NCAA Corruption Investigation - Kansas Identified?
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Before he signed
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Here’s what should be done.
Who had violations?
What were the extents of those violations?
How old were the violations?
Were the violations discovered and reported by the respected programs?
Also, how many players and over what amount of time should be reviewed in the investigations? Was it directly related to a program? Before signing? Or after they left the program?
What amounts were accepted? Unfortunately if it was over $200, it’s a violation.
I don’t understand why the FBI doesn’t take it up with these greedy azz agents only. But like Pitino, I find it hard to believe these head coaches don’t know about these issues. I think the majority DO.
I am surprised that Izzo failed to catch Bridges, but I don’t want my objectivity clouded by my ‘respect’ for him as a coach. But if this is the only recruit, with Izzo, I could see some type of allowance.
Mark Emmert ordered this investigation, it wouldn’t surprise me if the NCAA says, thank you and turns a blind eye. I think this was an objective exercise for the NCAA. I do believe the coaches involved and the agents should be charged with criminal activity.
Don’t punish the kids.
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Does anyone think that would vacate the 2017 season if this is proven true?
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@kjayhawks no
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kjayhawks said:
Does anyone think that would vacate the 2017 season if this is proven true?
No, I find it extremely unlikely
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Texas holding out Eric Davis. Only team that seems to not be denying it. Shaka earned a few points with me today…
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Is the streak in jeopardy?
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@HighEliteMajor nah
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@HighEliteMajor no more than Woodens should be…
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Im just plain confused as to what this all means for KU. For one thing I have zero doubts about Bill Self’s integrity and ethics. I have a very hard time believing he did or would do anything that would compromise that and risk KU’s reputation.
For another thing, I saw Josh Jacksons name on that list as well as Elijah Johnson’s.
Again, no clue what this means or what will happen. But this sucks donkey balls. What the hell??
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I swear I saw something that says Elijah Johnson , 15k loan a couple days after he left KU. Am I crazy?? Did anyone else see that?
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I think this presents a Clear and Present Danger to NCAA basketball…this just about sums it up…
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Apple Jones claims the the rumors are false, http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/feb/23/josh-jacksons-mother-apples-jones-denies-accepting/ , the next deal becomes what can they prove any of stuff happened? If a guy just gives you names of people he has given money to, if even true he’d have to have a paper trail.
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@kjayhawks She doesn’t sound like a person that would get within 100 miles of any sordid business. She appears to me to be too smart for that- she certainly is no dummy. And if she is right, then what is trying to be accomplished by trying to smear her, and KU?
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Worst case for KU will likely be some combination of probation and a loss of a scholarship. If more comes out, that could change, but for $2700, there won’t be anything major with KU.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I knew Arizona cheated to get Ayton away from us!!! Miller is rotten.
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@Big-Clyde52 they are so screwed lol
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Sean Miller supposedly caught on wire tap talking about $100,000 payment to land Deandre Ayton.
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@Buster-1926 The bigger fish is Miller at Arizona!!! 100K worth of fish to get Ayton.
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No wonder he sweats so much! I bet he paid ole tarz. too. Didn’t get his money’s worth on him.
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Is there a difference between a family member getting money compared to a player?
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HighEliteMajor said:
Sean Miller supposedly caught on wire tap talking about $100,000 payment to land Deandre Ayton.
If it’s on tape, Miller is screwed.
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Report: FBI Wiretaps Show Sean Miller Discussed $100k Payment for Ayton’s Commitment
Sean Miller is a tool. No wonder we missed on Ayton. We didn’t offer him $100,000. This is absolutely unacceptable. This is the type of crap that needs the death penalty, loss of scholarships, and loss of coaching position.
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Kinda like Preston’s car, if it was legitimate then there should be easily traceable documentation – same with these ‘loans’. Apples Jones’ denials seem credible enough to me. I am going to withhold judgment until there is more evidence than just names and dollar amounts on a spreadsheet.
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@mayjay Let players fabricate what they will. The truth will come out in an investigation. You can’t make this crap up on the fly. This is a nasty mess. As a bball fan, I’m saddened.
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I have a problem keeping a straight face when I read Yahoo and Federal documents in the same sentence. Seriously, when did Yahoo become a credible legal watch dog?
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Speaking of the tourney. Can you imagine what tv sponsors are doing right now?
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@truehawk93 FBI apparently chose them to be the ones who they trust to release the info
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Why doesn’t Yahoo find out about Bagley. He’s like Waldo. Where is Marvin Bagley? Inquiring minds want to know. Now all we need is the National Enquirer and Jerry Springer interviewing the agents, with the coaches. We’d have an all out knock down drag out show.
How about BAD BOYS OF THE NCAA…“Bad boys, bad boys…whatcha gonna do when they come for you, bad boys bad boys…”
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Does anyone know who our announcers are tomorrow? Going to be ugly all basketball day long having to listen to the ‘talking heads’ about this debacle.
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@truehawk93 I missed your post.
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Yeah, we need to get focused on the game. I’m sure they will make this mess a point of interest at some point during interviews. I hope if Holly Rowe is on the floor, she refrains from asking Self any questions about this crap.
Self has commented all he knows and frankly, nothing on KU at this time. If the whole Apples $2700 thing is all they’ve got, it’s moot.
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Gonna have to have a special tournament this year. The on probation tournament.
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I’ve been waiting for the Ayton news since the first second he said he was going to AZ. I knew there was money involved.
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BIG TIME, MAJORLY SCREWED…He can’t sweat his way out of this coaches box.
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@wissox Maybe they’ll issue ankle monitors?
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It sounds like they made up the emails in question. It sounds like she didn’t play their game. Now, these emails are simply emails. I’d like to see if they have anything with her responding, or accepting any offers from the agent or even Adidas.
They claimed to advance $1700 before JJ signed with KU. But I never saw a balance of $1000 for the alleged $2700. They even mentioned in their emails that she was working the AAU and that some other figure was involved. But that Adidas was “taking good care of her.” She denies having anything to do with Adidas.
She denies even knowing the agent making the claims. She does know Christian from the AAU circuit, but did nothing with them. This sounds like a dead end and unless they can prove Apples accepted anything, check or money order, draft; They don’t have squat. She knows that world and doubt she would jeopardize her son’s career.
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Bleacher Report is saying Jackson’s mom was getting significant amounts of money from UA and Adidas.
About 2/3 of the way down.
Thoughts?
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Gorilla72 said:
Bleacher Report is saying Jackson’s mom was getting significant amounts of money from UA and Adidas.
About 2/3 of the down.
Thoughts?
I think these ‘agents’ are a bunch of aspiring wanna bees that sent out emails to look good. They threw around JJ’s name and even his mom, but she accepted nothing from the agents, nor did she claim anything with Adidas. As some have said, she works the AAU circuit and was the mother of a top recruit. She didn’t play their game, but their ‘emails’ are empty. They went no where. Unless they can produce some proof of payment, she didn’t accept squat.
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@truehawk93 , I believe this was from a wiretap, if I read it correctly - not an email…
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@truehawk93 That’s the problem in crap like this. The players who take the money receive no punishment really. They’ll leave the school and sign pro deals and make a lot. Sure they cost themselves the rest of their season and maybe a chance at the dance, but they’re the ones who hurt everyone else by taking the money in the first place. Really pretty sick deal for all of the innocent players and even for the fans of those teams.
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@Gorilla72 not a wiretap
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@Buster-1926 The NCAA isn’t the FBI. They don’t have to follow innocent until proven guilty in this case. They can nail Sean Miller to the wall tomorrow if they really wanted to in this case.
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I kind of feel for Miller. The only way he could pry recruits away from the blue bloods was to literally pay them 6 figures. We all knew DeAndre was coming here until Arizona came in and swooped him. Pretty sure he hadn’t even taken a visit to their campus at that point? Still the fact Miller would do that is a very interesting look into the darker side of recruiting. If Kansas isn’t involved in pay for play, which I believe Self is way too smart to ever directly involve the university or himself in such a thing, what are we involved in? And if we do come out of this thing unscathed then that’s another thing we’ve been absolutely spoiled with about Self. He won at the highest level and he did it the right way.
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I bet Self knew about Miller, you think?
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Trier just got suspended. I don’t think Ayton ever plays another minute of college basketball, and i’ll bet Stubby gets the axe sometime today. Talk about a team blowing up…wow!
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So we now know why DeAndre all of a sudden committed to Arizona. - - I couldn’t figure that out for the life of me when he announced he was going to Arizona. - -All through his recruitment all I had been hearing looked like KU was a lock and then announcement day - -BAM Arizona - I myself hadn’t really heard Anything on Arizona until then.
I could see this whole scenario playing out ol sweaty stumpy saying geez DeAndre - -tell ya what - if you commit to us - -I’ll - - - I’ll - - I’ll - I’ll pay ya 100,000 will you just please come to Arizona - fans are on my ass - -100,000 DeAndre please. - DeAndre says hold up Coach.- calls Bill says Coach I have an offer of 100,000 what ya got for me? - -Bill says I have a Schlorship DeAndre that’s what I have. - -DeAndre says – - DAMM Coach - calls Stumpy back and says ok I’ll come - but dam can we get you todo something about your sweating so dam much lol?
This whole thing is just starting to break - I think it’s really gonna get ugly before it’s all said and done. - - NCAA is screwed - how they gonna enforce all of this on all these programs - -lots of blue bloods plus others - if they play this out and try to penalize everyone that’s possible guilty of something - -there won’t be any teams to play NCAA tourney.
Miller is screwed - Big time - -I did read that he could still walk away even if Arizona fires him for cause he can still walk away from there with 10.3 million from the remaining on his contract - the article says most would walk away with zero. - It did say he would have to pay the school back like 300,000 dollars but compared to 10 million? -I think actually he needs to be put on administrative suspension until they find out for sure on him - -kind of like Patino - -Ayton should be made to sit for sure immediately - Trier is out - Arizona is in one big pile of dog doo. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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KUSTEVE said:
Trier just got suspended. I don’t think Ayton ever plays another minute of college basketball, and i’ll bet Stubby gets the axe sometime today. Talk about a team blowing up…wow!
I’m with you 100% buddy. - -I think Ayton should be forced to sit immediately - -and if Arizona Admin has any intelligence at all one tiny bit - then they suspend Miller now put on administrative suspension at least till this gets cleared up - -Miller is screwed. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
