Statement from Girod and Long + Full Comments From Bill Self Presser
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@HighEliteMajor sadly, doesn’t look like many believe him. I still want too!
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Anybody read Mellingers article?
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@HighEliteMajor We have a basketball game tonight. We have a pretty good team. All of our transfers that you complained about last year are all now eligible to play. We have two 5 star freshman guards ( Dotson/Grimes) that are pretty good.We also got a big guy in the middle named Dave McCormick. BTW, LeGerald Vick came back for his senior year. Dedric Lawson was actually named to the pre season All American team.
God has a sense of humor, and it seems that he defies those of us who purport ourselves to be the most self righteous. I don’t mind being called a mindless Pollyanna one bit. I’m going to continue to root for KU, and Coach Self. As for the rest of this process, I’m going to allow it to play out, and if it comes out there were things that were done wrong, then I’ll feel bad. No sense in borrowing trouble. As for me, I’m going to enjoy some basketball tonight!
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I thought Bill chose specific wording. He is confident in how his staff operates. That is the best line of the day. Same things going on as always. They never discuss numbers with anyone. They may help find a parent housing, but they won’t know the details or the amounts of anything. They won’t “offer” anything. But maybe they have relationships built with good people.
This didn’t change the KU basketball program or college basketball.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Anybody read Mellingers article?
I did now…
WOOF.
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@Kcmatt7 I think the text reads differently. He didn’t leave room to wiggle.
Bill Self went all in - "When recruiting prospective student-athletes, my staff and I have not and do not offer improper inducements to them or their families to influence their college decisions, nor are we aware of any third-party involvement to do so."
The last part is obviously the most significant. He said “we.” So neither he, nor his staff, have any awareness of any “third party” offering “improper inducements … to influence their college decisions.” This is very broad. And it is very “all in.”
Again, I may be too nervous over this, but if the prosecutor has his eye on a prize, and he sees this statement, and perhaps he has a bit more evidence than came out in this recent trial …
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@HighEliteMajor I read it all as very vague. As long as he doesn’t know hard numbers he will always have plausible deniability.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I read Sam’s article. Typical stuff from the Star. I also saw a article from someone from Sports Illustrated that basically said that since Silvio has to sit out that Self should have to sit out as well. Of course it was retweeted and commented on by many media people agreeing with him.
Hopefully Self can do exactly as he said in his presser last night and block out all the noise and not let all of this become a distraction.
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Woodrow said:
@Crimsonorblue22 I read Sam’s article. Typical stuff from the Star. I also saw a article from someone from Sports Illustrated that basically said that since Silvio has to sit out that Self should have to sit out as well. Of course it was retweeted and commented on by many media people agreeing with him.
Hopefully Self can do exactly as he said in his presser last night and block out all the noise and not let all of this become a distraction.
That guy is a huge douche bag. Wrote a big conspiracy piece on the Patriots with no evidence at all and worked at the absolute trash rag Detroit FreeP before that so that really tells you all you need to know about him.
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@Kcmatt7 I guess it’s hard for me to see any vagueness in his statement. This is about as clear a denial as he could make.
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@HighEliteMajor I am getting nervous. Complete agreement with you and @JayHawkFanToo in the same week.
Maybe there is hope for our world after all. Or, maybe it is a sign of Doom…
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Seems like a direct denial of him or his staff having done or known of anything wrong doing. Where he leaves the door open is where everyone should - I don’t know what others (3rd parties) are doing behind our backs. Bill has a good track record when he finds out (or when it becomes public if you’re cynical)there is an issue, he’s always pulled a player with eligibility issues.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Bill Self went all in - "When recruiting prospective student-athletes, my staff and I have not and do not offer improper inducements to them or their families to influence their college decisions, nor are we aware of any third-party involvement to do so."
You know I still remain supportive of Bill. However, Bill isn’t “all in” unless he makes those statements under oath of a courtroom. Public statements do not carry a threat of perjury charges.
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dylans said:
Seems like a direct denial of him or his staff having done or known of anything wrong doing. Where he leaves the door open is where everyone should - I don’t know what others (3rd parties) are doing behind our backs. Bill has a good track record when he finds out (or when it becomes public if you’re cynical)there is an issue, he’s always pulled a player with eligibility issues.
Yes… this is where I feel some comfort with knowing a bit about how our compliance system works. It works all the way “backwards” through the recruiting process. So… coaches and staff advise “third parties” that they are required to report them if they slip up and tell them about unethical practices. At least, that is what I’ve been told.
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@HighEliteMajor Denial of one of him or his staff directly breaking NCAA rules or having evidence of him or his staff asking someone else to break the rules.
Plenty of room for winks and nods in this gray area.
Maybe Bill knows a landlord he can introduce a recruits parents to. Maybe that landlord is running a one time only special for this nice property in Lawrence. Maybe Bill knows the local Chevy dealer. And the Chevy dealer is offering a $5 down and no payments for 18 months lease on a Dodge Charger. Maybe Bill knows a guy who is looking for a new personal assistant to take care of his dog during the day. Maybe that job pays surprisingly well.
But of course, Bill didn’t ask that person to provide those benefits, so how in the world could he be “aware” they were offered some sort of deal?
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@Kcmatt7 I got a ton of confidence after reading Coach Self’s comments. He isn’t worried a bit. I loved the maturity he showed - this wasn’t a Stubby Miller shi* fit. At some point, we’ll know the story, and i am not going to condemn anyone until that time.
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@Kcmatt7 I really hate to belabor this. But his statement is unequivocal. There no room for winks or grey areas in the statement I quoted.
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@HighEliteMajor Ok that is fine if that is how you interpreted it.
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Self nailed the public relations piece yesterday. He needed to so he wins the day.
This wasn’t like Urban Meyer’s situation. I don’t think the media will be able to run wild with his press conference although some have attempted to.
Today we have a game so biz as usual
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Either the programs is squeaky clean or it has plausible deniability with many, many, many layers of separation/insulation from the actual money men that make it impossible to trace back to the program.
I guess at my age I have seen enough of this type of thing in all aspects of society and I have become somewhat of a cynic.
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Would Girod and long back Self if they weren’t 100% sure of his facts?
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Just getting a chance to listen to the whole thing. Self was very direct and basically begged for questions, give me your best shot type attitude is what I saw. Definitely impressed how he attacked this head on.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Just getting a chance to listen to the whole thing. Self was very direct and basically begged for questions, give me your best shot type attitude is what I saw. Definitely impressed how he attacked this head on.
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I was wanting opinions
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think they would back him no matter what unless he did something truly egregious. Look at what Urban Meyer did and Ohio St stood by him. Hall of fame coaches do not grow on trees. Think about the amount of money Self earns the school. There is no way they cut ties without unless they have too.
