FIBU U18 Self/Manning/Grimes
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Just watched the replay. A couple observations: -Grimes is going to be really good. He’s way more advanced than almost anyone on the court. I’ll be curious to see how his game translates against better athletes in college. Well-deserved MVP though. -Hurt and JRE are almost must-gets. Hurt is so skilled, and a better defender than I thought. He’s a ways away, but will be a really good college player. JRE is coldly efficient and had a great motor. He and Hurt would be great complements. Honestly, Hurt/McCormack/JRE would be the best frontcourt in the country, and that’s not even including Silvio. -I want Cole Anthony baaaad. He’s as most complete a guard as I’ve seen in awhile. No idea if we have a shot at getting him (sounds like it’s a pretty locked down deal so far), but he and Dotson would be dirty. -There are a few under the radar types that impressed me: Watts and Josiah James especially. James reminds me of Marcus Garrett somewhat. -What happened to bigs? This team was pretty thin up front. How are Bacot and Hepa ranked that high? -Another reminder of how good Self is. USA wasn’t great for awhile, then found another gear late. He’s probably the best at maximizing talent.
Yeah I was not impressed with Hepa. Also by going to Texas he didn’t exactly pick a great coach to help out his offensive game.
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@BShark I think they play really well together and as odd as it may sound at this point actually looked like they were having fun working together on the floor - -both were making some sweet passes. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Just look at this guy play. He has elements of Brandon Rush, Josh Jackson, Mario Chalmers, Russ Robb, and shoots a 3 pointer like Svi. NBA All- Star potential caliber, in my books. just look at the way he gets after people defensively- he slaps the ball away, and is off to the races. His handles are so good, he could play point guard. His drives to the basket remind me of JJ. I think we got our 3 point shooter:
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@KUSTEVE Grimes had a great tournament but his three point shot was off. Tbf it is from longer range than the college line plus so many games in a short span but still 6/25 is just not good.
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@KUSTEVE Grimes is not a great shooter. That’s by far the weakest part of his game at this point and he’ll be in the NBA before his long range shot develops. I’m expecting him to be somewhere around 35-37% season which is decent at best.
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Grimes looks really good, if he can improve his 3 point shooting, he’s a star in the making. I think we can all agree the 3 ball is most likely the biggest question mark going into next season. Dotson, Grimes and Garrett all need to improve in that area, the good news they’ll have the summer and fall to make progress.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I watched the highlights- I didn’t watch the games. All I saw were 3 point swishes, then I read this morning he only went 6 for 25 from 3, so…maybe he’s not the 3 point answer I had hoped for. If he can shoot 35% from 3, the rest of his game will carry him.
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Over 200 attempts this year in HS he shot 39%.
Will 6 games tell the story on his shooting? Unlikely I think.
I’ve seen some question his mechanics or effectiveness from shot to shot. Something the staff can address this summer. His shot looks good off the dribble from what I saw.
If he’s here just one year and that looks very likely we’ll see. Svi didn’t set the world on fire in year one for recent example but the comp isn’t apples to apples. I believe Grimes is a good shooter and will have every opportunity to showcase such.
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@BeddieKU23 If he could hit 39%, I’d be jumping for joy. i think he’ll definitely get some good looks with our offense…teams are going to have to try to stop us inside, which should open things up on the perimeter.
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Just to follow up a bit. He might not be the “sharpshooter” we have become accustomed to with Svi, Graham, Mason etc. Maybe he’s more along Vick/Selden where he has games he’s red hot but his averages are inconsistent sometimes.
I do know one thing watching his games he’s going to impact the game in so many ways.
He is the secondary ballhandler any coach dreams of having, he’s a heck of an athlete, passing-vision, rebounding, and size for the 2 guard position will cause fits to most teams trying to guard him. He’s not a finished product but heck I don’t know if we’ve signed a guard as ready as he is to compete and impact the game.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I don’t know if we’ve signed a guard as ready as he is to compete and impact the game.
JJ and Wiggins. But other than that…and of course Grimes is much more of a guard than those two.
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@BeddieKU23 39% in HS isn’t great. That likely translates to 35-37% at best in college
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Definitely those guys were wings in KU’s system which you noted. A few extra weeks of coaching from Self can’t hurt him at all once he gets into Lawrence
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Or could translate to 41-43%, goes both ways
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@BeddieKU23 How many players increase their shooting % when transitioning to a deeper 3 point line?
His outside shooting in Canada does not bode well for Grimes shooting a higher % than he did in HS next season.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BeddieKU23 How many players increase their shooting % when transitioning to a deeper 3 point line?
His outside shooting in Canada does not bode well for Grimes shooting a higher % than he did in HS next season.
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No idea. HS stats are not as widely available to compare. Grimes stats were available, Dotson’s were not for example.
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If you think 6 games tells the story on what his shooting will be for KU, that’s your opinion to have. Outside shooting for this team has already been singled out by our coach as the biggest question mark.
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It’s all but impossible to compare HS and potential college 3 point percentage. The lines are different, the competition is different, and the style of play is different. Grimes could shoot better in college since he’ll have a bunch of open looks, or the deeper line could cause him some problems.
I’m concerned because he doesn’t appear to be a natural shooter. He’s never been a great FT shooter, which tells you the best story.
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Good point, his FT % is of concern.
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His shot selection got better and his shot % went up as the week progressed. I thought.
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@KUSTEVE Man it’s about time you showed back up. I was asking the crew the other day where you had vanished to. I was just about ready to get the FBI involved - let them work on something that they AHOULD be concerned with other then Basketball lol. - Was getting ready to send out and Silver alert lol. - -good to see you back. - What? - did Granny feed you a bad batch of vettles? - -you get ahold of one of Ellie mays critters – lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Shooting is a skill … it is a practiced art. The predictions of what someone will shoot in college based on what they shot in high school is always going to be wrong. I have made a fantasy baseball career out of picking break outs based on ignoring assumptions from prognosticators that don’t have the ability to account for progression of the skill set. When the best predictions in fantasy baseball had Yonder Alonso hitting 7 hrs as a projection last year, I knew they were way off, because Yonder had changed his approach, and was blasting out hrs in spring training. Something changed…Yonder started hitting way more fly balls, and he starting racking up some big power numbers.
Devonte did not walk on campus hitting 40% from 3. Neither did Svi. Maybe Grimes only hits 33%…maybe he comes in as a 37%. Or maybe working with coach, and Mr. Townsend and company will allow him to nudge that 3 point shot closer to 40%.
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@jayballer73 Hey buddy…are you ready to see the best KU team since 2008? Our cup runneth over…
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 Hey buddy…are you ready to see the best KU team since 2008? Our cup runneth over…
I am SOOOOOOOOO ready. - -our frontcourt this year is going to just be insane I think. - Plus if it turns out Silvio is eligible - - - look out. Who can match up with us in the front court? - -so many different combinations - - - -different ways to play with our front court - -the Depth is certainly deep. - Just trying to get through this dam boring spring/summer time. - Ready to hoop - -let’s do this. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 Hey buddy…are you ready to see the best KU team since 2008? Our cup runneth over…
Self has some pieces, that’s for sure…
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@jayballer73 I’m thinking about that game against Tucky. We should be full bore by then( February). 2nd straight win in Rupp…it will be quite a show we’ll put on. I remember all the hell Self went through last year because of our lack of depth, so this year we get to punch that ticket. Now, probably some growing pains from our front court at first, but Grimes and Dotson add so much team speed, some of that can be mitigated right away. I see them making up for dumb mistakes with steals and run outs quite a bit.
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Dotson looks like the fastest guard Self has ever had at KU w/ the ball.
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How fast can Doke play? How fast can Big Dave play?
KU has a lot of guys that would benefit from getting up and down, and a couple that may be more adept when the pace slows a bit. That could mean that KU can play either way, or it could mean that KU has to slow down the pace when they have certain lineups on the floor. It’s too early in the summer to be able to tell how that will work just yet, but we should be able to tell fairly quickly, probably even during the exhibitions against the D2 schools in the fall.
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@justanotherfan Doke is definitely a plodder. I think Dave can get up and down a bit. Hoping Silvio can play (but not expecting it).
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@KUSTEVE Oh I agree. - -We may actually take a lump or two early. again I say MAYBE. - -not only because of the front court but as a overall of the team - -still some youth - gonna take an transition period from high school AAU ball to P-5 ball. Some of those moves you got away with in High School isn’t gonna work here always an adjustment t a certain degree.
One of the reasons I was on Dotson’s bandwagon so early last year was I love his speed the kid is a blurr at times and loves to go to the hole and contact if need be. - I know this might sound silly, but to me is just another freshman version of Frank - a bull dog type - needs to work on hias out side J but still. - just plain and simple I love what we got.
Then I think our secret weapon people might not be giving enough attention to - - not here I’m not saying that but outsiders? - is are you ready? - Who I think is going to jump up and bite some people in the ass? - - - McCormack that who. - -The kid is big and physical - sweet body classic 5 man loves to play the 5 loves being down low - -rugged - -watch - - mark my words I tell ya what - -by the middle , end of the season. I bet people know who David McCormack is by then. - Can you imagine him and Silvio the specimen Silvio is - -them two together - - HOLY BAT SHIT- - BATMAN - -look the hell out. - -good to see you back bud - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
Dotson looks like the fastest guard Self has ever had at KU w/ the ball.
I think so , he is quick - - -really quick
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Sherron and Tyshawn were pretty dang fast too.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Sherron and Tyshawn were pretty dang fast too.
Yeah, that’s what makes Dotson so special. Pretty sure he is faster.
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Don’t they time them at boot camp? Will find out soon enough…
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@jayballer73 McCormack is going to be hard to keep off the floor. I have zero clue how he is going to distribute minutes with this roster. So much depth and talent…it’s pretty amazing.
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@JayHawkFanToo If he’s as fast as those guys, he’s in real good company. I thought Grimes looked exceptionally fast for his size, too.
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Grimes is the one that sticks out to me as a really special player. He will be a 2 guard in college, but he’s a PG in the pros. He has the passing ability to handle that responsibility. He should be a star in college, and transition to the NBA as a star at that level as well.
The reason that I am so high on Grimes is that he doesn’t have a significant flaw to his game coming out of HS. Rush was not a strong ball handler, which always limited what he was able to do, both in college and in the NBA. Jackson has an unreliable jump shot, which makes it hard for him to tap into the top of his potential. Embiid was very raw. Wiggins didn’t have the mindset. Grimes is one of the best ball handlers Self has had (he compares to some of the better PGs Self has brought to KU) and his shot is about where Devonte was at as an incoming freshman, although we will see Grimes shoot it more than we saw Devonte do so as a freshman. He’s not nearly as raw as Embiid and he definitely has that attacking mindset to be the best player on the floor every night.
He will be fun to watch for a year.
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BShark said:
Dotson looks like the fastest guard Self has ever had at KU w/ the ball.
Can he make bunnies?
