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Let’s be honest Self blew this game. Also screw Lon Kruger even if he was smart to do it.
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@BShark not over
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Did you see Doke standing in the corner? Self didn’t want the call on him so he didn’t even go inside? What kind of coaching is that?
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What was Self thinking? Three straight turnovers! This loss will be because of his choke.
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Watch another call on Doke is comming
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HawkChamp said:
What was Self thinking? Three straight turnovers! This loss will be because of his choke.
No other way to spin it.
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@BShark That is right. I can not believe he left him the game. Every missed free throw was a turnover. STUPID!!!
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Now it is
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Leaving Manek wide open seems sub-optimal.
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Game set and match.
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No way we should have lost. We were clearly the better team when Dok played outside of crunch time. Self was an idiot tonight.
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We’re not going to win every close game, but I think we blew it with Doke missing FTs. Should have subbed him out earlier.
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@hawkmoon2020 You will see a replay of this from now on. We are lucky no one has used it before now. STUPID!!!
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hawkmoon2020 said:
We’re not going to win every close game, but I think we blew it with Doke missing FTs. Should have subbed him out earlier.
Self blew it. Three straight times were three turnovers. Kept Oklahoma in it. Self was an idiot.
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OU told the referees they would be taking fouls against Doke. That’s why the officials were watching him so closely. Making sure things don’t get out of hand.
This is on Self. He allowed Kruger to make him play 4 on 5. You can’t just put Doke in the corner there. You have to take him out. You can’t let him be the goat there.
This one is on Bill Self, not Doke.
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My wife started telling me to calm down at the 3:30 minute mark when Ubrika was still in the game. Bill lost this one.
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We need a 2nd option to have Svi shoot Dokes free throws from the 3pt line!
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Agree it is on Self. Very surprised. It’s not that we desperately needed him for rebounds.
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I can’t remember a time when I questioned Bill Self like this. He’s the guy who has a 80% winning percentage and is in the HOF. I drink beer on my couch. But what the fuck just happened? We were in control until Doke was getting fouled and we did nothing. Am I missing something? This one hurts.
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I think there is a method to the madness of leaving Doke in. Coach Self is sending a Doke a message…I am going to leave you in so you better start hitting FTs like you do in practice. What else can it be?
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Was thinking the same thing. Must have been a reason. Maybe to give him more confidence and experience making FT in future games? Nah!
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But what does this do to Doke as far as confidence? He knows OU’s whole strategy was to foul and see if he missed. That could wreck his confidence long term from the FT line.
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hawkmoon2020 said:
Was thinking the same thing. Must have been a reason. Maybe to give him more confidence and experience making FT in future games? Nah!
You’d think Self is smarter than that. But two final fours does say a lot.
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Bill blew it. Better he learn from it now than in a couple of months. Maybe he sacrificed a game after a surprise win at WVU.
It wasn’t even like Mitch was playing poorly, so I’m extremely confused. I’ll buy the Bill was sending a message line just to make myself feel better.
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KU is still ahead of the league. This game means nothing if Doke goes back to the dorms and works on his FT’s non stop until March.
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That was an elite eight style choke by Self. No doubt we are the better team but the score won’t show it.
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@JayHawkFanToo YIIIIPPPPPPIIIIEEEE. Some method. If we do not have a coach that can teach him to shoot better, they may as well get a friggin truck driving job. And if we are stupid enough to leave him in the game no matter what, we do not deserve to win. I am hoarse from yelling to take him out. UTTER STUPIDITY!!!
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@Statmachine HAHAHA!
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We need Doke to hit those period! The refs should have been calling those off the ball fouls the whole game though. That was pretty obvious and IF you go back and watch the tape during that OU run one of the refs was ALL EYES ON DOKE… That is called cheating if they weren’t calling it that way the entire game. Had they been calling that all night OU’s bigs would have all fouled out! Hopefully Self learned something tonight. Not only can you not pass it to Doke in the final minutes he cant contend for floor space either without getting a call that is basically a turnover on the road!
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If all OU could do was foul a poor FT shooter, they are pretty desperate. This won’t work in most games. We all knew Doke’s FTs were/are a huge risk, and teams are going to use the same strategy in games going forward. Self and Doke just sucked it up to grind through the game. Kruger will have the same game plan in the Phog.
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There is zero chance he hits any more fts percentage wise in practice. Zero. He has absolutely no mechanics whatsoever. The ball never hits the same place twice. This is not the shot of an individual that works frequently on that shot. Simply no
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fart noises
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When a team is taking off ball fouls, they will usually inform the officiating crew that they will be fouling away from the ball. This is to prevent injuries so guys don’t have to be overly physical to draw the whistle. Ultimately, that keeps a guy from getting beaten up or possibly hurt. That’s why the officials were watching Doke and Freeman - the officials had already been told fouls were coming.
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@cragarhawk or someone who has received any sort of instruction. Simply pathetic for a program to not teach any sort of basic mechanics. Unacceptable
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@HawkChamp I don’t know if choke is the word, but if HCBS gets credit for coaching genius for the other close wins, this loss is on him. Simply can’t have Doke in at the end of close games. 6 straight missed FTs and not one was close. Plus, the offensive after we were down 2 had Doke in the corner - what the f*** is the point of that - no reason to have him in the game if they can defend 5 on 4. The last 4 minutes, we didn’t come close to have a good offensive possession - only score was a put back. Really solid 35+ minutes just wasted in the last 4-5 minutes…
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DCHawker said:
@HawkChamp I don’t know if choke is the word, but if HCBS gets credit for coaching genius for the other close wins, this loss is on him. Simply can’t have Doke in at the end of close games. 6 straight missed FTs and not one was close. Plus, the offensive after we were down 2 had Doke in the corner - what the f*** is the point of that - no reason to have him in the game if they can defend 5 on 4. The last 4 minutes, we didn’t come close to have a good offensive possession - only score was a put back. Really solid 35+ minutes just wasted in the last 4-5 minutes…
Agreed. Really dumb move by Self. Just makes me wonder what is going on sometimes.
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DCHawker said:
Agreed. Really dumb move by Self. Just makes me wonder what is going on sometimes.
In shock that Preston left the team?
