Welcome Back Devonte
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@jaybate-1.0 I’m sorry to keep hounding you, but I’m just trying to give a new perspective on sleeve/legging reality. Disclaimer is that I understand players in D1 sports use these these for medical reasons. I understand they help people prevent injuries, I understand this. The thing is the majority of people wearing these will not fall apart if they take them off.
I think what kcmatt7 was pointing out is that people are wearing these for fashion and not function. Kids today sports idols wear them and they want to be like Mike! Its why Air Jordan’s are popular, its why anything is popular. Take my word, seriously. I have seen what thousands of teens wear and it this is a reality. Don’t believe me, go look for yourself.
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@jaybate-1.0 I’m done with your nonsense.
"Allen Iverson began using a basketball sleeve during the 2000-01 season due to bursitis in his right elbow. Afterward, fans wore the sleeve as a fashion statement, and by 2008, the sleeves were the most popular non-apparel items sold by the league, according to an NBA Store spokesperson. Other players, including Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, John Wall, Kyrie Irving, Dwyane Wade, Paul George, Kobe Bryant, and LeBron James[2] have worn the sleeves as well.
Iverson continued wearing his basketball sleeve long after his elbow had healed, which led Steven Kotler of Psychology Today to suggest that the sleeve may act as a placebo to prevent future injuries. Basketball sleeves are also sometimes referred to as basketball shooting sleeves. Some players believe the mild compression they provide helps keep their shooting arm warm and improves circulation. Although some studies show improved circulation and reduced soreness, there has been no definitive study on the use of basketball sleeves."
“Medical necessity quickly turned into fashion accessory. “We used the stockinette to help Allen get through sore days,” Currier told me. “But as you know with Allen, once the other players started seeing him wearing it, they all followed his lead.” A few months after Iverson débuted the repurposed compression stockinette, a nascent sportswear company called Under Armour contacted Currier and asked if Iverson might try on a nylon sleeve they had made especially for him.”
"Posed with the question as to whether he wears sleeves for fashion or health reasons, Brooklyn Nets forward Andrea Bargnani said “I think it’s in the middle.” He added that he originally began wearing the sleeve to reduce pain in his right arm. Bargnani now wears two leggings and one sleeve—on his left arm.
“Obviously, I don’t need it,” Bargnani said."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/allen-iverson-and-the-nbas-sleeve-revolution-1448488382
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_sleeve
http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/object-of-interest-the-history-of-the-allen-iverson-sleeve
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@Kcmatt7 great post!
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@jaybate-1.0 said:
It propels often sensible aliases into saying the darnedest things to keep their anti-injury narrative intact.
And thank you for the compliment!
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@jaybate-1.0 you still don’t have proof and can’t provide minute markers. I don’t watch the MSM but apparently you watch some of them as you have no idea how to provide evidence to your theories and just say how inept everyone else is. When I was in writing class in college, my teacher would have given me an F on a paper that I didn’t provide evidence for - evidence for a claim is what its called. You can look it up on Google.
I don’t know what the “bad old days” were, but if those days were asking people to provide a reason for their belief and show where the other team is clearly forcing someone left when no one else sees it, then I guess these are the bad days.
PS - You really think I rely on the MSM and their talking points? LOL!!!
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Okay, now THAT is some HARD evidence.
OMG! OMG!!!
I want to go buy one pair each in Navy AOR-2, Marpat forrest, and the new US4CES Bravo (none of that Charlie stuff for moi!!!).
I have never been sooooooooooooooo wrong!!!
No wait, Bargnani, said he thinks the reason he wears it is in the middle. He wears it for health reasons and for fashion.
OMG! OMG! Its both.
He says he doesn’t need it, but he wears it to control pain and for fashion.
Wait a minute!!!
WAIT!!!
This REALLY means Bargnani, and any other player that had elbow pain from a hyper extension, or tendonitis issue, WOULD wear a sleeve on their sore arm, RIGHT?
And, ummmm, that means that when a guy’s athletic performance falls off sharply and he is wearing a sleeve and leggings, well, that sleeve and legging become evidence of where the injury would tend to be, RIGHT???
Oh, shizzle, the 'bate 1.0 cannot help being right even when he tries to admit being wrong, RIGHT?
Holy cow!!!
HOLY COW!!!
Which is more likely?
A guy falls down to 28% FG shooting, starts shooting 3 inch jump shots, can’t elevate very often except on the run, and generally loses his explosiveness, and wears sleeves and legs lingerie for fashion?
Or…
A guy falls down to 28% FG shooting a couple games, starts shooting 3 inch jump shots, can’t elevate very often except on the run, and generally loses his explosiveness, and wears sleeves and legs lingerie for health reasons?
Or to put it another way, are we to believe Devonte just got into a little mental funk about the meaning of life, or are we to search for explanations among the following:
a.) leg injury;
b.) arm injury;
c.) cold or flu;
d.) girl friend troubles;
e.) drug addiction; or
c.) fashion doubt.
Man, I’ve gotta say, you almost had me going there for a minute.
I was almost ready to attribute it all to a fun about fashion doubt.
I mean think about how hard it is to jump, or shoot accurately, or strip the ball, when you are doubting your fashion.
NEXT!
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@jaybate-1.0 did you watch the game? lol He went up high for a one handed dunk. If he is injured, how can he do that?
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Okay, I’ll take what you give me.
Did you even watch the game?
Did you see Devonte shooting the three inch jump shots?
Did you see him switching and dragging the leg?
Did you see him not being explosive most of the game?
Did you ever think that one get up was all he had in him?
LOL!
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@jaybate-1.0 apparently you are incapable of objectively debating with someone else without immature rebuttals. I am done with this thread.
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No, i have an idea how NOT to do your work for you.
So, again, I’ll take what you give me.
You provide me the minute markers when he was explosive off both legs.
You provide me the minute markers that he was playing the same number of minutes as explosively as he did last season.
You provide me the…well, I could go on here forever.
You haven’t provided me ANYTHING that refutes my assertion that he is injured.
You have only proven that guys are wearing arm sleeves and leg lingerie for pain and fashion. Right?
Provide me the minute markers for when these guys only wear sleeves and leg lingerie for fashion only.
Provide me the minute markers and quotes that the players and coaches never have the players wear the sleeves and the leg lingerie for pain.
You apparently not only don’t know how to prove your case, but you apparently don’t know how to reason very well either.
Dang, I was so excited for you for awhile. I was getting out my fork and knife to eat some crow, because I am always willing to do that. And I would be sooooo happy if Devonte turned out to be barely injured and just about well, which I is what I now I am hoping for. But I thought sure your graphics really proved your case for awhile, but all they prove is that players wear these things for pain and fashion. They don’t prove which and when. And they don’t say anything about Devonte. But that’s okay, because you were avoiding Devonte, and focusing on trying to wake me up to the fact that the sleeves and leg lingerie have a fashion element that I did not realize. That much I thank you for.
Let me repeat that: I was wildly wrong about how the fashion part. And I got soooooo jazzed for you that you were right about the fashion part that I figured, well, you must be right about the pain part, too. But, well, then I began to stop looking at the pictures and started reading the words and “thinking” again, and, well, sorry, you didn’t prove Devonte isn’t injured.
All you proved is that players wear these things for pain and fashion.
I’ll give you a C for dragging in some data. And I’ll give you an A for waking me up to the fashion issue.
But you haven’t done shizzle as far as prove or disprove Devonte’s condition. You just keep harping on Devonte doing one lousy dunk. Have you forgotten that Tyrel Reed, a career 40% plus trey baller, played most of his last season operable on a bum foot and still shot 36% from three and flipping dunked during warm ups (apparently to keep opponents from guessing accurately how injured he was)? I mean really, haven’t you ever tried to hide an injury on the wood from an opponent? Haven’t you ever jumped even though it hurt like hell. Doing anything once, or just a few times a game, doesn’t mean a player is healthy! It means the exact opposite usually. It means a player is saving himself and trying as much as possible to protect the injured spot in hopes it will heal. You do understand that players play injured, don’t you?
And you sure as heck haven’t provided me the minute markers and the quotes that sleeves and leg lingerie are not used for health reasons, have you?
But just to show you I’m a mensch, I will throw you a bone. If you want to work for me for free for a while, I recall that there have been times in the past when it appeared to me that Self was having most, or all, of the players wear sleeves, and or leg lingerie, in order to mask somewhat which players were injured where.
Gee, I’m feeling so generous I will offer you another bone. Again, you have to want to run errands for me for free to do it, though. I also recall times when Self has appeared to have players with reported leg injuries to one leg wear leg lingerie on both legs, again, apparently to make it just a little harder for the opponent to recognize which leg was the weak one to exploit.
Now, get to it. Fetch!
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I dont think he ever really left to be honest he just had some bad shooting games. Has had good assists numbers all year. One thing that drives me crazy is after a few games that one guy doesnt play well several on here are like he must be hurt!!! Sometimes people just have bad games guys,
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@JayHawkFanToo That’s the game that I noticed the fast food recruiting paunch.
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I believe you have it absolutely right. Basketball sleeves are really “compression sleeves” that the makers claim improve circulation and might on occasion lessen the impact of a knee or elbow knock that can be painful to the touch but present no structural damage. There is no medical evidence that they do anything other than to feel and look good.
Anyone that follows basketball or other sports know that the great majority of sleeves are worn as fashion and because of the placebo effect and not to correct any existing damage or prevent further injuries since the have no structural rigidity; they are one small step above a tattoo. On the other hand, orthopedic braces worn by injured players will normally have structural components that limit movement or shield the body part from further impact.
I have seen kids in rec. leagues wearing compression sleeves and I know they have no injuries…monkey see, monkey do. Marathon runners are now wearing knee high compression socks…in their defense, those race starts are brutal with all the shoving, kicking, elbowing and eye gouging that goes on…worse than the bottom of a football pile with Dick Butkus squeezing your nuts…brutal I tell you, brutal; I am not sure how they ever survived before without their knee highs. No fiction and no malice although plenty of tongue-in-cheek…
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When Devonte shoots a three, he never jumps more than three inches off the floor.
Last year’s Big 12 Championship MVP highlights.
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Maybe the sleeves and leggings help the long, smooth, and oh-so-cool glide in a floor burn that earns a 10 from the judges.
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Yikes… not a very flattering photo.
He had his sport coat on when I saw him.
I usually look at faces and I thought his face looked thin and healthy. Good skin.
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What about kinesiology tape?
Does it do anything? Kind of seems like more “tattoo wear” to me.
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There is no hard evidence that it works and a lot of what people perceive is the placebo effect.
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I guess if you use the tape correctly you can keep fat from jiggling…
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There is no real harm wearing either and if it helps psychologically then by all means wear it…and it also gives @jaybate-1.0 sleepless nights and material for multi part posts.
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Yes… but I enjoy JB’s insights, even when (and especially when) he is hyper-focused on something.
He reminds me of Thomas Edison… nose to the grindstone and hyper-focused… eventually he made major discoveries.
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@drgnslayr I just like the constant challenge. He doesn’t back down, even when he is wrong and knows he’s wrong. He keeps coming at you. At first it was frustrating until I realized it was more of a game for him. And I need to make it a game to keep it fun. He wants to challenge you to see if you slip. He obviously likes to show off his vocabulary and quick whit as well. But for the most part, it is a game. He usually picks the harder side of the argument to make it a fair fight and some of our funniest terms have come from the battles. And I’m sure he likes to get a good chuckle out of how riled up he can get us.
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I dunno, but I’d like to do a little field research.
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
nd it also gives @jaybate-1.0 sleepless nights and material for multi part posts.
I can assure you that the kinieese tape does not make me want to write multi part posts!!!
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Oooooooh, thank you.
Look at the 4.26 mark. Look at Devonte’s left leg. Look at him trying to work it. Trying to keep it straight. Oooooooooh, the injury tracks to late last season!!! Was it late last year that he went the acute cramping. Houston, we’ve got something here. And look at the knee. It looks swelled up a little just sitting there. Aw, but @drgnslayr has known it all along. He has been keeping Devonte’s secret for him. And he has just been howling in the background while I’ve been being Johnny come lately flailing away trying to get a handle on the issue. Slayr you devil you.
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@Kcmatt7 said:
He obviously likes to show off his vocabulary and quick whit as well
As well he should and we are fortunate anytime we can read words that can dance.
