Calipari vs. Weber: Dueling Phalluses (Note: Title Changed to Maximize Board Unity with @wissox to BEAT DUKE!
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To be clear, they shook hands with the staff not the players. Traditionally the losing team waits for the celebration right after the game and shakes hands with the winning team; UK players exited the court by the time KSU players returned to the sideline. It was obvious enough that players noticed it and Calipari was forced to clarify that no disrespect was intended. I don’t believe I have ever seen KU leave the court without shaking hands, even after a loss, unless fans rushed the court and it was unsafe to stay (Bramlege).
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@JayHawkFanToo to be clear you said they avoided the handshake line, not true, KSU players weren’t there.
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Again, to be clear, they shook hands with the “staff” and left the court before the KSU players returned to the sideline to shake hands…to me, they just wanted to get out of there and not wait for the KSU players that just handed them their rear ends and thus avoided the handshake line with the “players.” KSU players noticed and Cal had to clarify it…why would they all address it if it was not an issue?
Perhaps my memory is not that good anymore and you remember a time when the KU team did this after a loss other than when the court was stormed by fans? I cannot.
Agree to disagree?
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@JayHawkFanToo there’s only one line. Celebrate in the locker room.
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@Crimsonorblue22 @JayHawkFanToo
Virginia and Houston managed to wait for the celebrations to be over, then shook hands. @wissox should be able to confirm if true, but someone said UK pulled the same routine of not waiting when Wisc knocked them out.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@JayHawkFanToo there’s only one line. Celebrate in the locker room.
Celebrate in the locked room and not on the court right after arguably the biggest win the program has had in at least the last 30 years? You are kidding, right?
Not a single of the underdogs has done this so far and the losing teams waited for them. Sportsmanship.
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I didn’t see the end of the game, so I can’t say what happened exactly, but when I played and coached, even after dramatic victories - buzzer beaters or whatever, you celebrated for a few moments, then went and shook hands with your opponents, then celebrated some more. It’s a bit disrespectful to make the team you just beat watch you celebrate and wait to shake your hands.
Since I didn’t see it, I can’t say if KSU players celebrated too long, or if the Kentucky players walked off the court too quickly. I do see the pictures of UK players shaking the KSU coaching staff’s hands, so they didn’t just bolt like some of the stories make it sound. I think that’s why Calipari clarified, because it makes it sound like they just stormed off the court, when that’s not the case. Weber and the KSU coaches probably should have clarified that as well. I think that part of the misunderstanding is on them as much as anybody that they didn’t acknowledge that UK shook hands, at least in the articles linked here.
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Exactly. The Houston players stayed until Michigan did the celebration and even mingled with the players; there is even a viral photo of a Michigan player consoling a Houston player. The Loyola players did quite a bit of celebrating after every game, even wheeling Sister Jean to the court, and the other teams waited. The UK players felt they were beaten by an inferior team and I get they were embarrassed, as their faces showed walking on the hallway, but it is no excuse to leave the court early; it was disrespectful.
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Our coaching staff would have grabbed our players in a celebration and made them get in line. Act like you’ve been there, oh yeah, they haven’t. To me it’s as equally rude for KSU not to hurry up and get in line.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Our coaching staff would have grabbed our players in a celebration and made them get in line. Act like you’ve been there, oh yeah, they haven’t. To me it’s as equally rude for KSU not to hurry up and get in line.
Exactly correct. That’s a PHOF if I’ve seen one.
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Our purple kitties didn’t do anything different than any other team winning in March… especially as underdogs.
Calipari’s guys just didn’t want to wait it out, a whole 1 or 2 minutes.
There has been lots of bad press out on this for UK. I hope it takes another shot at their recruiting.
Anyone notice how Cal suddenly isn’t landing every Top 5 pick any longer? Of course, Coach K can be blamed for a big part of that.
Coach K not only has stolen most of the very top tier, many from Cal… but also… top recruits stuffing a team don’t want to do it on a team that is most-likely going to underachieve. This is the reputation Cal now has. And when there is a shinier light out there (Duke) the top players follow the light.
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@mayjay I was so giddy I don’t remember if Kentucky stuck around. The two time defending champion Pistons didn’t when the Bulls knocked them out in 1991. In fact they left the bench while the game was still winding down.
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Here is a article with a video that shows KSU players in line to shake hand and 5 UK players stayed back and shook hands while the rest walked away. As the article points out, the celebration was short, 10 seconds from the time Weber shook hands right after the end of the game to the time the team lined up to shake hands.
Anyone still wants to defend theKentucky players that walked away?
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Tucky never respected Silo Tech. it’s why they got their ass beat. Hilarious loss.
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@JayHawkFanToo Like most things, it isn’t that simple. The video shows some KSU players lining up, and some still on the court. The video shows some UK players walking to the exit, but it shows some shaking hands. Not dispositive.
More compelling is KSU’s Brown’s admission that, yeah, they weren’t really over in the line because of celebrating. But he makes the better point that it really isn’t worth focusing on with a big game on Saturday.
I think the problem for everyone in this controversy is the wholesale effort to want to confirm UK and Cal as the jerks we tend to think they are, and (on this Board, at least) the desire to confirm KSU players as, well, as jerkish as we have viewed their coach.
No greater and larger conclusions about either program can legitimately be drawn from this incident. The pitchforks can be put down until something worth brandishing them crops up.
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@mayjay At the championship game in 2012 we were way up in the nosebleeds. This group of Kentucky fans walk in and sit, uh I mean stand right in front of us. We’re in a neutral section mind you, but as soon as the game starts they stand. I thought, ok, well they’ll sit after the first TO. No luck, so I said to the kid who is young enough to be my son, I said, would you all sit down please? And the kid, and this is the part where I came closer to being violent than I ever have in my life, points to the big screen on the scoreboard and tells me I can watch it up there.
While we met some nice Kentucky fans of course, even not all of them are jerks, they were arrogant and jerky. The T-shirts I saw, SMH, a woman wearing a T that said “this bitch bleeds Kentucky blue” Wow, I bet her old man was proud of his old lady wearing a shirt like that! Kentucky = Jerks is my conclusion!
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wissox said:
Did you ever consider that disgusting term is actually the first name of people that some of us love?
Yes, I used to consider that sort of thing back in high school, but after deliberation back in those days…
I just don’t see accuracy as objectionable when combined with flexible thinking.
I’ve never had a problem allowing “dick” two different meanings. I’ve never been able to understand others inflexibility on the issue. And I have a couple of Richard-type Dicks in my life that I’m fond of.
I don’t see a problem with “cock the trigger” vs “drop your cocks and grab your socks” either.
Or any of these sorts of words.
I am increasingly a believer in “flexibility” training in both mind and body development.
While one does physical stretching exercises, its good to do mental stretching exercises, too.
Performance is not all about building muscles and building vocabulary.
Performance also requires flexibility of those built up muscles and built up vocabularies.
Flexibility empowers the strength in muscles and vocabulary.
I look at Dick and dick as two meanings for the price of one word.
Efficiency is a plus, not a minus.
Besides, how could anyone named Dick worry about the admiralty of their great names with the term “Richard the Lion Hearted” overshadowing all usage of Richard, or Dick?
Dick is a great name.
I wish I had been named Richard.
One of my favorite persons in the world was named Dick and he used to call “jerks” by the slang of “dicks” some times.
Great guy.
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@wissox just so you know you really can’t go to a game and expect fans to sit down. It’s just the way it is.
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@JayHawkFanToo I watched what the teams did yesterday and all shook hands right away and then celebrated. You think what you want. If they hadn’t gone thru the line to start w/that would be different.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I go to quite a few games. They were the only people standing anywhere other than the student section. It’s not the way it is.
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@jaybate-1.0 Sorry bro, but I’m not calling someone a dick out of respect for my father in law.
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Sorry bro, that’s your constraint, not mine.
Of course, I always try to be helpful to a fellow Jayhawk.
Type “Don’t Be a Dick” into your favorite search engine and you can quickly get a list of all the books, albums, and articles to try to keep out of his sight, and not mention, when he visits.
“Don’t be a dick” is one of the hot slang terms in recent years.
You’ve got your work cut out for you.
But you can do it.
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Another thing you might try is to have a talk with your pop in law and say, "Look, Dick, there is no connection be calling someone ‘Dick’ and calling someone ‘a dick.’ One starts with a cap and has no article. The other is not capitalized and is preceded by the article ‘a’. "
I’m pretty confident that if you like and respect this man as much as you imply that he is bright enough to know the difference between ‘a dick’ and the proper name ‘Dick.’
Sometimes, bro, a little communication with another loved one goes a long way.
But I admire you for being so considerate of his feelings.
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@wissox it is at ku games. I sit on the top row, I’d never ask people to sit down in front of me, it’s part of the game.
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For years I worked with a physician named Dr. Richard Head. Overhead paging was brutal. Thanks for the latent memory @wissox and @jaybate-1-0
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I am sorry but the article on CBS is pretty biased trying to give the benefit of the doubt to Kentucky. Also, you should quote Brownks entire statement and not just the first part that fits your case. Look at the video, it took 10 seconds from the time Weber shook hands with the Kentucky staff to the time the KSU players were in line to shake hands…10 whole seconds; when Michigan beat Houston the player that scored the winning basket took a victory lap around the court with the entire team chasing him and celebrated for a long time and the Houston team waited to shake hands. You can see that 5 Kentucky players did stay and shake hands with KSU players while the rest, including the stars, were almost out of the court on their way out at the time which means they really did not wait at all.
I get it, the UK superstars were frustrated and humiliated having been beaten by the nobodies from flyover country and wanted to get out of there as fast as possible, but it’s not an excuse not to be sportsmanlike and wait to shake hands with your opponent.
This story can be spinned many ways but it comes down to…do you believe me or your lying eyes. MY last word on the subject.
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@Crimsonorblue22 You don’t even read I guess. They were the only ones standing. I can’t even post a comment about my experience without someone telling me I’m wrong.
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@jaybate-1.0 He has never once talked about it. He’s 83 years old, is probably aware that it’s a crude term, and really probably could care less. But I’m married to his daughter who is bothered by it. It’s a crude term. It’s offensive for personal reasons, but I just thought I’d say something about it.
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@wissox I did read, I can read. It’s your right to ask people to sit in front of you, sorry.
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@JayHawkFanToo So a writer disagreeing with you must be biased? Read Brown’s whole quote? I did, and he said no big deal. And he understood why they didn’t stick around due to the celebrating. But feel free to write to KSU complaining that they should continue to be offended despite their efforts to put it to rest.
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@wissox I received an explosive response once from a guy who had, after a 20 year relationship, finally married my friend’s mother 6 months before she died (my friend was 43 when they finally married). I had referred to him as a “stepfather” and he and she got highly insulted because he was, by God, her father and how could I use that derogatory word?
I explained that I am a stepfather and very proud of that fact, because it means you are voluntarily stepping into a family and assuming responsibility to be a parent of someone else’s children. I was insulted they considered it an insult. Our friendship ended thereafter.
My point is that you can choose to try to mold the world around your own perspective, or you can accept that someone may not be directing something bad at you when they use a term that to you connotes, or sounds, like something bad. This name thing may be a heightened issue for your wife, and thus you, but I think your blood pressure will go way too high if you think everyone is required to adopt your perspective.
I myself have always hated the name, and most people I knew back in school seemed to use Rick or Richard to avoid snickers from the immature classmates surrounding them. (I think parents should use better sense in naming kids anyway!)
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I am sorry but…
This appears disingenuous. It doesn’t sound like you were really sorry. You can do better than that. Right?
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@mayjay do you really have lying eyes?
not sure what they look like.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I can’t hide my lyin’ eyes!
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I like all the step fathers I have known, but I have only known six. none of them were sensitive about being called step fathers, in fact, they were proud of it and greatly appreciated recognition for having fulfilled the role. .
I love the name ‘Dick’.
And I never see why any one connects the name ‘Dick” with ‘a dick.’
No one ever says “Don’t be Dick!”
They say “Don’t be A dick!”
Does anyone ever confuse “cock a gun” with “drop your cocks and grab your socks”?
Flexibility is part of intelligence.
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My dad’s name is Richard (and goes by Dick) and I’ve personally had endless hours juvenile fun with that. We pester him with a nickname of little Dickie; we’ll greet him too loudly as Dick; we’ll mention to a waitress or a store clerk that his real first name is Harold and Richard is really his middle name; we’ve been known to hijack the script of the “i” to create an offensive image every so often; we torment him with a promise that his grave stone will say “Dick in dirt”; and in a highly inappropriate moment, I even asked in a group family setting that while I know my mom loved him, does she really like Dick. My mom responded quickly “more than you know.” We all then vomited a bit and we moved on.
If my Grandparents would have chosen a different name, where would we have found such joy?
Life is short. Have fun.
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I worked on a survey crew and construction crews in youth where a long steel rod with one flat end and one bluntly pointed end were called “bull pricks” as a term of art and no one either had a problem with mistaking one for a real bull’s genitalia, nor recoiled from usage. The bull prick was used with a 10 pound hammer to break up and pry concrete around old fence posts being dug up, or to crack certain kinds of stone encountered, while searching for survey monuments. “Bull prick” was colorful, memorable and quicker way to say “long metal rod for cracking rock.” I loved that term “bull prick.” Still do. I really regret how the American English language has been diluted and diffused by techno jargon, mil-int-engineering speak, legalese and psycho babble. But the living language moves on.
The viral spread of “fuck” too has killed a lot of the great old metaphorical nouns that once much more free Americans enriched their language with by borrowings from so many languages. Instead of saying with accuracy and efficiency, “Get me the bull prick,” now they probably say “Get me the fucking rod.” Just pitiful!
I would give 100 “fucks” in every day speech of today for just one properly used request for a “bull prick”!
Rock Chalk!
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And there is this:
“On the radio, Bill Self just called Brannen Greene’s dunk as time expired a “dick move.” Wow. Now that’s a coach calling out a player.” Jeff Passan
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The funny thing is no one is talking about whatever your original post was about! I totally hijacked your post Jaybate! I guess that makes me the ultimate di, uh forget it.
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I am always flexible about post hijacking and try to go with it.
Ah how I pine away for the good old days of attack graphics and distraction imagery!
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haha first time checking into this thread. took on a life if it’s own!!
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Enjoyable thread actually. Lil bit of a comedy/improv aura… Lol @HighEliteMajor terrific stuff. That’s how all families should be
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Uh, it may be inappropriate for @Blown to comment on the secondary theme of this thread.
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@wissox I think in your scenario of the boorish KY hicks standing in the rafters, you had full right to ask them to sit after the tip off. Had they flipped me the bird as they did you, I would have then went and asked an usher to have them sit. I would have no problem doing that. You paid equally good money for your seat and have every right to watch the game in the comfort of your seat. Last I checked, if you bought a seat, then you are not in the SRO section, no?
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wissox said:
Did you ever consider that disgusting term is actually the first name of people that some of us love?
Just now ran across this thread. All the talk about Dick. I thought for a minute and have several friends and acquaintances since grade school with that name. Never once did l hear anyone make fun or think of that name in a crude manner. Maybe l’m not normal?
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My Uncle Dick Foster was a fabulous football coach.
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@jaybate-1-0 I hesitate, but can’t resist the overwhelming temptation, to point out that you could have renamed this thread “Dueling Phalluses: The Squid vs Squeaky” for even more fun.
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I don’t use b*^ch out of respect for female dogs. To each, our own.
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@Blown Now that is a term which, also out of respect, I only use for people who have worked mightily to earn it. Who am I to thwart their lifelong endeavors?
