Draft Declarations Thread
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It would be very helpful to Doke if he could get some feedback not just from the NBA, but from teams overseas. He could probably make a decent amount playing overseas at his size. Not millions, but hundreds of thousands. It is a bit difficult that he cannot consult with an agent about those options without forfeiting his eligibility, as that would be very helpful in his decision making. Most NBA folks aren’t connected enough with the international basketball scene to give quality advice on what other leagues may be interested in with a player like Doke. Doke may be even more valuable overseas because of the fact that he isn’t a guy likely to be poached by the NBA in a few years.
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@nuleafjhawk Man! How can you be mad at Paul?? One of the best all time Jayhawks. Period. He went to the League and was a multi time All Star. He never forgot KU and his roots there. I could go on and on here. Paul will always be a Jayhawk. That 97 team he was on was so dominant a case could be made that it was the best team KU fielded ever in its history. They ran into some terrible luck against AZ, shoulda gotten an NC that year. That’s the way the ball bounces sometimes tho. Kind of like how Duke’s shot rimmed out at the last second and we go to the Final Four this year in an unprecedented run.
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The coaching staf has great connection with the pro scouts and NBA teams and they get the information and relay it to the player and advise him on whether to go or stay. Markieff has not really planned on leaving with Marcus but the staff told him he would be a lottery pick and off he went.
So, while an agent can contact teams and get specific offers, the coaching staff can get him pretty good information about the overall interest by pro teams.
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For NBA stuff, that is absolutely true, but Doke’s best opportunities probably lie overseas. Without connections to the international agents and scouts, Doke isn’t getting all of the best advice for his unique situation.
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Times have changed. There are many scouting agencies like this one that scout American and International players for NBA and overseas teams and they are in contact with American college programs scouting players for potential international teams. KU staff has information not only on NBA but also international potential destinations; this is part of the service they sell to prospects parents, the ability to provide complete scouting reports including overseas opportunities.
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@Lulufulu One thing you probably need to know about me bro (or sis) - I use hyperbole and sarcasm a lot. Almost exclusively.
Love Paul. Would have loved him a tiny bit more if he had stayed one more year. No big deal.
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Wendell Carter breaks his momma’s heart. NBA with Agent. Duke’s entire starting 5 gone
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Wagner from Michigan to no surprise declares with Agent
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@BeddieKU23 that team has less than no depth now.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 that team has less than no depth now.
Don’t tell Duke fans that, they are loaded beyond comprehension
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@BeddieKU23 Lol I feel another zone coming.
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Wagner and Carter both sure took awhile. Not sure what the wait was for lol.
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Has Duke replaced UK as the preferred destination of OADs?
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BShark said:
Wagner and Carter both sure took awhile. Not sure what the wait was for lol.
Same with the Kentucky kids who haven’t made up their mind
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Has Duke replaced UK as the preferred destination of OADs?
Definitely. Or running side by side for it. Hasn’t helped them win titles the past few
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I am 100% ok with UK and Duke taking OADs and having absolutely no depth or experience to go with it. Go ahead and mark them down for an elite 8 flameout.
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In the last 15 years UConn has 3 titles, UNC has 3 titles, Duke has 2 titles, one gifted to them by the refs and KU and KU have 1 tiltle each.
Considering the huge talent gap between UK and Duke versus the rest of the field, both programs have underachieved big time.
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Winning the national championship is legitimately difficult.
It takes a perfect blend of players, combined with the right amount of luck and talent to get it all done.
Even during this OAD era, there have never been more than four teams with enough overall OAD talent to even be considered a national title contender in a given year. Given that, having two OAD national champions is pretty good when you would guess that there are probably six or seven total teams with legitimate national title aspirations each year.
Up until Calipari arrived at UK, there really weren’t many OAD dominated teams. I don’t count Derrick Rose at Memphis because he was the lone OAD on that team, or Durant at Texas (or Beasley at KSU) because again, they didn’t really have that many actual OADs around them. If you want, you can count Ohio State in 2007 with Greg Oden, Mike Conley and Daequan Cook. However, most only projected Oden as an OAD, with Conley and Cook expected to stay multiple years.
If we count Ohio State 2007, here are the OAD dominated teams in the OAD era:
Ohio State 2007 (Conley ranks too low in most recruiting sites to make this team qualify), UNC 2007, Kentucky 2010, Kentucky 2012, Kentucky 2013, Kentucky 2014, Kansas 2014, Duke 2015, Kentucky 2015, Duke 2017, Kentucky 2017, Duke 2018, Kentucky 2018. To be considered OAD dominated, you have to have at least three players ranked in the top 15, or four freshman ranked in the top 20 in the class. That eliminates teams with one high ranked recruit surrounded by a bunch of other top 100 players (LSU with Ben Simmons, Mizzou last year, Beasley at KSU, Durant at Texas, etc.).
Kentucky 2012 and Duke 2015 won titles. Kentucky 2014 and Ohio State 2007 were national runners up. Kentucky 2015 went to the Final Four. UNC 2007, Kentucky 2010 and Duke 2018 went to the Elite Eight. Kentucky 2018 went to the Sweet 16. Kansas 2014 and Duke 2017 lost in the Round of 32. Kentucky 2013 missed the tournament.
What’s really fascinating about these squads is that Kentucky 2013 was by far the weakest of the group. Poythress and Goodwin were ranked 13 and 15 in their class. Noel got hurt. If you take away Noel, that team doesn’t qualify. Same story with Kansas 2014. Take away Embiid and it’s just Wiggins and Selden. That means they aren’t really an OAD dominated team. Duke 2017 had Giles and Bolden both miss big chunks of the season with injury or illness. Take away those two and again, that’s not an OAD team.
Obviously, that doesn’t take away the fact that those teams underachieved, but when you count it up, there have really only been about a dozen true OAD teams. Most years, it’s one or maybe two freshmen on a squad together without a lot of other help. If you don’t have three starter quality freshmen, it’s hard to say you’re an OAD team.
It appears from this that if you can land three or more top 15 recruits and keep them all healthy, your chances of making a deep tournament run are almost assured.
Edit: The only OAD squad for 2019 is Duke (for now). Kentucky only has three top 20 recruits, and only one top 15 recruit. KU may have two top 15 recruits, but they don’t have any other top 20 guys. Oregon only has two top 15 recruits. If Langford goes to Vandy, they actually become an OAD squad (Garland and Shittu are both top 15 players) so adding Langford would legitimately change Vandy’s ceiling.
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Hamidou Diallo declares for draft with Agent.
Nojel Eastern of Purdue without Agent.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Nojel Eastern of Purdue without Agent.
2.9 PPG…
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Nojel Eastern of Purdue without Agent.
2.9 PPG…
I was surprised. Eastern will be one of their best players this year. Figuring he’s banking on getting some feedback and building for next year.
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Zhaire Smith stays in the draft. Smart decision. Likely a Top 20 pick
Huge loss for the Big-12 and Texas Tech.
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Omari Spellman declares without an Agent (Smart Move).
Chris Silva of South Carolina, no Agent
Danny Manning loses his starting C, Doral Moore who will stay in the draft. Another huge loss for him.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Zhaire Smith stays in the draft. Smart decision. Likely a Top 20 pick
Huge loss for the Big-12 and Texas Tech.
Figured, but will be interesting to see how Beard does w/o Evans and Smith.
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Danny will be lucky to make it through this season. And I find it hard to disagree. I have yet to see any improvement.
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@Kcmatt7 43% win rate is rough.
Danny has some dudes coming in. I think they actually had to have some guys leave early to make room. Or they knew beforehand hence loading up.
Crawford, Brown, Hoard, Mucius and a warm body at C should be able to make the tournament. Hopefully for him they can do that.
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There’s a ton of pressure on him next year, though. He’s had one winning record in four years at Wake, and that year his winning record was only good enough to make the first four of the NCAA tournament. He hasn’t finished better than 10th in the ACC. He needs to finish in the top half of the league and make the tournament to save his job. Going 9-9 in the league probably won’t be enough to keep his job at this point.
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@BShark Mucus is nothing to sneeze at. I heard he’s a pretty liquid player, but a little green around the edges.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Zhaire Smith stays in the draft. Smart decision. Likely a Top 20 pick
Huge loss for the Big-12 and Texas Tech.
Figured, but will be interesting to see how Beard does w/o Evans and Smith.
He’s got Moore and DeShawn Corprew (one time plan B for Josh Jackson) coming in, so that’ll help. But definitely not as talented.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Zhaire Smith stays in the draft. Smart decision. Likely a Top 20 pick
Huge loss for the Big-12 and Texas Tech.
Yes a huge loss…but he was a pain in the neck…a little relieved that I won’t have to watch him make some highlight plays against us.
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Read Gabriel out of Kentucky declared but not hiring Agent - I think he comes back, but if he doesn’t they have lost a lot. - from reading boards this is one I don’t think this is one they were counting on. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
Read Gabriel out of Kentucky declared but not hiring Agent - I think he comes back, but if he doesn’t they have lost a lot. - from reading boards this is one I don’t think this is one they were counting on. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He’s probably going to stay gone. Only so many guys can get minutes and the squid loaded up!
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I would be shocked to see him come back.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I would be shocked to see him come back.
You called all this.
Kentucky fans being shocked when kids leave their OAD factory early is still the funniest damn thing.
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@BShark His post basically said he was gone.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark His post basically said he was gone.
Oh okay I didn’t check. That means if PJ stays in the draft too they have 8 scholarship players. This also assumes Green doesn’t leave. 9 w/ Hagans.
Poor Cal just can’t catch a break!
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At least that was how I read it.
Lol I would laugh if PJ left. There fans are saying take grad transfers, but who would want to come play at UK there last year and watch a bunch of freshmen lose 11 games? Sounds miserable.
Poor poor Cal. Hope he lands Maxey and Green bounces. I honestly think Lexington will go to war lol.
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Matt tait is saying doke to announce tomm or so. Hearing declare without agent…
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BeddieKU23 said:
Hearing declare without agent…
Always the plan.
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I think he’ll be back. He won’t get a combine invite so someone is going to have to take a flier
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I feel like he will get invited. He has to be one of the 60 most intriguing prospects right?
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There are just so many guys when you factor in the International players as well. I just don’t think he will get a invite this year. 60 sounds like a lot, but it really isn’t when you factor in all of the draft eligible players.
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He could easily come back but I don’t think it’s a question of NBA or not. There are many other good pro basketball leagues that pay well.
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Someone do me a favor, ( assuming Silvio stays and is cleared & Doke stays ) what does our post rotation look like next season?
I realize that’s a lot of IFs.
Personally I hope Silvio gets cleared and can play ball for us. I kind of believe his caretaker, whoever, that they didn’t take any money from that Adidas agent guy.
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I just find it hard to believe a legit footer with his athleticism wouldn’t get invited. I mean at least take a look and see if he is such a freak he may actually be worth the investment.
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@Lulufulu There is a ton of depth. Dedric will start at the 4 and Doke at the 5. Then bigs coming off the bench you have DeSosa, Big Dave, KJ Lawson, and Mitch.
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It would be a challenge for Bill to keep everyone happy. Mitch in that situation might consider a RS.
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With Doke and Silvio AND another Wing I see it as:
- Dedric - KJ
- Doke - Silvio
With Doke and Silvio and No Wing I see it as:
- Dedric - KJ - Silvio - Mitch
- Doke - Silvio - Big Dave
Without Doke I see it as:
- KJ - Silvio - Mitch
- Dedric - Silvio - Big Dave
Without Silvio I see it as:
- Dedric - KJ - Mitch
- Doke - Big Dave
Without either I see it as:
- KJ - Mitch - Garrett
- Dedric - Big Dave
I am not worried about the post rotation. Worse case scenario, we lose both and we start 5 guys who can all shoot the 3.
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Lulufulu said:
Someone do me a favor, ( assuming Silvio stays and is cleared & Doke stays ) what does our post rotation look like next season?
I realize that’s a lot of IFs.
Personally I hope Silvio gets cleared and can play ball for us. I kind of believe his caretaker, whoever, that they didn’t take any money from that Adidas agent guy.Sure. Dedric and Doke start. Dedric will play 30+ and Doke hopefully 25ish. Silvio will be the first off the bench and can play the 4 or 5. KJ can play some 4 as well depending on the matchup. Dave will be the 4th or 5th big. He and Mitch will play sparingly. I agree with @BShark in that Mitch may consider taking a RS. Being 4th on the depth chart at your position isn’t a recipe for PT.
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@BShark I personally really hope that Mitch does RS. I don’t think he will play much at all next year and he could develop into something a couple years down the road.
