Whiff City
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mayjay said:
Lots of certainty here in differing opinions without direct information–what must it be like, I wonder, for a staff to be going through the non-stop reading of the tea leaves?
The concern with Grimes as well as Maryland’s guard situation is straight from Dotson’s dad. He has been very transparent throughout the recruitment. So I would assume his dad has been straight up with the coaching staffs. Honestly KU might have got lucky here. Florida was in deep but didn’t want to wait.
Florida is CLEANING UP btw, like hot damn.
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@BShark We went through lots of analyzing and agonizing through the transparent (pun?) family of now-forgotten whathizname who chose Oklahoma. What’d it get us except lots of ups and downs, and the thrill of seeing them think HCBS could not develop a PG. Bitch slap that, FM! Anyway, I just find it hard to get excited or dismayed by anything out of all the “concerns” even if quoted, and then there is social media.
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@mayjay Fair enough. What we do know for sure is that it’s KU or MD.
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@BShark Well as far as Grimes part of the whole thing from Grimes stand point it’s really not what I think - it’s what has been said by Grimes himself. - Sooo if that is the case for real with Dotson then - - maybe we don’t need him here, we will take Grimes and call it good.
I have no use for people that aren’t willing to work for their spot. - So if Dotson or family is trying to dictate playing time which it sounds like they are with the examples you give - if that’s the case - are they afraid of competition? If indeed your son is as good as you say he is and yet he is not up to the challenge? Then step plain and simple, If I were the Coach I want competitors, I’m not handing anything to anybody - -you work for your spot - your earn your spot , that’s the way it was when I played , that’s the way I’m sure it is now.
So if they just want a starting spot handed to him - -then see ya. Would love for hi here but only if he is willing to earn it, that falls more under of a case like it’s all about me , me, me - -instead of we we we. - -" Team " - -We will see. - -So again NOT really about if that’s what I wanna think , others players willing to change for the team - -he can to - -lots of playing time for both. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Sounds like you’re backing off your boy a little, @jayballer54. Can’t say I blame you. I’m getting tired of the back and forth as well.
His family’s been pretty transparent about the recruiting process…more so than any other recruit in my recent memory. Unfortunately, the transparency isn’t winning them any points.
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Dotson (or his parents or both) want a situation without another serious point guard/2 guard to compete with, in other words, nonnegotiable, guaranteed minutes. Not the make-up of a championship caliber team.
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Lately we’re hearing he’s reluctant to go to KU bc he doesn’t have any friends on the current roster.
Are you kidding? So now schools are expected to provide not just minutes but built-in relational security blankets. This whole recruitment is starting to spell INSECURITY.
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ajvan said:
Sounds like you’re backing off your boy a little, @jayballer54. Can’t say I blame you. I’m getting tired of the back and forth as well.
His family’s been pretty transparent about the recruiting process…more so than any other recruit in my recent memory. Unfortunately, the transparency isn’t winning them any points.
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Dotson (or his parents or both) want a situation without another serious point guard/2 guard to compete with, in other words, nonnegotiable, guaranteed minutes. Not the make-up of a championship caliber team.
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Lately we’re hearing he’s reluctant to go to KU bc he doesn’t have any friends on the current roster.
Are you kidding? So now schools are expected to provide not just minutes but built-in relational security blankets. This whole recruitment is starting to spell INSECURITY.
Agreed. – ya I guess I might be backing up at least a little if this is truly the case. I mean I believe your saying pretty much the same as I am.
Again if this is what these parents want - -no competition and the position just to be handed to their kid whether he is actually THAT good for that to happen? - -your right, is this what we want? - not the kind of make up I want for our team. If your good - -and you know your good , then you shouldn’t have to worry about getting you quote unquote minutes cause no one going to be able to keep you off the floor. - -Sorry but I am going to have to use a phrase that normally I am not crazy about because it comes from that piece of crap down the road BUT in this case I’ll borrow it - - " SHOW ME " - prove to me your that good to just have this handed to you.
I think Devon is a very good talent , but why not step up to the challenge if your as good as your parents and others say - ya think LeBron ever backed away from a challenge while playing? - -the old phrase - -you talk the talk - -so walk the walk.
As far as having friends? – Great if it turns out you have friends at the school you choose? -then so be it. – But how many of us when we graduated from High School we had friends - -very close friends , and we said we would always be friends and stay close forever? - -Just because a friend chose a different route in their life did that stop us from choosing the best route for us with the understanding well my friend isn’t doing this so I’m not going to do it either without my friend? - -Devon is now at a point in his life - he is now becoming an adult - time to cut some cords, just as we have chose a certain path whether our friends do or not - -we chose what we thought was the best route for us. - -Devon needs to choose the best school, the one he feels gives him the best chance for the next level, whether his friends are there or not. -
Who knows maybe it turns out best if he DOES choose another school.- -If he is afraid of competition and as you say he has insecurity issues - -so be it - -let him commit to another , we land Grimes and hell maybe get back into the recruiting of the James kid we was recruiting for awhile as he de-commited from .OSU - we were in on him not as highly ranked but still a good player. - -Let Grimes run the point and James get some time at the 2. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 KU never recruited the kid that decommitted from OSU. He was hoping KU would.
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Don’t forget that KU still has Charlie Moore, a very good PG that will have a full season of experience at KU and Markese Jacobs in 2019. Also, Marcus Garret can always play some PG. I know many think he cannot play PG in Division I but he was named the Texas Gatorade player of the year playing PG; I think he can and at 6’5" he would be a very tall PG and a nightmare to guard.
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@JayHawkFanToo KU is in trouble if Moore is starting at PG. Self might agree with me, based on what he said during the scrimmage.
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Self LOVES Garrett though, that seems pretty easy to tell. Garrett will find time one way or another. Maybe loads of time next year depending on who KU adds.
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@jayballer54 I don’t think Lebron ever backed away from a challenge, but if anyone ever went to a team of his because they thought they could beat him out for playing time…well, that guy should have asked a few questions.
I think it is legit for a player to want to be top dog. And to want guaranteed playing time means really just not worrying that a few mistakes will kick you to the end of the bench.
I am not one of them, but some people here have argued this is what happened to Diallo, Cliff, Bragg (year 1), and even Hunter. Theoretically, they all might have made different choices if they knew there would be a short string.
We do not believe HCBS makes PT guarantees, but what happened to them is no doubt the type of thing presumed OADs wish to avoid when having concerns like those you discuss.
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mayjay said:
We do not believe HCBS makes PT guarantees,
Unless your name is Quentin Grimes. Now, obviously there is a bit of recruit speak going on but Self told Grimes (according to Grimes) that he would be one of the two focal points of the entire team next year along with Dedric.
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I seem to remember the talk was that Wiggins had been assured he would have plenty of playing time and Oubre was promised Wiggins spot. Other than that, I cannot recall any other players being promised playing time, although some players like Josh Jackson pretty much know they will get playing time.
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@BShark maybe we should. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark I wonder how promises like that would get enforced? And it seems like it would sort of piss off ZW to hear that. “Sure, Z, we promised being the focal point to two other guys. But you will be the MAN! More than a focus! You will be central! Svi, Vick, Devonte–they have all signed agreements to not want to be a focus!”
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@mayjay It’s certainly a dangerous game. No doubt Self must think Grimes is quite good to even say that though.
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I would tell him that and it would not be a problem since Svi and Devonte will be gone and likely Vick as well…
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@JayHawkFanToo Boy, was I WRONG! Temporary temporal distortion. I think I was just hoping they could sneak 5 years in. Or maybe I was just an idiot!
And, you do deserve this, thank you for the correction!
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I think you probably had the Perry Ellis team story in your mind…
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@JayHawkFanToo Now, that is really funny because after I drafted my guilty plea, I was going to add a reference to that story as a mitigating factor, but I didn’t have a strong factual case, i.e., it would have been a baldfaced lie.
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Nas Little to UNC. Roy isn’t afraid of anything, lol.
Jalen Carey to Syracuse. File this one under KU really better not miss on their top guard targets. Let this walking bucket get away imo.
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@BShark UNC doesn’t bribe players - they save their money for the NCAA investigators.
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Funny how quickly Little went everywhere but the schools that wanted to pay him. Huge get for Roy though, a OAD for sure.
Agree about Carey. The reassuring part with him is if the staff wasn’t confident they were getting the others they would have kept channels open with him. We’ve seen that time and time again. Now we wait… and wait…
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Should be next week for Dotson. Grimes toward the end of the month/early November.
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Well , not seeing any kind of CB movement or predictions at all after the weekends of visits to Kentucky & Maryland. Sure would think if things went really well like some on their boards are talking we would be seeing something towards them - -something - -anything. - I see nothing to make me think things have shifted in their favor - not even their own people have shown anything. - -things that make you go - -hmmmmmmm. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Well , not seeing any kind of CB movement or predictions at all after the weekends of visits to Kentucky & Maryland. Sure would think if things went really well like some on their boards are talking we would be seeing something towards them - -something - -anything. - I see nothing to make me think things have shifted in their favor - not even their own people have shown anything. - -things that make you go - -hmmmmmmm. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think with both camps they are not letting out information regarding their choices. Both families are being air-tight about their plans (unlike Big Dave where his intel got out) . I think when both pick concrete dates then we can really monitor it. I do agree it is positive that neither has seen anything change since the visits. Hopefully it continues.
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I think the Maryland guy wants to put his in for his team but he knows the intel isn’t saying that. Every day he’s been running new click-bait articles for his fans. I’m sure he’ll be one of the few that puts one in for Maryland as his date next week gets closer…
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
Well , not seeing any kind of CB movement or predictions at all after the weekends of visits to Kentucky & Maryland. Sure would think if things went really well like some on their boards are talking we would be seeing something towards them - -something - -anything. - I see nothing to make me think things have shifted in their favor - not even their own people have shown anything. - -things that make you go - -hmmmmmmm. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think with both camps they are not letting out information regarding their choices. Both families are being air-tight about their plans (unlike Big Dave where his intel got out) . I think when both pick concrete dates then we can really monitor it. I do agree it is positive that neither has seen anything change since the visits. Hopefully it continues.
Ya , I just have to feel surely if it went as well as some of their posters are trying to come across, one would think you would see SOME KIND of movement I mean it’s been almost a full week since the visits and yet see very little on the recruitment. - -I’m hearing quite a bit that Devon will announce probably next week. - -I’m still riding my boy till the end. - -The fat lady hasn’t even warmed up yet lmao think she is going to sit this one out lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Maryland fan who supposedly has a buddy close to Devon says he’s now a Maryland Lean. Didn’t see that one coming did we
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“Update: I talked to my buddy this morning. This will likely be my last update till Dotson’s commitment. The Dotson family has tightened their circle, with very little information coming out. My buddy believes that they have either reached a decision or have heard about a leaking of information from their circle. For the first time in our communications, he told me he now believes Dotson is a MD lean, however that could very well change. He said that if Dotson had committed this week, he would’ve put money on KU. This recruitment is going down to the wire. I doubt I’ll get any more information until the commitment.”
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Not that we were really worried here but
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BShark said:
Not that we were really worried here but
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was that recent?
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@BeddieKU23 Two days ago on his birthday.
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KU has offered Trendon Watford. He might visit soon.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Not that we were really worried here but
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was that recent?
who is the pic of below? - - Is that Grimes? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Chandler Lawson, who we fully expect to be a Hawk.
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Ok , so I have a question. - -let’s play out a worst case Scenario at the 2 spot. - -Lets say we Don’t land Quentin - - OR Romeo , so then what about this guy?
Jules Bernhard # 43 in the Nation, believe I read some where about a week or so ago that he was surposedly going to make a visit to KU - -I think that’s right. I know right now 247 has him 100 % UCLA but what’s up with this kid? - - What do we know about him? - -Is this someone we would want? - -6’6 SG - fill me in any good? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Not leaving the west coast unfortunately.
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https://twitter.com/TexasBBallNews/status/915996510264885248
Stud alert. KU has a solid in here too, his older brother was at SMU when Snacks was there.
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Well guys , today is the big day for KU ( jk jk ) as you know. Remember today is the day when we get the official commitment announcement from Zion Williamson saying he has committed to KU (lol ) REMEMBER? - - - if you remember right the 100% rock solid rumor mill has it that Zion secretly verbally committed to KU & Coach Self last weekend at late night and was going to announce his decision today. Now as you know this is from the powerful rumor mill lol , so it HAS TO BE right? - no way would they make this up and run with it.
So I’m so excited about landing Zion probably party all day lol. - - -Uh Oh - -wait seems to be a little conflict of interest - -seems Kentucky rumor mill has it that Zion will visit there ( at least their hoping ) nothing official for their Big Blue Madness and THAT’S when he is going to announce he has committed to Kentucky - - Now I’m confused lol. - That can’t be can it? - Two rumor mills and each telling different versions lol - -Oh the old rumor mill - so trustworthy - -right along there with Scuttlebutt. - - - -I’m telling you I’m stoked - jk jk crazy stuff my friends BUT remember it’s a done deal - -Zion to KU - -rumor mill says soo lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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the rumor mill fell into the rum bottle a little too deep.
anyways today should be a funny/interesting/maddening day when the NCAA releases its penalties to UNC and suspends all operations at Cleveland St instead for the next 20 years.
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BShark said:
https://twitter.com/TexasBBallNews/status/915996510264885248
Stud alert. KU has a solid in here too, his older brother was at SMU when Snacks was there.
Smart to be getting ahead of these types
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
https://twitter.com/TexasBBallNews/status/915996510264885248
Stud alert. KU has a solid in here too, his older brother was at SMU when Snacks was there.
Smart to be getting ahead of these types
He’s already 6’5’’. Maybe he could be our Anthony Davis.
His other decent offers already are LSU, TAMU and Okie Lite.
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BeddieKU23 said:
the rumor mill fell into the rum bottle a little too deep.
anyways today should be a funny/interesting/maddening day when the NCAA releases its penalties to UNC and suspends all operations at Cleveland St instead for the next 20 years.
The rum bottle thing is pretty good lmao. - - -I like that. As far as N. Carolina thing - - I read where the NCAA is not putting out their findings today - -So you and I won’t know sounds like. - Well not today anyways - -wanting to keep it sssshhhhhhhhhhh.
N Carolina should be in a world of Tarheel Doggie doo - -BUT being it’s N Carolina and how they are with the NCAA – God Forbid we punish the Good Ol Boys. I mean damn 5 level infractions. - -Lack of institutional control - - fake classes to help out struggling student athletes so they can remain eligible? - -Come on.
UNC Wilmington -is in a world of crap - -Death penality for sure. (jk JK ) - -just my feeble attempt at humor early
On a serious note though , what do we think they will be handed? - -Me - -I’m thinking nothing severe at all.- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Don’t know if this was mentioned yet but KU is officially OUT for Jermaine Harris due to the front court being, well, pretty full.
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Harris would have been a bit of a project as a four year player. Good body and athleticism, but very raw skill wise. His hands aren’t great and he doesn’t really shoot it or handle it well. It’s a loss in that we won’t have him around for four years, but he probably was two years away from making an impact at KU regardless.
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@justanotherfan Looks like West Virginia is passing on him, though admittedly I don’t know the full situation there.
Could just be he sees the roster situation there and will pick a smaller school in hopes for earlier pt.
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Looks like this N Carolina thing is ummm ya. -A poster commenting off a locked thread said: - - heard the reason they not disclosing infractions /penalities today , the reason it was pushed back per UNC request, don’t want this to be on the same date of a 4 Billon Capital Campaign announcement. - -hmmmm wonder why lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Ian Steere to NC State as expected.
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BShark said:
@justanotherfan Looks like West Virginia is passing on him, though admittedly I don’t know the full situation there.
Could just be he sees the roster situation there and will pick a smaller school in hopes for earlier pt.
I think because their top incoming PF was ineligble this year and will join them in 2018. Harris always said he was looking for a place to play right away. I don’t think Harris was even in the same stratosphere of talent as De Sousa or McCormack so its a great thing we didn’t have to go back and grease the wheel with him.
