Free Chat here.
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Hope this motivates the team. Sky is not falling, but this was a messy loss.
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Fugly. Hopefully Grimes is getting in his groove. Earth to Vick. Earth to Vick.
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Rock Chalk, Shayok
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approxinfinity said:
Never have I welcomed the Bill Self rotation trimming more than right now. KJ and Moore shouldn’t see court before the outcome of a game is certain.
New rotation:
- Dotson - 40 minutes
- Grimes - 40 minutes
- Vick - 40 minutes if he’s hot, sub him out if he plays like an idiot. Sub Garrett
- Dedric - 40 minutes
- Doke - 30 minutes and sub Big Dave.
That’s it. 7 man.
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@approxinfinity excalty, they are completely a waste at this point. We maybe SDS to be successful this season and that may not happen.
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@Crimsonorblue22 The way we were playing defense - -the way we turned the ball over - wouldn’t of mattered - -Arizona State - - ya - -Today no way
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Shayok seems like a good kid
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Garrett needs to start over Vick and run point and let Dotson play off the ball. Dotson is better off the ball and Garrett is better when it’s in his hands running the show.
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Kcmatt7 said:
approxinfinity said:
Never have I welcomed the Bill Self rotation trimming more than right now. KJ and Moore shouldn’t see court before the outcome of a game is certain.
New rotation:
- Dotson - 40 minutes
- Grimes - 40 minutes
- Vick - 40 minutes if he’s hot, sub him out if he plays like an idiot. Sub Garrett
- Dedric - 40 minutes
- Doke - 30 minutes and sub Big Dave.
That’s it. 7 man.
I remember when we thought this team was deep.
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It’s funny. I thought we would be absolutely stacked.
We are not. We are thin. We do not shoot well.
Only positive today was Grimes. Except that for some reason he did something to piss Bill off and Self continues to put Moore in for him. Which is dumbfounding at this point.
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@Bwag me too
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@Kcmatt7 we don’t want any Mitch in that rotation?
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Taking Silvio and Doke out of this team too much to overcome.
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approxinfinity said:
@Kcmatt7 we don’t want any Mitch in that rotation?
Unplayable with a team that can’t shoot because he doesn’t look to score.
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We can’t afford Vick to turn into a vegetable. That’s the thing I struggle to believe we will overcome. When your lone deadeye is prone to bad decisions it’s a problem. Makes me think whenever he touches the ball he should be bombing and not looking to create. ? I don’t have the answer. Need to think about how we should be using him
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approxinfinity said:
We can’t afford Vick to turn into a vegetable. That’s the thing I struggle to believe we will overcome. When your lone deadeye is prone to bad decisions it’s a problem. Makes me think whenever he touches the ball he should be bombing and not looking to create. ?
He has 0 basketball IQ and all the talent in the world.
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@approxinfinity Vick has never been a dead eye shooter though. He’s always been streaky. Dotson is one that can be a dead eye shooter, but he needs to be off the ball more to get more open looks.
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NCAA should be sued for negligence. It should not take this long to look into the issue and make a ruling. Holding a school and a student-athlete in limbo indefinitely is either a sign of gross incompetence or of deliberate malfeasance. They should be called on it.
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@bskeet sadly if it was a Duke or UNC player the ruling would’ve been made months ago. Sometimes I hope the NCAA gets replaced at some point and isn’t so Biased, the ACC and SEC have been giving loop holes left and right year after year.
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Alabama and Clemson.
Nuff said.
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Bout the only positive thing today was seeing Q be aggressive and make some plays. Other than that, every step in AFH should hit my these guys for being lazy.
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We don’t have to look very hard at all for this . – - Vick - -7 turnovers - - -Lawson- -6 turnovers - - -& Dotson- -5 - - turnovers - = - -18 of our 24 turnovers - - + - 52% - - -3pt shooting- - -pretty easy not hard to figure out why the loss - - now who in here didn’t know they would Double every dam time Dedric down low when he touched the ball - -he needs to stop shooting the 3 – 17 % coming into this game
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I’m not sweating this game. We looked pretty crappy, played terrible, and got our ass handed to us. It’s January 5th, folks. We looked really bad at this time last year as well, and it worked out pretty good. No doubt we have a long way to go. I’m real excited to see Grimes play well. He was pretty much the only bright spot today. Hopefully Doke will feel good enough he’ll want to play for us at some point in the future, although I don’t think it would’ve helped much today. We live to fight another day.
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Ouch
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@approxinfinity it’s like Vick came back just for himself.
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I’ve been trying to think of a way to summarize that game and Self in his presser hit the nail on the head. Said they played very “immature”
Said veterans find a way to win. That’s clearly what this team is missing. We got so spoiled with Frank, D Graham, and Svi that as fans we took winning on the road for granted. Those guys were not only unbelievable players, but they bled Crimson and Blue and willed their teams to several wins. This team does not have that, and it is not something you can coach.
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@kjayhawks Agreed. Only positive was Q continuing to slowly look like the player we thought we was going to be.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Yes…Vick was unbelievably bad.
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@KUSTEVE Agree. This loss in and of itself does not hurt us. Losing on the road to one of the teams that will compete for the conference championship does not sink our ship. How we respond is what matters.
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KU all the way down to #11 in KenPom. After Duke and KU were way out in front of everyone to begin the year KU has been slipping. For good reason.
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kjayhawks said:
Bout the only positive thing today was seeing Q be aggressive and make some plays. Other than that, every step in AFH should hit my these guys for being lazy.
listening to post game - -and people saying it’s still early need to find leaders - -Honestly - -how many can truthfully that they can seeing us really improving THAT much? - -now keep it real - -this team is just not or can’t see it. - -Is there still people that think this team makes a deep run in the Tourney? - -Please convince me
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As bad as KU looked, I still don’t think ISU is a real threat to win the league. They don’t shoot that well and I think they’re 5th or 6th best in the league. I think Tech, OU, are all better right now and KSU with a healthy Wade is better. Not saying ISU is a bad team because I think they’re a tournament team this year, but they really didn’t impress me that much today. This game was much more about KU playing they’re worst game in years than ISU lighting them up.
I think the B12 is a 6, maybe 7 depending on Texas, bid league this year. I think Tech and KSU (with Wade) are built the best to make a deep run in the NCAA tournament this year, but I still think KU wins the regular season title. I’d put money on Tech in B12 tournament.
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@Woodrow cox didn’t show post game, did any players do interviews?
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@Crimsonorblue22 only quotes I saw were from Dedric and Bill.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Dedric and Quentin answered questions from the press.
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@jayballer73 I guess I would say that we beat both MSU and UT. Those are two good teams. We are capable of beating anyone. Will we in the tourney? Your guess is as good as mine.
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The loss really doesn’t mean a ton at this point, I’m fairly disappointed and have stated that several times lol but we know why we lost - poor shooting all around, turnovers and poor 3 point defense. All things that are able to be improved on, not to mention a far share of teams will lose in Hilton this year and on the road in general. I feel like the big 12 has the toughest venues as a whole to visit especially when you’re the top dog like we are.
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Kcmatt7 said:
approxinfinity said:
@Kcmatt7 we don’t want any Mitch in that rotation?
Unplayable with a team that can’t shoot because he doesn’t look to score.
Mitch is a bad offensive player overall. Quite passable defensively in the right spots.
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bskeet said:
Taking Silvio and Doke out of this team too much to overcome.
Yup.
Doke is so good and Silvio was really coming along.
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We need a leader, sure as heck isn’t Vick!
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I had to go to a dinner when we were up 29-27. Recorded the rest and just fast forwarded through the rest - wish I hadn’t. I know others are trying to find a silver lining and others saying its no big deal, but really… 24 turnovers against a team that doesn’t generally create a lot of turnovers? Vick accounting for 7??? Remarkable number for someone who isn’t the primary or even secondary ball handler? Losing to ISU at Hilton isn’t that unexpected, but to lose by 17? ISU hadn’t beaten anyway of note before today - had lost to the only two decent teams they had played (and AZ isn’t that good). Shot 30% from the 3pt line - unfortunately, that appears to be consistent with how this team has shot from distance all year. Is it realistic to expect significant improvement going forward? Where or who would it come from?
With regard to the conference, there is always an overreaction to early results and any number of commentators who say this is the year that the streak ends. But it is a true fact that TTU and ISU already have good conference road wins, so they definitely have an early leg up.
KU still owns one of the best, if not the best, collection of wins of any team so far. We can beat anyone on a given night. But, the flip side is probably also true. Increasingly, teams will surround Doke or Lawson and dare our perimeter guys to beat them. The risk for them is that maybe Vick has one of his hot games, but it seems like a winning strategy to me.
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Self needs to bench Vick. Send a message.
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@BShark that rebound! I guess he thought it magically was his?
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I’m watching Bragg
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KUSTEVE said:
I’m not sweating this game. We looked pretty crappy, played terrible, and got our ass handed to us. It’s January 5th, folks. We looked really bad at this time last year as well, and it worked out pretty good. No doubt we have a long way to go. I’m real excited to see Grimes play well. He was pretty much the only bright spot today. Hopefully Doke will feel good enough he’ll want to play for us at some point in the future, although I don’t think it would’ve helped much today. We live to fight another day.
Sounds good. - -I would sure like for someone to show me where this team has improved for the beginning of the year. – have they improved in their shooting ? - – -umm NOPE - - -have they improved in ball handling - - umm - -NOPE - - have they improved on the defensive end - -especially defending the 3 ? - - -umm NOPE - - have they established a leader on this team? - - - umm NOPE - -has Doke improved on his free throw shooting - - umm NOPE - - please someone - - -Anyone please tell me where THIS team has improved on ANYTHING since the beginning of the season. – I’ll wait go ahead I’ll wait - - they have improved on nothing - nothing since the beginning.
I had said this countless times - -that we have been playing with a loaded gun , most of the season - - borrowed time – house money - -we tonight we got a glimpse of what’s coming in the Big 12 play if something doesn’t change.
All I hear oh well it’s early - - it’s early - -people relax - -well that song has been sung out. - -Non Con - - is early - -this is no longer early , you wanna keep runnin with that - then I want to smoke some of that crap you hittin on - cause - -it’s go time whether you like it or not - -no more bullshit trying to twist things all around ke-ep trying to cover it up - -I mean this is real – it is what it is.
Who here didn’t realize from the get go that as soon as they found out to Doke was out - -how many didn’t know that they would be doubling Dedric every time he touch the ball? - -They KNEW they could cause we can’t shoot worth a tinkers dam from the outside period. - - - these guys better wake the hell up and understand it’s go time boys - -this is for real -stat playing - we have YET to see this team play a complete gam 10-20 minutes of decent ball isn’t gonna cut it - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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DCHawker said:
I had to go to a dinner when we were up 29-27. Recorded the rest and just fast forwarded through the rest - wish I hadn’t. I know others are trying to find a silver lining and others saying its no big deal, but really… 24 turnovers against a team that doesn’t generally create a lot of turnovers? Vick accounting for 7??? Remarkable number for someone who isn’t the primary or even secondary ball handler? Losing to ISU at Hilton isn’t that unexpected, but to lose by 17? ISU hadn’t beaten anyway of note before today - had lost to the only two decent teams they had played (and AZ isn’t that good). Shot 30% from the 3pt line - unfortunately, that appears to be consistent with how this team has shot from distance all year. Is it realistic to expect significant improvement going forward? Where or who would it come from?
With regard to the conference, there is always an overreaction to early results and any number of commentators who say this is the year that the streak ends. But it is a true fact that TTU and ISU already have good conference road wins, so they definitely have an early leg up.
KU still owns one of the best, if not the best, collection of wins of any team so far. We can beat anyone on a given night. But, the flip side is probably also true. Increasingly, teams will surround Doke or Lawson and dare our perimeter guys to beat them. The risk for them is that maybe Vick has one of his hot games, but it seems like a winning strategy to me.
THE thing is a lot of these turnovers were unforce turnovers - just reckless as hell - -when is the last time we have had a team that has had such turnover problems such as this?
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Went to my cousin’s wedding today; she gave me one heck of a present missing that turd of a game!
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My usual DVRd reaction:
— surprised we got smoked, but not surprised we lost. Thought that was a strong possibility at Hilton.
— I still think this team is like a bunch of furniture you buy at the thrift store — doesn’t quite go together.
— Vick is trying too hard to be something he is not.
— as usual, teams have career days beyond the arc against us. Some contested, most not.
— the defense was mostly an atrocity. So many open players everywhere — and our players standing around wondering why
— Grimes…hmmm. Upvote.
— Dotson needs to shoot more.
— I’m hard pressed to remain positive on Mitch and Moore.
— Dok would have destroyed that ISU defense
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@jayballer73 We still have to play the season out. I’m telling you that because you’re disgusted, and it doesn’t look like there would be any way to fix this hot mess. We’ve been here before, though. if we still look this bad in March, then we might have to stick a fork in us. but, it’s not like we haven’t been through this before. Remember when we went up to an unranked Temple team a few years back, and got beat by 25? How about those WVU beatdowns a few years back? Last year, we lost some games that were pure head scratchers. That loss by 15 to OSU was abysmal. Thank God for Devonte. This year, we need one or two players to stand up and start leading when the chips are down. Somebody on the team is hopefully really pissed about yesterday. Pissed enough to go off, and get these dudes to focus in, and start competing. I think it’s going be Devon, but I could be wrong.
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Leadership and toughness are two things that need figured out with this team , preferably soon.
