CNN != Fox
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Don’t Worry Marco
@approxinfinity feels that you judge a person with no evidence. It doesn’t matter. As long as you accuse. that is all that matters.
It doesn’t matter that if all the people even the best friend of the accuser denied of any preparty meeting. It doesn’t matter that the second lady that claimed a rape changed her story on media, and that the ones she claimed were there. One is dead and another denied even knowing the accuser.
It doesn’t matter. All that matter is that you accuse.
Its the new Lib justice. Well until it’s one of their own. Then they’ll be singing a different tune. Look at Booker a Dem he admitted to sexual abuse. Yet he gets to judge others. Crazy.
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@justanotherfan exactly. There is no objectivity. I find this deeply depressing. Plenty of half baked nonsense masquerading as fact, or even rational opinion. Where are the rational conservatives? The ones that say what Justice Stevens said about Kavanaugh? Why cant I find more of that in real life?
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@mayjay I some how missed all that, and I follow pretty closely. My beef is that he had his head up MCCains, well I won’t go there given the new information.
I lost all respect for McCain with McCain-Feingold and his incumbent protection racket attack on 1A…and his stupidity to see the unintended consequences of that. I guess I pegged them then what now migt be called deep state tactics.
I always thought Graham had a failure of backbone after his role in the Clinton impeachment deal, when Republican Senators cut the legs out from under the House “prosecutors “, but that’s going back a ways.
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@justanotherfan thanks for the reference, I’ll take a look. I based my take more from commentariat versus an attempt at deep analysis. That said, I’m always wary of sources when it comes to putting people on a political scale.
For example, I put Nazis on the left with their related Socialist brethren. In that manner I ascribe more to libertarian model than the modern scholastic re-writers.
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@approxinfinity it’s true that the frontal lobe breaks down with age. Justice Stephens, God bless his doting soul.
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@approxinfinity is this the kind of rationality you want!
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@Bwag actually no, I said “rational conservative”, I know the concept may be hard to understand. Try again?
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@approxinfinity funny how you just dismiss that picture. There is shit like that all social media from nut job liberals.
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@Woodrow my previous post about this - https://kubuckets.com/topic/7864/kavanaugh/112
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Finding trolls on the left in response to my post does not justify the lack of rationality on the right, it confirms it.
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approxinfinity said:
@justanotherfan exactly. There is no objectivity. I find this deeply depressing. Plenty of half baked nonsense masquerading as fact, or even rational opinion. Where are the rational conservatives? The ones that say what Justice Stevens said about Kavanaugh? Why cant I find more of that in real life?
Objectivity? You have no evidence yet you presume our new supreme justice is guilty? Really?
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@DoubleDD I believe he should have been disqualified based upon temperament, partisanship, and lying about being of drinking age when he wasn’t and attempting to downplay the extent of his drinking. I stated so. But again you demonstrate that you don’t care what I individually think, you’ve lumped me into a group you can program your counterpoint against (see my link a few posts up).
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The former Washington, D.C. bureau chief for CNN ripped the media for its extreme bias, misreporting, and low standards as they joined the Democratic party in launching an all-out assault to stop Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh from being confirmed to the nation’s highest court.
The fact that your conservative “news” source Daily Wire ( est. 2015) claims that Sesno ripped the media for “standards as they joined the Democratic party in launching an all-out assault to stop Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh” is frankly misreported BS itself, as it is insinuating that Sesno stated this as opinion. I watched the piece and this was not close to his quote. So hungry are we for counterpoint that we eat up BS.
Can you call out this Daily Wire site for having low standards when in fact their standards are not for impartial news but rather weaponized information masquerading as fact?
I feel like a broken record.
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@approxinfinity I agree w/you. He lied about the definitions in his yearbook, boofing, Devil’s Triangle, and FFFFF. The way he talked to ms Klobuchar was so rude, I was really taken back. Have you ever blacked out? Was he suppose to question her? Was he the best we could do? They never released all his info and had a very limited investigation. How do you not find that he started a bar fight, in 6 investigations? A guy was treated in the ER. Did anyone read the letter he wrote to his cohorts to secure the beach rental house for beach week? Investigations found or didn’t find what they wanted. There were witnesses never contacted, why? I know why.
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approxinfinity said:
@DoubleDD I believe he should have been disqualified based upon temperament, partisanship, and lying about being of drinking age when he wasn’t and attempting to downplay the extent of his drinking. I stated so. But again you demonstrate that you don’t care what I individually think, you’ve lumped me into a group you can program your counterpoint against (see my link a few posts up).
I wish I could believe you. I really do. Yet you keep speaking of him as guilty. Even though evidence shows it’s not so. If you want to move the goal posts I’m cool, but I’m totally against ruining a persons life over one persons testimony. A testimony that even the accusers best friend won’t even confirm, and even denies. Please make me believe.
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@DoubleDD Oh I do think he did what he is accused of. And i think the investigation was artificially restricted. But thats not why I think he should be disqualified. I think the bar is even higher than “not having committed sexual assault” as to whether someone should be a justice on the highest court in the Judicial branch. Things like “not a partisan hack” and “not a belligerent d–k” and “not a liar” are the kinds of things I’m looking for.
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@DoubleDD here’s a comprehensive list regarding who said what about Kavanaugh: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/01/us/politics/kavanaugh-fbi-investigation-witnesses.html
Can we please stop with the one accuser/detractor fantasy? It’s infuriating. Pretending certain people don’t exist is not a good sign regarding how this Justice will rule.
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@DoubleDD Actually, the best friend doesn’t deny it; she just didn’t remember but had no reason to. She said she believes Ford. Four of Kav’s college friends (including his roommate), however, do not believe his testimony and expressly accused him of perjury.
You can decide you do not care what he is accused of perjuring himself about, but that doesn’t mean those who knew him best didn’t accuse him. Just be intellectually honest and admit that you think it doesn’t matter if he lied to the Senate about his drinking and his behavior while drinking.
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Speaking of moderate Republicans, Nikki Haley resigned today, unfortunately.
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https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1049284597031346176?s=21
They also ran a story on Kavanough throwing ice!
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@Woodrow Legitimate news is not fabricated based upon what “half the country is thinking”. The news is the news.
From a Fox News perspective of “the news as a weopon”, this guy’s comment begins to make more sense.
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@approxinfinity HAHA OK!! I hope liberal keep doing what they do. Let me know how that works out!
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Woodrow said:
https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1049284597031346176?s=21
They also ran a story on Kavanough throwing ice!
Throwing ice that sparked a bar fight where someone ended up in the hospital and someone else went to jail.
Kavanaugh showed his temper and character in his hearing when he started yelling at Democratic senators. Last month, some on this board mocked Serena Williams for being a loser and throwing a tantrum at the US Open when she yelled at an umpire.
Oh wait, that was you. Hmmm…
Guess tantrums are okay for SCOTUS justices, but not for pro tennis players. Noted.
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justanotherfan said:
Woodrow said:
https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1049284597031346176?s=21
They also ran a story on Kavanough throwing ice!
Throwing ice that sparked a bar fight where someone ended up in the hospital and someone else went to jail.
Kavanaugh showed his temper and character in his hearing when he started yelling at Democratic senators. Last month, some on this board mocked Serena Williams for being a loser and throwing a tantrum at the US Open when she yelled at an umpire.
Oh wait, that was you. Hmmm…
Guess tantrums are okay for SCOTUS justices, but not for pro tennis players. Noted.
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@justanotherfan Wait… You think these two are the same thing?
If so then it’s not really worth my time responding but I will.
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Yes, I think it’s worse to spark a bar fight than yell at a referee/umpire as a competitor during a sporting event.
Yes, I think it’s worse for a federal judge to yell at Senators during a Senate hearing than it is for a competitor in a sporting event to yell at a referee/umpire.
Perhaps we differ on that. If so, you are obviously entitled to your own opinion on that.
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When actions result in a bloody head and an ER trip, there is no comparison. There could have been charges. Funny how that wasn’t found in ALL those investigations.
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I think it is funny that people are acting like if they were in the same position as Kanvanaugh they would just sit there and be calm. Is that the ideal situation sure. However, when people are attacking you and everything you have worked your entire life for then sometimes emotions get the best of you. That is life. I am going to go out on a limb and say that has happened to everyone. Obviously not on this platform or scale but it is human nature. It is just another example of liberals nitpicking every little thing. As I said keep doing what you are doing and let me know how it works out. See last election.
As for Serena it is not remotely even close to the same situation. 99% of the people in sports agree she was getting her ass kicked and threw a tantrum. These two things are not even in the same realm of being connected. Keep reaching.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
When actions result in a bloody head and an ER trip, there is no comparison. There could have been charges. Funny how that wasn’t found in ALL those investigations.
There could have been charges but there was no probable cause.
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@approxinfinity I feel like she was a bright light in the White House. She was stable! She could tell trump what to do.
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@Woodrow not if you want to be on the highest court. You can’t attack other people who are not attacking you. She was calm and he side stepped her questions.
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You always seem to indicate than when any non-liberal source publishes something it is misrepresenting facts but when CNN or other liberal publications do it they are telling the truth even when CNN has had to walk back or correct stories numerous times recently because they were misrepresented or incorrectly reported. Your double standard is dizzying, to say the least.
Now, you say that Kavanaugh should not be confirmed because of his temperament…let me ask you this, if you are ever in a position like Kavanaugh and someone from your HS days makes an unfounded and unverifiable accusation that you know is not true, how upset would you be and how hard would you defend yourself? I don’t know about you abut I would defend myself vigorously.
Now, here is another that you can judge for yourself that explains the entire fiasco. There is a link to the recording so you don’t have to believe me or rely on anyone else misreporting. I can almost predict your answer will be…do you believe me or your lying ears?
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Woodrow said:
I think it is funny that people are acting like if they were in the same position as Kanvanaugh they would just sit there and be calm. Is that the ideal situation sure. However, when people are attacking you and everything you have worked your entire life for then sometimes emotions get the best of you. That is life. I am going to go out on a limb and say that has happened to everyone. Obviously not on this platform or scale but it is human nature. It is just another example of liberals nitpicking every little thing. As I said keep doing what you are doing and let me know how it works out. See last election.
As for Serena it is not remotely even close to the same situation. 99% of the people in sports agree she was getting her ass kicked and threw a tantrum. These two things are not even in the same realm of being connected. Keep reaching.
If I get stopped by the police and falsely accused, you better believe I am expected to maintain my composure, even though my livelihood and freedom would be in jeopardy if I am wrongly accused of a crime.
Judge Kavanaugh was not in jeopardy of going to jail because the statute of limitations was up. He wasn’t even necessarily in a position to lose his current federal judgeship. The only question was whether or not he would be elevated to the Supreme Court, and he lost his composure.
So YES, I absolutely expect him to maintain his composure, particularly as a professional with DAYS to prepare (this was not in the heat of the moment). He knew he was going to be in that hearing and he could have (and should have) chosen his words and decorum to fit that situation. That is what is expected from people within the legal profession, and as someone being elevated to the highest court in the land, that is an automatic expectation.
I would bet he would not find it acceptable for a defendant to come into the Supreme Court yelling at the justices even if they were falsely accused and were appealing. They would be expected (and required) to maintain an appropriate level of decorum while in the courtroom, REGARDLESS of what they were accused of. I have seen people physically removed from hearings for behaving the way Judge Kavanaugh did.
We should not expect less of a SCOTUS justice.
He’s on the court now, so it is irrelevant as to whether he conducted himself appropriately in his hearing. But it does very clearly show a double standard that you are applying, unless you think it is appropriate for defendants to scream at prosecutors and judges in the courtroom when they actually are on trial for their freedom and livelihood.
If so, as I said before, we disagree on that point, but you would not be applying a double standard, so you would be consistent in that respect, which is understandable at least.
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He’s a JUDGE. He had time to PREPARE. Instead he put on his clown shoes and danced for Trump. Embarrassing tbh. He got pushed through as expected and the SC is the worst it has ever been. So yay! GOP party!*
*And yes, Dems helped.
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@JayHawkFanToo you can’t attack another person like he did! If the senators didn’t tell him to apologize after the break, he probably wouldn’t have. He lost votes over that and did cause an investigation, although that was a sham too.
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Yep. Every investigation that clears Kavanaugh is a sham. Got it.
If the FBI investigation was such a sham, why is it the Senator Feinstein wanted it classified so no one else would see it?
Now, if your husband or one of your kids is ever in a similar situation where an uncorroborated, very serious, 35 year old allegation is brought up against him and that you all know to be false, what would you advice them to do? Sit there like potted plant and take the savage attack or fight vigorously to clear his reputation and good name? I don’t know what is in your heart or mind so I don’t pretend to know what you would do…I only know what I would do. Are you familiar with the “A sack full of feathers” story? This is exactly what happened and regardless of how many investigations clear him, Kvanaugh’s name will forever be tarnished.
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@JayHawkFanToo I don’t see how any of us could “know” what our spouses did or did not do years before we met.
I’m still waiting for any evidence of fabrication by Dr Ford, since the post-vote narrative has advanced from “compelling but not corroborated” all the way to “hoax” in The Great Leader’s estimation. And his opinion is all that matters to the deplorables, as witnessed by his own ability to deflect the accusations against him by over 15 women. Of course, his lies don’t matter.
I remember Republicans were all in a lather about trying to discover $100,000 in alleged “parked trading” by Hillary in the 90’s. I even got to spend a half week combing through over 20,000 pages of commodity documents to respond to Senator Faircloth of NC, without finding her name once. Yet pretty extensively documented hundreds of millions in tax cheating by Trump Capone doesn’t even raise an eyebrow. And then there is the evil of lying about Lewinsky, regarding which Kavanaugh scripted for Starr two dozen explicit questions to ask Clinton seeking to discover precisely how many penetrations occurred in the oval office. Meanwhile, Trump lies about affairs, lies about hush money, lies about his own words in a videotaped interview, etc. etc. etc.
Just admit it: if it’s a Republican, you don’t give a shit.
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@mayjay hey, who you calling a ho?! Just kidding
You corrected the typo. Haha
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@approxinfinity Sorry, fixed the one I saw before seeing yours!
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@approxinfinity Things move fast around here. Who can keep up?!!!
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@JayHawkFanToo my husband died at a young age and my boys aren’t that old. I can tell you that they would never ever talk to a lady that way. They would never write those sexual terms down anywhere for people to see. If they were under oath they wouldn’t lie about those sexual terms. It seems like the whole world knew those words, 'cept @mayjay and me. They are not rich frat boys that have had everything handed to them. No beach weeks! They are far from perfect, but they respect other people. If there is an investigation we do have lots of witnesses, I hope they talk to them!
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You have got ot admit that professor Blasey Ford stretches the limits of credibility to a point where her entire testimony is suspect.
Her story has changed repeatedly to fit the new information available and no one dares call the proverbial “the emperor has no clothes” for fear of being labeled anti-women or as the hosts from the show The View called anyone that doubts her story a racist…really? racist?
Just about every detail of her testimony has changed starting from the assertion that it happened in the mid 80s when she was in her late teens to 1982 when she was 15 when she realized Kavanaugh would have been in college at the time. She does not remember how she got there or how she got home and apparently left her best friend with men that allegedly tried to rape her; this defies logic. Back then there were no cell phones and she has no explanation whatsoever. The Bethesday Chevy Chase area is very large and you generally cannot walk from one place to another.
I don’t know if you are familiar with Bethesda- Chevy Chase area. My family moved to Bethesda in 1971 and stayed there until the late 90s when they sold the house. I personally lived in Bethesda during the early 70s and I am very familiar with the area and the prep school environment having my sister attended Ursuline Academy (now closed) in Bethesda in the late 70s early 80s and my younger brother went to St John’s College HS in Washington DC in the early 80s or right around the time of the alleged incident; all my nephews attended Gonzaga HS in DC and DeMatha HS. While these are very exclusive schools, they don’t even come close to Holton Arms which is the most expensive women’s prep school in the DC area with a tuition of $54K per year and whose famous alumni include Susan Ford, daughter of then President Ford who was famous (or infamous) for being rude to her secret service detail and continuously sent them on fast food runs; it is even more expensive than Sidwell Friends HS (where the Obama kids went). The only prep school more expensive is St. Albans (where Al Gore went) which has a tuition of over $60k per year. So, this is not like she was a girl from the wrong side of the tracks that was groped by a rich kid and could not get justice. If you attend Holton Arms, your parents are loaded and I mean LOADED and extremely well connected otherwise you just don’t get in.
The polygraph that you cited early is a joke by any standard. She was asked to hand write a statement which she changed several times crossing numbers and fact and replacing with others. The two questions asked were:
- Did you write that statement?
- Do you believe it to be true?
Really? That is it? No probative questions that would determine the veracity or lack thereof of her allegations were asked; she does not even remember if the process was being video taped. The favorable treatment by the rent-a-polygrapher made they referees calling Duke game look like pikers.
The boyfriend she dated for 6 years indicated she did not have any fear of flying and even flew small propeller planes for travel around the world. He also indicated that she never mentioned any thing about the alleged assault and also indicated she coached a friend on how to pass polygraphs. Se has co-authored a paper on retrieving memories using hypnoses, an area that is highly controversial and known to be extremely unreliable.
As far as her alleged post traumatic issues, she never had any while finish her last two years in high school and conveniently showed up years later in college. Here therapist notes which she shared with Washington Post but would not share with the Senate show different key details than those in her story. She indicated that in 2012 she wanted to install a second door for security due to her ongoing issues but permit records from her home town showed that the remodeling permit was issued in 2008 and the second door was designed to give separate access to an area of the house she wanted to rent. So much for that.
Also, her friend that would not corroborate her story was contacted by her attorneys and pressured to change her testimony and the most she did was to indicate that as a friend, she believed that something might have happened to her at some place in time but would still not corroborate the party in question and still denied even knowing Kavanaugh, let alone being in a very small party with him
Here is a nice summary in USA Today, by no means a conservative publication.
All the information cited above can be easily verified via google search.
As an attorney you must be dismayed when now the accuser is to be believed and the accused is presumed to be guilty and it is the job of the accused to prove a negative, something that cannot be done. This is not how it is supposed to work.
BTW, Blasey Ford has now indicated she is stopping all proceeding and does not want Kavanaugh impeached or removed, WOW.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@JayHawkFanToo my husband died at a young age and my boys aren’t that old. I can tell you that they would never ever talk to a lady that way. They would never write those sexual terms down anywhere for people to see. If they were under oath they wouldn’t lie about those sexual terms. It seems like the whole world knew those words, 'cept @mayjay and me. They are not rich frat boys that have had everything handed to them. No beach weeks! They are far from perfect, but they respect other people. If there is an investigation we do have lots of witnesses, I hope they talk to them!
I am sorry about your husband but you missed my point. I was just using an example that could happen to any man in today’s environment.
Like I said, what do you think you would do if 20 or 30 years from now someone makes allegations about one of you kids when you know they are not capable of that and never have been before…because you know how they were raised. Would you tell them to not defend themselves?
As far as words on yearbook is nothing more than non-sense. I chose not to be in my HS or College yearbook because a lot of what was written, particularly in HS, was pure nonsensical braggadocio and I found it to be silly and I wanted no part of it.
People that act that way towards women do not stop and every woman that has worked for him has supported him and indicated they have never see him be anything other than a perfect gentleman. This does not match at all the image of Kavanaugh that they expect us to believe.
As far as being rich frat boys, read my post to @mayjay. She attended the most exclusive women’s HS in the Washington DC area just like Kavanaugh and as far as having everything handed to him, finishing at the top of his class in HS and College is not something that was handed out to him, it is something that he worked hard to achieve, particularly at a top Ivy League school.
I just don’t get why people want to destroy somebody’s career and reputation just because he was appointed by Trump. Sotomayor and Kegan are a lot farther to the left than Kavanaugh is to the right and while many republicans did not vote for them, they did it for ideological reasons and did not try to personally destroy them either.
Look at this video to get a different perspective along the lines of what I was talking.
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@JayHawkFanToo you missed my point! He lied! My kids wouldn’t under oath! That nonsense you speak of, he lied about, under oath, so stop talking to me about it!
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@JayHawkFanToo you missed my point! He lied! My kids wouldn’t under oath! That nonsense you speak of, he lied about, under oath, so stop talking to me about it!
With all due respect, that is your opinion and mine is different and what you call non-sense, some of us call it facts. Again, read my post to @mayjay and read the link I provided, she has lied and lied and lied…pardon me…her recollection has changed…when new information became available that did not fit her original or even the modified narrative and yet I don’t hear a peep about it from you. Selective indignation much?
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@JayHawkFanToo selective? You never say anything about HIS lies, he is the one trying to get a job. You called it nonsense!
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@JayHawkFanToo selective? You never say anything about HIS lies, he is the one trying to get a job. You called it nonsense!
I am not sure what your HS or college experience was but my friends and I, at both places, had a number of expressions that were unique to our group and unless you were familiar with how the expression originated you would not know what we were talking about. I can give you a number of examples and some of them are something we would not mention in mixed company, only among ourselves. As free spirited as we were in the 70s and 80s we were still respectful of women.
Here is an example we are all familiar. Jaybate used to post all this empty posts with only the words “back fill” until it was pointed out to him what the slang meaning of the word was. I honestly do not think he intended it that way but it happened.
So, at least Kavanoaugh seems to have a somewhat plausible explanation for those 3 word that you seem to obsess over; however, you don’t seem at all concerned about all the…shall we say “discrepancies” in her testimony. There is plenty of evidence to prove that she flat out lied in her testimony.
You seem to think that women are incapable of lying or filing false charges but it happens a lot more often than you think, particularly since the federal government has made extremely difficult for an accuser to defend himself against these allegations in college campuses. Here is a link that provide some details, here is a another.
Frankly, her whole story has come unglued and in many ways she is as much a victim of the liberals as Kavanaugh was.
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Crims probably wasn’t from an area with a RAPE CULTURE at parties, I’ll bet that much.
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Lol on plausible explanation! Did you know twice as many rapes were reported last year as the year before on the KU campus. But you are in luck, DeVoss has a new policy that would bolster the rights of students accused of assault, harassment or rape. Feel better, mr always right, no matter how you treat other people? Leave me alone.
