutes or more, he averaged 8 points and 7 rebounds. He shot .681 and 2.8 offensive rebounds a game. Many of his advanced stats would be near the top of this team. His rebound percentage was 24% (Dedric who is a good rebounder is at 18%). De Sousa, if he improved any since last season, would likely be a major upgrade to Mitch, KJ and Big Dave.
Dotson, Vick, Grimes, Garrett, Agbaji, Dedric, Silvio. KJ as the 8th man.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
“Over the last three months, Kansas has been working directly with members of the NCAA’s enforcement division to investigate the matter and agree upon a set of facts"
This could be why.
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It makes a huge difference if he plays. He’s one of the best rebounding players in the country; 16.9 rebounds per 40 minutes as a freshman and a total rebounding percentage (TRB%) of 24.0. For comparison, Zion Williamson averages 14.6 rebounds per 40 minutes and has a TRB% of 18.4. Silvio also shot 68% from the field and 71.4% from the free throw line last season. He can run the floor and finish at the rim and he plays good defense.
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BeddieKU23 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
“Over the last three months, Kansas has been working directly with members of the NCAA’s enforcement division to investigate the matter and agree upon a set of facts"
This could be why.
If they’ve come to an agreement on a set of facts, is it wrong to think a decision should come quickly after Kansas submits a request for reinstatement?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Dotson, Vick, Garrett, Agbaji, Silvio line-up. Put the other team in the meat locker defensively.
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And… they investigated the 60,000. Clean.
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@Crimsonorblue22 - now that’s an interesting thought!
It is possible KU isn’t admitting guilt (i.e., didn’t know about the $2,500 at the time) but now has established it as fact. Thus asking for resolution?
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Admitting guilt on the 2,500
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Admitting guilt on the 2,500
Admitting KU knew or that Silvio and his guardian knew?
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I got the athletic for 7 days free. We could take turns.
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Admitting the guardian did it.
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Though Gassnola allegedly paid the money to De Sousa’s guardian without the player’s knowledge, he would still face a penalty because of the so-called “Cam Newton rule,” which was passed in 2012 and identifies a member of a player’s family as a de facto agent.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
vacated FF and B12. They will drag us through the mud I’d bet.
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Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
vacated FF and B12. They will drag us through the mud I’d bet.
I hope not.
