@TYOHawk In recruiting you are viewing that wrong…it signifies that even though he’s committed they are nervous and showing up to make sure he doesn’t flip elsewhere
Flying out for a Friday night senior night is a nice gesture but also telling/concerning
When guys commit you don’t cease contact but going out there still after a commitment doesn’t bode well
Wouldn’t surprise me if he decommits. Just like Josh Jackson - he will have DP throwing it inside and trying to play inside-out
Next year will be a nice 3/4 finish in the big 12 and sweet 16 ceiling
Had Bill evaluated his current roster better he could have had both Philon and Griffin
@KirkIsMyHinrich He won’t listen to those guys anyways
The issue is Self
@KirkIsMyHinrich Self will ruin it
New heights these last two years is brutal
He can’t evaluate guards
Gonna surround Peterson with some overrated dudes, run this archaic offense where we feed the post and never fastbreak
It’s the same trash every year and it only worked with 3-4 year system guys
Bill - you are done - please quit
We shot 52% the first half and were down double digits ….because ya know one team understands basketball and the other is living in the 80’s
@kjayhawks We trailed pretty much the entire game - had this been a neutral court or road game we’d lost by 15-18
Not sure how on earth u are positive
Houston will pound us
We will get beat by zona
Lose 1st or 2nd big 12 game
Lose 1st or 2nd round in ncaa’s
What a season by our senior basketball team
@rcjhdraft said in Lets go 3-0 on the new season:
@bskeet said in Lets go 3-0 on the new season:
I guess this is the poorest executing team I’ve seen Self put on the floor.
Hilarious given the fact that they’re the oldest team in college basketball
Insanity - running the same 3 back out there and expecting different results!!!
Insanity - never recruiting over the pg or 4 man!
Insanity - telling us our eyes are deceptive, we don’t know ball and they are actually good!
Three’s shot……Self for the love of what is good - please retire. Gonna complete wreck DP and waste his year in college while we run diggy at pg
Them - 43
Us - 18
@DanR Team sucks because of the roster and the philosophy
@wissox Yeah refs fault
But that 3 u mentioned was unguarded and wide open…maybe it ain’t the refs for once?
@patoh3 Can’t play that cuts into a favorites minutes
Not allowed under Selfs rules
@kjayhawks MAYBE IF HE WAS QUICK HOOKED WHEN HE DID IT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS
LIKE SELF DOES TO STORR OR GRIFFIN
MAYBE JUST MAYBE D2 would improve!
The core 3 zero standard or accountability cause daddy self plays favorites - such a sawft dude
Losing these last 3 to finish 10-10 baby!
But d2 just WINS CAUSE DADDY SELF TOLD ME
YALL ARE DUMB AND OUR COACH IS TOAST
The fact we left them wide open for 3 late is yet again another disaster Self masterclass!
Didn’t scout it - didn’t adjust at half - just “fools fools hope they miss”
Hey nice d2 leaving ur feet nice pass
New era: shoot 3’s when wide open and guys make them
Our old era; proceed to throw it down low to Hunter where he’s heavily guarded - it is heavily physical (less likely to call fouls late in game) and he misses two bunnies but they were heavily contested
Look guarded 2 from 2 feet is missed by Hunter
But it’s closer to the rim!
@SlimShaddy54 Due to how Self as always chooses to guard inside out
@Zabudda We don’t ever prioritize guarding the 3 point line
Kj is doubling down low and will never recover in time
Playing 3 bigs
Three’s aren’t fools gold Self….need to retire bud the game ain’t for you
Self quick hook to the guy who is supposed to be the game changer
Doesn’t quick hook hunter’s laziness or KJ’s or d2’s
@kjayhawks teams don’t honor d2 which is who handles the ball on the pnr and they don’t honor kj so they say off both
Yet bill keeps running those two as the main guys
Zeke and flory, zeke and kj, griffin and those guys work way better than d2
Circling back to this if Self leaves who do you want?
Sampson or Pearl - any chances of proven guys?
Oats, Golden or May?
McCollum I liked but once we saw the tempo they play at - I’d rather not
@Texas-Hawk-10 - Give me your low down on who you’d want as a coach and why
Also - your thoughts on Dusty May he’s currently my first choice over Oats
May doesn’t have the budget but his eye for talent and building his team then elevating them is next to none. Oats has the budget and athletes but struggles defensively (your side of the ball so know you like me writing that lol)!
May is playing two 7 footers and winning without their stud Johnell Davis
Compare that with Arkansas where he’s struggling after dominating at FAU and in the tourney. This shows me Cal just like Self don’t have it anymore. They can’t elevate their talent and they are struggling to coach big time with their old methodologies
Self won’t retire this year but man I sure wish he would. He’ll let DP play all the time but our offense will still be the same bs throwing it inside and playing the wrong guys who don’t provide spacing
@TYOHawk Honestly he’s just embarrassing himself, racking up atrocious losses while still acting like his favorites are legit and not the issue. He’s so out of touch with the game and it’s making him look bad but it’s his own arrogance
He had the number 1 nil, got exactly who he wanted from the portal and claimed “you’ll love this roster back in what October/November” - and then he mentally ruined two of the new guys he brought in to were supposed to be big contributors
We going to confirm or deny Vernon’s reporting……
Pretty evident other 22+ year olds don’t like seeing the drastic favoritism with how 3 guys are treated compared to the rest of the team. Especially when those “other guys” were brought in to help but have been completely f’d out of playing aggressively and loose and their game
@drgnslayr I think you mentioning two players as national title winners but not understanding 1 played maybe what 3-4 minutes all tournament and the others minutes were cut in half from the regular season -
Brings you to the conclusion that the roster is good enough when it isn’t even remotely close
Bill on the other hand can’t maximize his talent unless he’s had them here for 4 years to play “his way”
When DP starts every game feeding the post it is yet again Bill not even grasping how basketball works today. He still thinks you gotta throw it inside to open up the 3
@drgnslayr Hunt in the post missed bunnies and is often double teamed due to the defense not respecting any of our other players besides Mayo to hit a 3
Retire William! Bring in Dusty May this off-season if anything below is actually truth
“At one point he said basically BYU shot and made not high " shots. Basically fools gold…“
@bskeet He’s not a winner and never has been. His stupid between the legs celebration and potential dirty plays….hes not who I’d ever build a team around let alone going with a d2 pg and 6-5 center who can’t do anything but dunk
@TYOHawk Bill just can’t help himself as he truly thinks that’s the best lineup
Watch this and tell me it looks like our offense…Self is cooked and he’s underachieved (crazy to say with two titles)
@cajhwk Talent next year will be better but everything else you listed won’t
Time for Self to retire he’s not winning anything and he’s taken us to new lows instead of new heights
@bskeet Some talent yes, say top 25 and sweet 16 max - yeah
But in reality it’s horribly skilled players and no one respects d2 on the squad especially the new guys. They hear all this talk of how great he is then watch him get his lunch eaten nightly……throw that in with worthless Hunter and kj who can clap his hands real hard for dunks but when it comes to late game free throws blockouts he forgets to actually go rebound the ball
@BeddieKU23 Funny that when guys from other winning programs come in and see the s-show with nepotism we run here they get mad and call it out
Rightfully so - been that way for years just the portal is finally exposing it. Guys don’t want to be treated like second class citizens when the “favorites” constantly mess up and lose but play through a multitude of mistakes that the new guys get yanked for
Just retire Self you aren’t getting saved by DP - no one can save you from your 1980’s basketball thought process
@SlimShaddy54 Buck stops with him - it’s on him more than his assistants
They spot talent and he has to “okay it”
@kjayhawks said in Tonight's game:
I’m going to bed, I’ve had enough pain and suffering for one evening. Good night all
@kjayhawks said in Tonight's game:
I’m going to bed, I’ve had enough pain and suffering for one evening. Good night all
Don’t tell me you expected something different tonight lol
@TYOHawk said in Tonight's game:
It’s not the money. They’re just not that good. Imagine if we built a team around Naadir Tharpe and Darnell Jackson…that’s essentially what Coach has done the last two years.
Finally someone has eyes - well said
I don’t want to hear how great of a winner Juan and kj are on senior night as we have back to back years finishing middle of the pack in the big 12
@patoh3 The issue isn’t NIL - plenty of teams paying players who are playing.
It isn’t “playing hard” it’s actually we don’t have legit talent
We are the team paying big contracts out to bad players who we valued incorrectly (Hunter, d2, kj, storr ect)
Bill’s eye for talent sucks and he loves him some good players that would have excelled when Self was in college
@rockchalkjayhawk Duke in November when “Bill hasn’t installed the offense much or - we don’t guard anybody” is completely different than now
Team then = loose and even Bill granted a longer leash to see what he had under the bright lights
Team now = pissed off, different leashes for different guys even though the guys with the longer leashes f up as much as the newbies
People keep bringing Duke up and it was an incredible game but seeing multiple fans at TOS point out that’s how we are and then we get Bill’s standards and install and we immediately tighten up in a bad way. It’s sadly true more years than not and been exacerbated this year because we have guys that are 4-6 year guys and then other 3-4 year players who performed at other power 5 top programs
Bill botched this one and the team has also quit/revolted against him. Kj and d2 try but that’s about it. They are so limited it is pathetic but man don’t tell that to Bill as he will go to the grave that Kj is the most impactful player to ever play at KU and d2 is the greatest pg off all time. He’s delirious
@SlimShaddy54 true dat! Wish we almost had L’s and instead were racking up Dubs!
@Texas-Hawk-10 Setting the expectation upfront….you gotta be in sales too lol
What’s the goal - why are we doing this - make the client/kids tell you and then tailor what you do from there
Genius
@approxinfinity aghhh that’s a tough one
If it is true Oats wants to come here I don’t think we lose DP and Flory. I think Adidas steps up so with or without Bill I don’t think it matters.
Now to play the game if the options are Oats and transfers but lose DP and Flory or have Bill and those 2 - I want DP more than Oats so can wait 1 more year lol
Bills gonna butcher it and mess something up about that squad and we won’t run anywhere close to like we should. Good chance the 1 and 4 are young, unproven and will tick Bill off with their play and he will defer to more senior’d guys who are in the right positions (can’t make the plays but hey they are at least standing on the court where he wants them) but limit the March ceiling
My confidence in Bill is below zero much like the current roster
@BeddieKU23 Bill with DP thinks next year is his year
Book it
Won’t win the big 12
Lose in the sweet 16 to a higher seed
He will have diggy eating minutes and DP throwing it into the post to “run the offense” his way
His brand of basketball has always been unappealing. Roy never won titles but boy were his teams fun to watch.
The 2008/2022 teams almost collapsed multiple times in the tournament to severely lesser teams because of how Bill likes to limit possessions and win rock fights.
It is the exact opposite of what you do if you had his kind of talent. It’d be like Ohio state wanting to slow it down and limit possessions on Notre dame - that’s what Norte dame would have wanted to give them a better chance - shorten the game
@DCHawker putting it all on those 2 guys? Heck no - I listed 5 when you count how he handled the big 3……
This is well past two players but it’s shown how those guys were successful elsewhere and they come here and struggle
That’s because of Self and his bad system/philosophy
@focojayhawk 100% well said and I think you are right
I’ve dogged on Self and truly do think it’s his problem as he brought all these turds in but those guys still had chances to adjust their attitude and they haven’t