March 4: News Headlines Digest
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@jaybate 1.0
Love both of your reads today, my friend!
Do you know HOW Self won #10?
Of course, everyone contributed… but we had 2 main weapons…
Weapon #1: Embiid on defense. He became a blocking machine and a shot changer. Embiid made up for a lot of bad perimeter defense. Embiid has pulled down a lot of boards, too.
Weapon #2: Embiid on offense. Embiid has shot an amazing 62.6% from the field! Okay… he doesn’t score a ton of points… but HOW did Self get Embiid his points? The Self hi/lo, which also then feeds in all our bigs %s… Ellis 53.6%, Black 66.2%, Traylor 74.6%… add in all our post players and that is why we are one of the most efficient offenses in the country! Most teams we won because of our offense, not our defense.
Embiid is our main weapon.
But let’s not discount all the help from Wiggins, Selden and sometimes Tharpe. All of these guys played gigantic roles in several games.
However… minus out Embiid from our season and we would be fighting to get a spot in March Madness.
Go back 2 years ago and that Kentucky team didn’t have a shot at that NC without the unibrow!
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I’ve decided to go down to Stillwater tonight with my hedge clippers and cut down their nets.
Anyone want to go along?
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@drgnslayr Absolutely! I would be happy to get on the bus, and I will bring embroidery scissors. It might take longer, but it will look superb in the end. Thanks for the laugh.
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That is a great thought Dragon. I can’t make it this time but perhaps another trip will materialize in the future-as in I win the lotto and reserve a hotel floor or two at a March Madness weekend and with a block of tickets invite KU bucketeers on my dime. RCJH
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@drgnslayr Correct. Kentucky’s main weapon was the Unibrow, but he also had Gilchrist, Jones, Teague, and Miller to help him out. This year, Embiid has Wiggins, Selden, Tharpe(when is actually focused on the game), Ellis, Black, Mason, and Traylor as his supporting cast.
I agree with everyone on here: Self needs to sit Embiid until the tournament. They are already a guaranteed 2 or 3 seed, so no need to risk an further injury.
What the rest of the team needs to do during this time that Embiid is out is to realize that the tournament is almost here and now is the time to really focus(Tharpe I’m talking to you!).
A focused team plus a healthy Embiid = great shot at a final four.
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Yep, Rest Embid, even use sparingly in the B12 tourney as needed.
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Will do, coach. And I’m expecting Perry Ellis to come up big, because Perry has been in one of those mother of all slumps that scorers, regardless of whether they play outside, or inside, get into. The great news for Perry is that he is getting his out of the way now, so that he can reset for The Madness. And I believe he will. He is too solid of a person not to. He is smart and I always bet on intelligence over the long haul. Perry is like all the guys that Self plays out of position. Though they are completely different kinds of players, he reminds me of Tyrel Reed. Both came to KU as scorers. And in the D1 game, at the different positions Self played them at, they had to learn that there just were going to be games when they could not do what they are best at, because of match-up disadvantage. Reed had a great, great 3pt shooting season his junior year (46%), but there were games that season when he got bottled up and then didn’t bring anything else to the table. He guarded hard, but he didn’t explode out of his position on defense and strip and disrupt, or create plays for other players on offense, or get in their and steal rebounds, or take charges, like he should have. It wasn’t until Reed’s senior season that despite the pre-operable foot injury that killed his 3pt% that he was big and strong enough to run around the floor and bump and grind with guys outside. It wasn’t until his last season that he mastered the reach in the paint and strip the mid range rebound out of the hands of a blue meanie.
Perry can be so much more versatile than Reed, because he has the 6-7 height to go with his own hops on a par 6-4 Reed’s 40 inch vertical.
I really do believe Perry could be special at the 3, even though no one else seems to. But whether or not he ever makes it there, he is eventually going to break through into that kind of intensity where he can make up for the bad matchup games with exploding out of his position for strips and blocks and disruption. There is no doubt in my mind that Perry will do it.
He will get his scoring mojo back sometime over the next five games. It will come back not just because Jo Jo is out, but because Perry will come out of his slump.
If he gets hot again during the Madness, we are going to be a very, very tough out, assuming Embiid comes back.
Rock Chalk!
Go, Perry, go!!!
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@jaybate 1.0 Swish!
Spot on Jaybate. Its all about finding your groove IN MARCH, not December or January. That’s why I’m glad KU has already suffered losses early in the season while other teams haven’t. Their weaknesses have already been determined and they know what to correct and improve on.
As you said jb, once The Designer gets out his slump, look out! I was glad that against OSU on Saturday he decided to go to his mid range game since he has been getting his shot blocked in the post. He needs to go to it even more to stretch the defense out. Another thing that would really help him is to use the shot fake. I don’t remember a time this year when he’s used it.
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I may be drinking the red and blue kool-aid, but I think we still have a decent shot at a #1 seed.
First, we should take care of business at home against TT. It is senior night. Emotion should be high. But this is not a gimme.
Second, go to WVU and take down a highly-competitive Huggins team with size. But we’ll have size in Black and Trailer who might be a better duo to match up against the mountaineers.
At that point, I’m going to say we’re still a #2.
When we get to conference tourney time, there could be some upsets that could help us. The ACC tourney will be a test for Virginia to pull off. I tend to trust Florida to handle the SEC competition, but Arizona could be upended in the PAC12. Wichita State may come through unscathed, but I’m going to say the odds are pretty good that one of these teams will lose in their conference tourney.
With a loss from one of those teams, KU is in the conversation for a #1 unless they bow out in the first game of the tourney.
If KU gets to the Big12 championship game, they are being considered for a #1 seed --with or without a loss from the top row. And if they win, they are almost certainly a #1 seed --even if the other teams win out – by virtue of their accomplishments against the Top 50 teams in the B12 tourney they will likely encounter.
We actually have an advantage by playing in the Big12 – more upside if we win than any of the other teams other than maybe Virginia.
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@JayhawkRock78 count me in!
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@drgnslayr drove to Lawrence tonight for senior pm, or I’d go w/you.
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Thanks for the thought… so you go to the game and give an extra shout out from me.
I’ll be flanked behind the 3rd bush outside of the south exit of Gallagher-Iba, waiting to dart in with my clippers duct taped to my back.
Everyone in here can PM me their mailing address later for a strand of history!
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“With a loss from one of those teams, KU is in the conversation for a #1 unless they bow out in the first game of the tourney.”
Syracuse should definitely be out of the picture now with their home loss to VT.
I basically gave up on our hopes of a 1-seed because of 7 losses…
Maybe someone in here knows…
Has there ever been a 1-seed with 7 or more losses?
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@drgnslayr Yes I believe Michigan State was in 2000. They also won the championship that year.
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Parity in basketball has resulted in most every team, at least in the major conferences have multiple loses by the time the conference schedule is played out. The days when a half dozen teams dominated the landscape are gone. Look at how many different teams have been ion the top 5, 10, 25. Look at the pre-season top 25:
Kentucky - Now 25
Michigan State - Now 22
Louisville - Now 11
Duke - Now 4
Kansas - Now 8
And look at the current top 5:
Florida
Wichita State
Arizona
Duke
Virginia
Wichita State is an aberration and the result of a very weak schedule and playing in a very weak mid-major conference. No team in a major conference has gone unbeaten since the 1976 Indiana Team.
KU has had the toughest schedule in college basketball and by many accounts, the toughest in 20 years. Also, many analyst have pointed out, KU has enough good wins and not really a bad loss, to be considered a #1 seed. Most of the so called “bracketologists” have KU as a #1 seed, even after the loss to OSU, and many feel that with Embiid out( provided he returns for the conference tournament) even if it loses one of the next two games, it would not affect the seeding; its strength of schedule is that good.
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I haven’t stayed on top of the bracketology as well as you have. That is clear to me now!
Your logic is sound… I think I’ve been weighing the wins/losses too much on its general count, without putting enough focus on SOS.
I do know that I am very happy we played such a tough schedule this year. It seems to benefit us by making us more prepared, and it seems to give us opportunities in the polls without too much risk of being brought down.
Take the flip side of that coin… and Wichita State. They played perfect basketball and can’t advance beyond 2nd in the polls.
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I believe Bilas mentioned in one of his articles that Wichita is being judged based on its record (eye test) and KU on its Strength of Schedule (substance test), one is fleeting the other is not…which one would you rather have?
The objective computer rankings do not like Wichita and their current ranking is artificially buoyed by the no losses; one loss in their tournament and they drop like a rock. It is the equivalent of going up like a 747 or a helium filled balloon; one pin prick will bring one down while the other will not even feel it.
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If our team is worthy of a #1 seed then parity has made college hoops totally lacking in quality teams. We have too many ugly losses to be considered a #1 in my opinion. Florida, KSU, OSU, SDSU are all games where we resembled 5 or 6 seeds instead of #1 seeds. But…
While there’s three sure #1’s, Florida, Arizona and Wichita, you could argue us receiving the 4th as easily as you could Virginia, Duke, Villanova, or Syracuse. Heck if 6 loss Duke is being mentioned, then I’ll mention my Badgers and their 5 loss team with the 2nd strongest schedule and a win at Virginia. And yet unless one of them distinguishes themselves in the last week and a half here, well one of these teams will get the #1. My guess is it will be Duke, they’ll get to play in Raleigh for the regional and we’ll all complain.
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@wissoxfan83 I agree that we probably should not be a #1, even considering our SOS. And not to be a party pooper, but I really don’t want to be a #1 this year. Our team is so inconsistent and I sure as heck don’t want to be the first #1 to lose to a 16. It could happen.
I firmly believe we can beat any team in the tournament, but I also believe that we can probably lose to any team in the tournament.
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@wissoxfan83
If our team is worthy of a #1 seed then parity has made college hoops totally lacking in quality teams.
Actually I would argue that the opposite is correct; parity has created a lot more quality teams. Where before we had a few that dominated, now we have a number of them than on a given day can beat any other team. I would say that if the top 10 current teams played the top 10 ranked teams of 30 or 40 years ago, the current teams would wing at least 8 out of the 10 games; maybe even all of them. Basketball is now that much better.
Other than perhaps the first Texas game, I would not call our losses ugly; BTW, Texas was ranked in the top 20 at the time.
KU started 5 true freshmen against Florida and gave up a lot of points in the first half; however, the team recovered and beat Florida by 9 in the second half. Obviously not enough to win the game but a good indicator that KU can beat any team; keep in mind that Florida is currently the unanimous #1 ranked team.
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@drgnslayr I would be happy to join you on the trip to Stillwater to accomplish that task!
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@HawkInMizery better get a bus!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Would a double decker do??
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I would say that if the top 10 current teams played the top 10 ranked teams of 30 or 40 years ago, the current teams would wing at least 8 out of the 10 games; maybe even all of them. Basketball is now that much better.
That is a bet I would take. All things being equal, the top 10 ranked teams of 30 or 40 years ago would win hands down. Houston, with Hall of Famers Olajuwan and Drexler could not win the national championship. Illinois with a roster full of NBA players in '89 couldn’t win the national championship. Michigan with the real fab 5 recruiting class couldn’t win the national championship.
Indiana of 76 would be undefeated nowadays too I believe. UCLA, same thing. Georgetowns great teams from 80-85 would destroy teams these days.
It’s a fun argument to be sure.
As for your statement that parity has created a lot more quality teams I disagree too. The level of play in NCAA has diminished greatly. I dislike the NBA, but when I watch a few minutes I’m amazed at how good those guys are. Then I watch college and am amazed at how poor even good teams are. The shooting is generally horrible, guys taking fade away threes for goodness sakes! So again, it’s a fun argument to have but I just don’t see what you wrote!
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@wissoxfan83 I would take that bet too. Noah and friends came back to Florida for another year, and that’s all it took to win back to back titles. How many times did Alcindor and Walton come back?
Plus so many bad habits from the AAU circuit…
Jordan was on a top ranked team 30 years ago. A decade later, he was saying of the new guys: “They don’t know how to play. They don’t even know how to practice!”
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@wissoxfan83
I think you are missing my point. You are naming specific teams and I am trying to compare the top 10 teams in any one year. 30 or 40 years ago, there were a few dominant and a bunch of also run teams every year. Look at the current top 25 and many of those have been as high as #1, such as Kentucky and Michigan State and now they are in the 20s. Yes, I grant you that the top 2 or even 3 teams from long ago would have and edge, but below that it would not be close. Realistically, any of the current top 25 teams, with a couple of breaks, could be a top 3 team. 30 or 40 years ago, there were a few teams that dominated and the rankings did not change much throughout the season like they do now.
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Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abadul Jabbar) like Walton came back THREE times (both played 4 years), and Jabbar won 3 titles and Walton 2, losing in his senior year in the finals in double overtime to North Carolina State.
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@JayHawkFanToo Right, I forgot freshmen weren’t eligible then. Another reason why you can’t compare the teams.
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The freshman rule was lifted in 1973 after Jabbar was done and while Walton was still playing. The both played one year in the Freshman team and 3 years in the varsity team.
