@jaybate-1.0 Why is everyone always perpetually hurt?

Maybe your just a glass half empty kind of guy.

Look people get nicked up during a season, its sports.

When I stub my toe in the morning and hop one foot and then favor my tender toesie throughout the day, does that mean I am injured?
There is nothing structurally damaged with my toe, but its sore, no biggie, I’ll get over it.

I think its kind of comical the way you look for injuries. During the last game Devonte had maybe one of his most athletic dunks of the year. He GOT UP! He had so much air that he didn’t have to use two hands to dunk it. He switched it to one hand, cocked it back and then threw it down with authority.

People are rarely in 100% health throughout the season. This does not mean they have serious injuries. That is why grit and toughness is important in sports. It allows people to play threw the pain and perform even when they are sore that day. Look I am not denying that people get injured, but I would never sit back on my couch and causally act like i am the team doctor making my diagnoses from watching them on TV.

If I was to look into my magic crystal orb, I would see Devonte playing the next game, and the next game and the games in March and games in the NBA. I really don’t see the value in your persistent fear mongering of injuries on every player every season. It would be nice to find out who in your eyes is not injured?

Its good thing you didn’t own race horses. I imagine everyone of them that lost would have been led behind the barn and put out of their misery.

I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but I think Self will not give Cliff playing time to ensure he stays for another year. Throughout this season Self critiques Cliff with ambiguous words like “motor” and “energy” frankly I don’t buy it. Self knew that if he played Cliff 25-30 minutes a game he was going to put up numbers that would surly force him to leave for the NBA draft. Cliff came to Kansas because we have a phenomenal track record of putting bigs in the NBA, he said it so himself. The problem Self is faced with is that he has another potentially small recruiting class and can’t afford to lose a guy like Cliff. If Kansas does not land a footer like Stephen Zimmerman or Thon Maker then who do we have Carlton Bragg? Another undersized post player that lacks the toughness that Cliff will provide.

Sure Self loves his players that have hustle plays, but Jamari has had more critical turnovers than he has had ‘hustle’ plays. It is apparent that Traylor did not play organized basketball until his junior year of high school. He has athleticism and he understands Self’s system but still struggles with executing it. This couldn’t be more apparent when he is trying to run the weave and telegraphs every pass. He may have had 6 turnovers, but that is only because you only turn it over once during a possession. Still though Self praises Jamari even after he has a cringe worthy game. Don’t get me wrong I like Jamari and i cheer every time he throws it down or dives out of bounds, but halfway through Big 12 play there is no reason Cliff should not be playing more minutes. Unless of course this is all a calculated move by Self so we can have the big red dog for next season.

Rock Chalk, Play Cliff

I was wrong when I thought this would be the year I started to post more.

But hey all you folks that do post, keep up the good work. I really don’t know what I would do with my time when at work.

@HighEliteMajor I don’t know how but you read my mind . Your comments were spot on. My buds and i were all in agreement during the game, especially when it came to what players were being played and not played. Especially regarding Lucas over Mickelson especially after WUG, really bizarre. Graham should stop shooting and distribute the balls to our dead on three point shooters, OH WAIT! their on the bench. Just sad really, some times I wonder if self is lost.

@wissoxfan83 haha anything to get an A. While at KU, I had a primatology professor offer 50 pts. to the winner of a class costume contest (in a 450 total pt. class!). Knowing that winning would boost my grade from a C to an A, I showed up in a full gorilla suit and reaped the rewards.

Here is the full letter KU sent to the NCAA if yall curious. I am suprised this is public, but at this point we might as well show everyone how poorly the NCAA operates.

http://m.kusports.com/documents/2015/nov/22/kus-letter-ncaa-regarding-cheick-diallo/?templates=mobile

@HighEliteMajor glad you made this thread as my jaw dropped while I was listening to Bill Self after the game when he made the Jamari statement.

I do understand @jaybate-1.0 point about helping players egos and i figured that was the only reason Bill would say something like that.

Do keep in mind its the beginning of December and this is the time of year we start guys like Jamari to send a message to other players. I see what Jamari brings to this team and its the same thing he has had over the past three years. Come on folks is he a guy who you start on a top 10 program in conference play and post season play? Jamari is best used as a spark off the bench always has, always will.

Look i am not bashing Jamari, really i like the guy. But think about it @JRyman; Do you really want a guy who is barely 6’8’’ tipping off each game? Do you think he is going to set the tone against 7 footers of Kentucky to start the game? Do want to rely on his offensive production in big 12 play?

Like I said its December so i am not too concerned. HighEliteMajor is not beating a dead horse, there are a LOT of KU fans that understand his views.

I listened to Bill last night and he even admitted Hunter has not got enough court time and it appears most of the board rats agree Hunter will get some more play time. This can only mean one thing.

Hunter gets 7 mins and Lucas gets 25 mins

Somehow Hunter will still get more blocks and points than Lucas.

Post game from Bill: If it wasn’t for Lucas we would have never won that game.

@wissox “conditioned like Carlton is” what heck is that supposed to mean.

@drgnslayr “what was Carlton doing being out at 6am” He was arrested at that time, doesn’t mean he was out until then.

All of us fans should not speculate so early. I always hate to see people going after people with little information. Damning others before facts can speak volumes about ones character. Don’t be that guy. Just be patient and hope for the best.

Rock Chalk and Merry Christmas to all!

I am not a frequent poster, but I sure spend some time reading all the great threads. Still very appreciative of this sites existence. Nice to have an open forum for us die hard jayhawks. Keep up the good work folks and I hope y’all get some sweet KU gear for Christmas, I know I’m in need of some new game day socks .

Dakich “If I was an average announcer” Benetti “you are” Hahahaha got em.

Come on you ol grumps give Dan a break. I mean do you really like Fran that much? Funniest thing he kept saying was that Omaha is a REALLY good team.

Y’all need to chill on the pot talk. It is an irrelevant topic, ESPECIALLY in the context of sports. You have to be naive if you think the majority pro athlete’s don’t smoke. I mean we’re talking about college right? The place you can get weed from any dorm, frat, apartment on campus. Do you really think that smoking hinders players success, the 08 champs would beg to differ.

Times are changing, even the ol NBA commissioner gets it. Here’s the link if your curious. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/league/article/2017/10/25/david-stern-medical-marijuana-al-harrington

Random thoughts.

Has anyone thought about how the suspension of Jackson has ended up costing Kansas City hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost tourney business.

To be honest I feel Self is pressured to suspend these kids. Sometimes I look at things from an NBA perspective, would something this minor get you suspend in the NBA, heck no! Self should bow to no one. There is no precedent on how one is to punish players for minor offenses. He should just tell the media and all the critics that the way he handles his program is up to him and if people don’t like it, tough. Honestly what “lesson” is Jackson going to learn; he has what a month left at Kansas.

Maybe this just my belly-acheing because i really wanted to go to the KU game today darn it.

@jaybate-1.0 I’m sorry to keep hounding you, but I’m just trying to give a new perspective on sleeve/legging reality. Disclaimer is that I understand players in D1 sports use these these for medical reasons. I understand they help people prevent injuries, I understand this. The thing is the majority of people wearing these will not fall apart if they take them off.

I think what kcmatt7 was pointing out is that people are wearing these for fashion and not function. Kids today sports idols wear them and they want to be like Mike! Its why Air Jordan’s are popular, its why anything is popular. Take my word, seriously. I have seen what thousands of teens wear and it this is a reality. Don’t believe me, go look for yourself.

@jaybate-1.0 “It is hilarious how people get stressed out by talk of injuries.”

Isn’t this statement for you. I literally have no stress over injuries. None. You are looking for phantom injuries, that way Jaybate can perpetually be right. If the Jayhawks ever come up short, all wise jaybate knew the whole time. Its never provable, but you can give yourself credit eveytime.

I’m sorry I’m calling you out on it, but its becoming an annual pattern. Each season every year. I know there are a lot of posters that roll their eyes when you make your medical generalizations. I’m not just “whining” about you because I’m in denial, there is no denial involved in something you can’t prove. Actions speak louder than words. That’s what I base my argument on, Devontes literal live in game actions.

Not sure if you listen to the games on the radio or you need a new HDMI cord. Last game Devonte went so high in the air to dunk the ball his elbow may have been above the rim! In all of Devonte’s years at KU he has never looked more athletic. How can you deny this?

Also wearing any sleeves or compression leggings is also irrelevant. They may be useful, but that gear is fashionable for people in today’s sports. I thought you were the Nike/ sports gear expert. Under Armor started this fad and now Nike and Addias jumped on the band wagon as well. They all make and promote this gear. Heck the majority of it is worn by middle and high school kids. Guess how many of those kids are injured or even need to wear it. I think perhaps you might not be aware of this reality, so I’ll give you a pass. Seriously go any AAU function or heck walk through any middle school hallway, the amount of leggings and sleeves could be measured in tonnage.

@mayjay Thanks for being the message board watch dog.

I am glad my comments had such a lasting impact they needed to be referenced.

I will stand behind my comments because they were relevant. My biggest concern regarding Landen has nothing to do with his legs or obliques; its his hands. He has struggled with shooting and also securing the ball when he is in the paint; the ball gets poked out a lot. Its never really been injuries that has held him back, that’s just an easy scapegoat for games he under performs. What I said was justified and two months ago fans did have concern, but with the injury to Azubuike that changed everything. Really Azubuike’s injury was just what Landen needed. The team has such a short bench on big men that Landen had to pick up his game. He has responded big time and I couldn’t be more delighted to see him play with that fire we didn’t see at the start of the season.

Attitude is everything, it is the real difference maker, not sore obliques, nagging cramps, or bone bruises. Because Devonte hasn’t been locked in a few games doesn’t scream injury. Do you remember Wiggins biggest flaw his one season here? It was his lack of focus to stay plugged in on offense. That was not because of physical injuries, it was mental. Look at him now. A few years has past and he is doing great in the NBA because he has improved that aspect of his game.

Devonte just needs Focus, not a Physician.

@jaybate-1.0 Why is everyone always perpetually hurt?

Maybe your just a glass half empty kind of guy.

Look people get nicked up during a season, its sports.

When I stub my toe in the morning and hop one foot and then favor my tender toesie throughout the day, does that mean I am injured?
There is nothing structurally damaged with my toe, but its sore, no biggie, I’ll get over it.

I think its kind of comical the way you look for injuries. During the last game Devonte had maybe one of his most athletic dunks of the year. He GOT UP! He had so much air that he didn’t have to use two hands to dunk it. He switched it to one hand, cocked it back and then threw it down with authority.

People are rarely in 100% health throughout the season. This does not mean they have serious injuries. That is why grit and toughness is important in sports. It allows people to play threw the pain and perform even when they are sore that day. Look I am not denying that people get injured, but I would never sit back on my couch and causally act like i am the team doctor making my diagnoses from watching them on TV.

If I was to look into my magic crystal orb, I would see Devonte playing the next game, and the next game and the games in March and games in the NBA. I really don’t see the value in your persistent fear mongering of injuries on every player every season. It would be nice to find out who in your eyes is not injured?

Its good thing you didn’t own race horses. I imagine everyone of them that lost would have been led behind the barn and put out of their misery.

Rock Chalk and Merry Christmas to all!

I am not a frequent poster, but I sure spend some time reading all the great threads. Still very appreciative of this sites existence. Nice to have an open forum for us die hard jayhawks. Keep up the good work folks and I hope y’all get some sweet KU gear for Christmas, I know I’m in need of some new game day socks .

@wissox “conditioned like Carlton is” what heck is that supposed to mean.

@drgnslayr “what was Carlton doing being out at 6am” He was arrested at that time, doesn’t mean he was out until then.

All of us fans should not speculate so early. I always hate to see people going after people with little information. Damning others before facts can speak volumes about ones character. Don’t be that guy. Just be patient and hope for the best.