VOTE: Frank Mason!
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26.1%… today…
Look… Gonzaga only has a student base of 7,000.
There is only one way they are staying ahead… cheating…
Surely, when the votes are counted, all those spam votes from the same IP at the same time will be removed.
Or… if we want to make sure we win, even against spam… then maybe a few people in here spam the vote. Preferably, people who haven’t spent all of this time voting legitimately, because if you are caught, they will probably remove all your votes.
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Readily available IP spoofers easily gets you around it
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True… but wouldn’t that be a big hassle to do it so many times? You’d have to change your IP ever vote.
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It would not be that complicated to write a short program that goes on a loop, resets the IP, reads the Capcha, and duplicates it and votes for Mason. I woould include a random time generator so the votes don’t come at set intervals and can be tracked. The vote counts only for a third so even if Mason Is 10% Down it can be easily compensated by the other components of the vote
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@drgnslayr said:
all those spam votes from the same IP
You can’t just remove votes from the same IP, because often proxies are in the path and the site doesn’t see the individual IP address of the browser. There has to be more complex logic involved in detecting spam votes.
If we don’t know what that logic is, we don’t know how to circumvent it.
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@ParisHawk Maybe they have figured out a way to hack people’s cameras on their phones, and if they see anyone using a calculator to answer the “I am not a robot” math question, those votes get tossed for cheating.
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…but the only people that would use a calculator to add 2 single digit numbers are MU and KSU fans and they don’t have any candidates…and they would prefer fingers and toes anyway.
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I don’t use IP-spoofing… so I’m not sure about this. But using those, can you always come up with a different IP block continuously?
These tools must assign IPs they have permission to use. IPs run in blocks based on location. It just seems like you would quickly finish using that service’s IP blocks quickly.
I’m just guessing since I don’t use these tools.
But the script idea sounds like the right way to go!
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Done.
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We are reducing the gap; it’s now just 5%. Karnowski? Give me a break. 9 pts, 4 rbs. against Northwestern. Versus, BIFM. Why is this even a contest?
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Today is a new day. Vote for Frank!!!
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I’m replying just to keep this post on top.
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Sure you can remove votes from the same IP. We went through this a couple years ago when we rigged the best venue vote for AFH.
I don’ t know how they set up their voting, but typically, they record several data fields on these votes so they can look for corruption.
The result votes are put into a database with fields of different factors, including IP addresses. The time recording is also another field. A small script could identify those who broke the rules and separate them. Very easy to accomplish.
IP spoofing would be the best way to hack this vote. But I’m uncertain as to how often you could create unique IPs. There are only so many available through spoofing and those are from IP blocks (ranges) to make more IPs available. I know how it works (a bit) on blocking IPs, and that is often done with the entire block.
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27.2%! We are making a move!
If you have been watching carefully… it looks like the Gonzaga people made a goal to keep their vote around 1/3 of the total vote (33.3%) Their guy has stuck very closely to the same amount every time.
I bet they don’t have more than a few hundred real votes. Obviously, they have someone that checks it every day and updates it with more hacked votes to get to their target.
What we really need to do is get our total about 33.3%. If we do and then suddenly, Gonzaga’s numbers go even higher trying to beat us, we know 100% that they are cheating. I already know they are cheating… but this helps substantiate it.
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27.7%! Seems like we move up one half a percentage each day!
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Daily vote bump
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@drgnslayr The most common/free ip spoofers only have a handful of IP address that you can use. Many are just used to change your region so one could redeem European UV codes in the US or vice versa. Of course there are more dubious uses.
If votes from the same IP address are thrown out or blocked daily each service I’ve seen only has 20-100 ip addresses, so one person could throw in a couple hundred votes a day. But only one person could use it per day.
If you want to vote multiple times per day all you have to do is clear your cookies or use private mode. This won’t change your IP address so the votes will likely be thrown out at the end. I imagine this is most of the cheating votes.
I’m just voting once per day. If you have multiple routers you can vote more than once per day. Just vote once on each router from a device. Cell phone, office, home wifi. No way to filter that out yet, as long as you use different devices.
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@dylans Again, keep in mind that there are things called proxies. Anyone working in an enterprise with any security will go through a proxy, and every vote from behind that proxy will have the proxy’s IP address.
There may be proxies along the network as well.
If they are throwing away votes based primarily on IP addresses, some legitimate votes will be thrown out.
That is why I suspect the filtering of cheating votes may be more sophisticated.
On another note, if as @drgnslayr says we want to reduce the Gonzaga percentage, then we should vote for Frank and for two other seniors. That will reduce the Gonzaga percentage much faster.
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You just confirmed my suspicion. That IP spoof services have a very limited amount of IPs to draw from. Thanks.
This process is working fine for us and I’m not worried about the Gonzaga guy.
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Well we are gaining - -down to 33% - - -to 27.8 - -5.2% difference that’s the closest it’s been keep it up - -keep voting. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@ParisHawk That dilutes Frank’s, too. Best way is just vote for him.
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The spoofers I have access to allow you to program any IP you want. Not that complicated to get list of valid IPs from all over the world; this is how spammers operate.
Like I said, the proper (I am not saying it is right or encouraging it) is to write a script that accesses the site with random IPs taken from a list and then capturing and decoding the “captcha” text which should be fairly simple since it uses undistorted characters and would always be in the same place in the screen as is Mason’s name and then vote. I would further use a random interval generator (piece of cake) so all the votes do not come say every 10 seconds so time a pattern is not created.
I personally do not think the write in vote will make a difference; Perry won it las year by a bunch and did not get him the award.
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up to 28.2% that is up from this morning when I voted
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Frank Mason 2.0
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@RockChalkinTexas said:
Now we need to vote for him for the NAISMITH Trophy - once a day.
http://naismithtrophy.com/vote/
#BIFM!NPOY
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Coach Self too!
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I don’t claim to know anything about IP spoofing… so what I posted could be wrong. I trust your experience a lot more than mine!
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I am familiar with the technology but I really don’t have much use for it personally.
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Voting has ended.
Time to put all efforts towards the Naismith award!
