Langford
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@BShark Yes I do know that Langford would be all nicely wrapped up for Louisville if not for the scandal. - - - they are closer to Indiana then us - -he still wanting to play closer to home - -really likes Archie - -I mean sure it could happen - -but for sure not holding my breath. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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If he wasn’t waiting to see how things shake out with KU’s roster, why not sign with Indiana early?
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@BShark BINGO
I think it’s evident Kansas is his first choice and Indiana is second. With a return by Vick and a dog shit season by Indiana I don’t think it’s out of the question he signs with Vandy.
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SkinnyKansasDude said:
@BShark BINGO
I think it’s evident Kansas is his first choice and Indiana is second. With a return by Vick and a dog shit season by Indiana I don’t think it’s out of the question he signs with Vandy.
I could see it. If they add Shittu, Garland and Romeo, well shoot, UK better watch out even.
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Vick looks really good! NBA scouts were bragging on him at that philly camp.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Vick looks really good! NBA scouts were bragging on him at that philly camp.
He is probably the best long term NBA player on the current KU team. Really good elevation on his shot. Can shoot and has tools to defend.
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Vick has every intangible to play in the nba. He athletic, long, can shoot and defend. I’m almost certain that the coaching staff has been telling Zion that Billy is a one and done player they are also telling Grimes and Langford that Vick is nba bound as well.
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@SkinnyKansasDude They definitely told McCormack that Billy is OAD. It’s easier to convince Grimes that Newman and Vick are gone. Really looks like Langford wants to be more sure.
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Vick is the classic 3 and D wing in the current NBA. He can guard any position on the perimeter, can handle the ball a little bit and can shoot it. If he gets a bit better from the corners, he has a 12 year NBA career waiting for him, maybe not as a starter, but certainly in the league as a rotation player.
Best case scenario, he turns into a Tony Snell/Danny Green type of player. Worst case he ends up inconsistent on both ends and washes out of the league in three or four years.
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“Just their guards and the way coach Self uses their guards,” Langford, a 6-5 guard from New Albany, Indiana, said of KU on Zagsblog.com. “I feel like I also fit well in their system and the way he gets his guards ready for the NBA.”
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As expected, Garland to Vandy. Only helps KU with Langford.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
As expected, Garland to Vandy. Only helps KU with Langford.
Already replied with this to you elsewhere but Romeo is a huge want for me. Pretty much can’t miss at the college level.
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A prototypical Self wing too. Can score at all levels and has the tools to defend. Great option if Vick goes pro.
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This doesn’t help Vandy? Selling Langford with Garland? Wasn’t that Indiana’s pitch as well.
A lot of wing/perimeter players at Vandy. I counted at least 7.
If we know for sure one of our perimeter players leaves that should give KU the edge in the spring.
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It’s also nice knowing that spring recruiting for once isn’t a mad scramble. It’s looking like this is working out perfectly for the staff
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Vandy is full on scholly’s with Garland aboard as well
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BeddieKU23 said:
Vandy is full on scholly’s with Garland aboard as well
lol
Edit: They are hot and heavy with Shittu too. Looks like axe sharpening time!
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Of course schools have a way or working things if they want Shittu and Langford but they have a full deck at the moment
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Indiana has 1 opening as far as I can tell. I thought they were full but I don’t see a guard on their roster that was supposed to be a Sr next sesason
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@BeddieKU23 Texas is already one over btw. 12 players currently. Jones and Bamba out. 4 in ALREADY.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Texas is already one over btw. 12 players currently. Jones and Bamba out. 4 in ALREADY.
Yup, one over unless the transfer doesn’t stick. But he was a highly coveted one. I can see Jacob Young being a casualty at UT. That’s about as much sense as I could make out of their situation
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BeddieKU23 said:
This doesn’t help Vandy? Selling Langford with Garland? Wasn’t that Indiana’s pitch as well.
A lot of wing/perimeter players at Vandy. I counted at least 7.
If we know for sure one of our perimeter players leaves that should give KU the edge in the spring.
Sure seems like KU is in a great spot here. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again I love hearing “business decision” from the dad.
BeddieKU23 said:
It’s also nice knowing that spring recruiting for once isn’t a mad scramble. It’s looking like this is working out perfectly for the staff
In part because of the mad scramble last year.
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I agree that we are in a good spot. I think we’ve been recruiting him a lot longer then Indiana’s new staff and Vandy. So that could also play a factor.
If its business decision he’s a Hawk. For Romeo waiting until spring after the Louisville fiasco is the best business decision. That way he knows who exactly is leaving
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BeddieKU23 said:
I agree that we are in a good spot. I think we’ve been recruiting him a lot longer then Indiana’s new staff and Vandy. So that could also play a factor.
If its business decision he’s a Hawk. For Romeo waiting until spring after the Louisville fiasco is the best business decision. That way he knows who exactly is leaving
Huge plus that he is waiting. An early emotional decision would have been IU imo.
Plus it gives him time to fully see the dumpster + 5 alarm tire fire that IU is. The kid, like any kid, wants to win.
Also Vanderbilt is a Nike school.
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We’re in a great spot if Vick goes pro. I think if it was always IU or they were the clear leader, there would’ve been more to him signing early.
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All good points. We did Matt’s job for him!
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Romeo definitely adds the shooting we will need for next year. Grimes & Langford is a nice 1-2 punch for perimeter shots. Both can fill it up off the bounce or set shot
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Think Garrett has any impact? Next year the kid is going to start… Hopefully not too much of an impact
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BeddieKU23 said:
Think Garrett has any impact? Next year the kid is going to start… Hopefully not too much of an impact
Nope. He’s going to be a great player, but no way he starts over Langford. He can provide terrific depth 1-3 though.
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Yeah, you give Romeo the starting spot because Garrett seems like the kid that just dgaf and will eat up minutes off the bench. Dotson, Grimes and Romeo start, but Garrett and Moore both get respectable minutes.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Think Garrett has any impact? Next year the kid is going to start… Hopefully not too much of an impact
Nope. He’s going to be a great player, but no way he starts over Langford. He can provide terrific depth 1-3 though.
That’s awful high praise for a HS kid. Garrett has already started at KU which is why I bring it up. Of course we’ll see where Marcus is at the end of this year but I think he’s already sped up his timeline as far as potentially starting at KU.
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I think at this point it would be a mistake to not give Marcus his due after this season. HS rankings aside Garrett has come more prepared then 95% of freshman Self has gotten in his time. Of course I’m basing this on what we’ve seen to date. Imagine how much better he’ll get in an off-season as well
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BShark said:
Yeah, you give Romeo the starting spot because Garrett seems like the kid that just dgaf and will eat up minutes off the bench. Dotson, Grimes and Romeo start, but Garrett and Moore both get respectable minutes.
Good point about the type of character Marcus has. Still I’m sure being the kid he is he’s going to make it very difficult for Self to play someone over him.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I think at this point it would be a mistake to not give Marcus his due after this season. HS rankings aside Garrett has come more prepared then 95% of freshman Self has gotten in his time. Of course I’m basing this on what we’ve seen to date. Imagine how much better he’ll get in an off-season as well
Oh no doubt. I’ve been on the Garrett hype train for a long time. https://throughthephog.com/2016/08/02/pg-marcus-garrett-commits-kansas/
From what I’ve seen of Romeo, he’s the most gifted scorer in the class. Fits perfectly next to Dotson and Grimes. Garrett will be a glue guy/stopper.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I think at this point it would be a mistake to not give Marcus his due after this season. HS rankings aside Garrett has come more prepared then 95% of freshman Self has gotten in his time. Of course I’m basing this on what we’ve seen to date. Imagine how much better he’ll get in an off-season as well
Oh no doubt. I’ve been on the Garrett hype train for a long time. https://throughthephog.com/2016/08/02/pg-marcus-garrett-commits-kansas/
From what I’ve seen of Romeo, he’s the most gifted scorer in the class. Fits perfectly next to Dotson and Grimes. Garrett will be a glue guy/stopper.
No questioning Romeo’s skills. He’s got game.
Starting 3 freshman in the back-court. We know Self better then that. Fun problem to have though if he has that type of talent putting on a KU jersey
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BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I think at this point it would be a mistake to not give Marcus his due after this season. HS rankings aside Garrett has come more prepared then 95% of freshman Self has gotten in his time. Of course I’m basing this on what we’ve seen to date. Imagine how much better he’ll get in an off-season as well
Oh no doubt. I’ve been on the Garrett hype train for a long time. https://throughthephog.com/2016/08/02/pg-marcus-garrett-commits-kansas/
From what I’ve seen of Romeo, he’s the most gifted scorer in the class. Fits perfectly next to Dotson and Grimes. Garrett will be a glue guy/stopper.
No questioning Romeo’s skills. He’s got game.
Starting 3 freshman in the back-court. We know Self better then that. Fun problem to have though if he has that type of talent putting on a KU jersey
Right. Grimes or Langford may not start right away, but they will eventually. But I don’t think we end up with him because Vick will come back.
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@FarmerJayhawk That’s the one thing I’ve read & heard about Romeo , a very gifted Scorer. - The knock that I’ve heard that sometimes things come TO EASY for him - -has a tendency to slack off sometimes because of that – loses focus. I have a feeling Coach could get that corrected real quick. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Definitely. He does have a tendency to just glide through some games. But he absolutely has the tools to be a great wing defender. Very good athlete and long (6’10 wingspan). Self would be perfect for him. His outside shot can be more consistent too. Good thing KU’s staff is probably the best at developing shooters.
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Garland Picks Vanderbilt, does it change Langford’s choice?
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Garland Picks Vanderbilt, does it change Langford’s choice?
I think it could for sure. - -I had read & heard that Indiana was putting their eggs into the basket hoping to land Langford and Garland together. - -Somewhere I thought it had been said you know Langford wanting to play around/with other 5 star/ upper talent.
Well with Garland going to Vanderbilt, kind of shoots that theory right square in the ass. My 1st thought would be that with Garland going to Vanderbilt that would have to increase KU’S chances I would think. Unless Langford decides to go to Vanderbilt. - - Wasn’t Vanderbilt one of his final 3 schools? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Read off another KU site, a poster says he lives in the town where Romeo plays his High School ball, and the talk around there from people is that Vanderbilt is now a heavy lean for him - -possibly because of Garland & Shittu - – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I wouldn’t read too much into anything Langford until later. This one will go on for awhile.
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Got a CB pick for Langford to KU yesterday by some Louisville Insider guy. There is likely still a while before he decides but nice to see considering all the smoke lately on the CB for him has been for Vandy.
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RockkChalkk said:
Got a CB pick for Langford to KU yesterday by some Louisville Insider guy. There is likely still a while before he decides but nice to see considering all the smoke lately on the CB for him has been for Vandy.
Same day Jerry Meyer talks for sure about how Vanderbilt is trending for Romeo - -7-8 CB’s going to Vanderbilt.
Have some time before Spring -gives us a chance to level the field some - -might be pretty hard with his buddy Garland going to Vandy and now The other one going can’t spell the name so not going to try. - -With those two at Vandy you know they gonna push him hard. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I think Langford may wait until very late as well to pick. There’s a lot of things to sort out. If Vick is back, even with KU playing 4 guards, he is in a very crowded backcourt. Granted, he’d be one of the most talented guys, but it would be a crowd.
That said, if Vick keeps playing like this, he’s gone anyway, and Langford would be a very nice addition. He’s a really pure shooter that should be able to play both ends. He would pair very nicely with Dotson and Grimes, two talented slashers.
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justanotherfan said:
He’s a really pure shooter that should be able to play both ends. He would pair very nicely with Dotson and Grimes, two talented slashers.
Agree! I think if Vick leaves and KU misses on Langford adding a good perimeter shooter becomes a big priority. Grimes is an okay shooter. We already know Garrett is rough around the edges there, and so is Dotson. Moore is the only plus shooter and he was 35% his first year at Cal. Maybe a grad transfer would be the best option compared to a HS recruit that can shoot but lacks a bunch in other areas. However a grad transfer might be a tough sell with Dotson, Grimes, Garrett, Moore and Cunliffe all on the roster. I’m not a huge fan of Cunliffe but when he is your 5th guard that’s preeeeetty decent.
Man now that I think about it we have been insanely spoiled with good three point shooters lately.
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I will take senior Vick over any OAD including Langford.
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@JayHawkFanToo I would too but he isn’t coming back if he keeps playing at his current level. However we also haven’t really played anyone but UK yet…
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@BShark Hmm … do we really need another shooter? Or are going back to the hi/lo next season? Dotson, Grimes, Garrett, Cunliffe, Moore. Of course, I’d take a shooter any time. But something tells me this team isn’t going to shoot 27 three pointers in a game once next season, let alone average 27 per game as they do this season.
I think we go conventional next season, perhaps the 18-19 threes per game at the most. If Vick stays, that might change a bit. But I don’t see a big time shooter in the bunch next season minus Vick.
You’re statement --“Man now that I think about it we have been insanely spoiled with good three point shooters lately” – is right on point.
@JayHawkFanToo How about this … I wouldn’t trade Vick for any player we could have next season. Vick could be conference POY and an all american.
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I agree the philosophy will change back a bit due to roster construction but I also still think ideally you add another shooter. Might not be possible though, we’re going to be pretty loaded.
