Graham to KU
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Graham looks to be a very solid player, but I can understand why he took a while to get noticed.
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He’s not an eye popping athlete. He’s your basic 6-2 or 6-3 guy. He doesn’t blow your mind with his hops or speed. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a good athlete, but he’s definitely not John Wall or Derrick Rose or somebody like that.
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He’s a good but not great shooter. We aren’t talking about a Conner Frankamp type marksman here. He’s a guy you can’t leave open, but not an outright gunner.
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His skills are solid across the board. Good, but not great size. Good but not astonishing handles. Good shooter. Good athlete. Good this, good that. I bet when he was at camps he was always the fourth or fifth best player in the pickup game. Good enough that you knew he wasn’t the worst player out there, but not a standout. It takes time to get noticed when you always blend into the fabric.
That said, I think that makes him the perfect addition to this particular team. KU doesn’t need a PG to come in and score 15 points a game and push the ball with blinding speed, break down the defense, etc. KU needs a PG that can play PG and just run the show. Alexander, Oubre, Ellis, Selden, etc. will take care of the flash. Graham just needs to run the team and defend out front. I think he can do that perfectly fine.
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http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/04/30/3823959/graham-narrows-list-to-nc-state.html
This should help explain
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Now the question becomes, what role will Graham, Mason, & Frankamp play? Who starts? Mason & Frankamp have the inside track, simply from having a year of college basketball experience and getting comfortable in Self’s system for a year. Frankamp impressed in the tournament. Mason garnered more minutes last season. My guess is the initial battle will be between those two. However, Graham is coming in with with comments made that he is a plus defender. After last season, you know Self is dying to get back to playing tough M2M defense. If Graham can provide that, he may take over the starting spot at some point. My hope is Self finds minutes for all 3, but it will be tough with 3 other perimeter players - Selden, Oubre, & Greene. A 6 man perimeter rotation doesn’t seem likely, at least not in terms of “rotation level minutes”.
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@icthawkfan316 I hope Conner Frankamp doesn’t become the basketball version of Jake Sharp. I watched almost all of Sharp’s home games in High School and my jaw was on the ground at every game - he was unbelievable. (I know High School and College aren’t the same)
I just get this sick feeling that Conner isn’t going to get nearly enough pt as he should. I hope I’m wrong, I hope he works so hard that he FORCES Self to put him on the court a lot.
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@icthawkfan316 If Graham is truely the 3rd best point guard in the 2014 class after Mundiey and Jones then Its his to lose. Some folks are saying he is but I will hold out on who I think starts until the alumni games before I make any forcasts.
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Overall, very good news for the pt. guard position. If Graham is patient, he well could be THE GUY by midFebruary. In the meantime, I hope to see Mason become a more sound decision maker, optioning for occasional assists when he drives to the hoop. And I really REALLY hope to see Frankamp glean enough minutes that he becomes comfortable, relaxed and focused with his potentially devastating outside shooting. Both of those current guards are likely to develop in leaps and bounds before November. If Graham is as good as forecast, and gets with the system by the middle of the regular league season, this Jayhawk squad should be much more reliable come late March and April.
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Anybody else feel like we just hit triples 7s at the casino? I know I do. Naadir, thank you for your tenure here. Welcome, Devonte’ ( I might just call him apostrophe ).
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If Graham is truely the 3rd best point guard in the 2014 class after Mundiey and Jones then Its his to lose.
@Statmachine Not necessarily. Graham is #36 on rivals list this year. Last year, Connor Frankamp was #34 on rivals. Doesn’t really matter how many players are in front of you at your position; it could just mean it’s a weak class for point guards. Doesn’t really make you any better than you are. EJ was ranked #24 overall, but was only the 4th best PG in the class (and remember he had to sit two years behind guys like Tyshawn, Brady, & Reed. Nothing was his to lose based on his ranking). It’s difficult to compare players from different classes because each class is different. The #1 player one year might only be good enough to be the #8 player another year. What we do know is that CF (as well as Mason) has a year experience in the system, which is why I give them the early nod.
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@icthawkfan316 You’re right. That is the question. My guess is one starts at the point, one backs the other up and the 3rd has a hard time seeing much pt. Same as this past year. Greene and Oubre will both likely get pt and we know that Selden will start. Somebody will be the odd man out. Same thing up front between Mickelson and Lucas. One is the 4th big guy and the other has a hard time seeing the court.
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@Hawk8086 I think Frankamp can back Selden at the 2 if graham is at 1, that way we don’t have 2 short defenders in at the same time. I think Mason will back graham at 1. Nice option to have some different combos.
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Am I the only one but does this seem a little said? Nadir announces he’s leaving and then right away Graham commits. Out with the old and in with the new. Amateur sports is a tough business. I know that it is all probably for the best…but I thought that Tharpe would have a chance to redeem himself.
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@Crimsonorblue22 But that is 4 guys playing. Add Greene and Oubre and you have 6 guards / wings. Though I 'd like to see it, I can’t see all of those guys playing based on Self’s history.
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Hey…
I’m the guy that mentioned trying to go a bit smaller in the post, but quicker. It is always something to see a 5 out on the open court breakaway.
That doesn’t happen much in college. Surprised it doesn’t happen more.
I’ve been wanting to see Bam-Bam in that role. On the defensive rebound, steal, or even out of bounds, he beats his man down court.
Let’s face it… Self doesn’t focus on open court basketball. Sometimes I wish he did, especially when we have some super hotrods on the court.
If we would run a bit more we could keep opposing team’s offenses a bit more in check, worrying about our breakaways.
And nothing lifts momentum more than that!
One of my biggest criticisms this year was the lack of breakaways. It motivates and gets motors running!
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@Hawk8086 I think it’s sad too!
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@Hawk8086 oubre and Greene at the 3.
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@drgnslayr Oubre and Alexander are both what I consider the alfa dogs, their both aggressive, and no one has to tell them to be aggressive. Add in Selden, Mason, and Traylor even though its a small line up they will intimidate opponents/get all the lose balls and punish teams by driving in the lane taking fouls with a smile (while pounding their chest or ripping off their superman shirts lol). Looking their opponents they just knocked down in the eyes as if to say stick that in your pipe and smoke it! Those 5 have enough mental toughness to crush opposing teams spirits. We have Landen Lucas as a bruiser inside or Hunter Mickelson for a shot blocking presents and Conner Frankamp for that 3pt threat. We have enough bigs to keep our bigs fresh so I’m not too worried about the rotation. Ellis is our sharp shooter that I think will lead our team in scoring and If he doesn’t that only means our other bigs are nasty good or more effective! This team has my attention!
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Don’t look now, but Zach Peters has just quit AZ basketball due to “health” concerns. Whoda’ thunk Texas football would ever ruin this kid? HEM? See, I remember…Guess he wasn’t 6’10" & bulletproof after all.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Yes. But that is six guys playing 3 positions. I don’t think that is going to happen.
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I watched the Graham highlights again for the third time. I think we have a killer there. He is such a better ball handler than Tharpe…wow. That’s aggressive authority, folks. We can teach him to quit throwing the ball away, and not try to take all the shots, but we can’t teach him heart and passion. I think this kid wants to be great, and he’s found the right place to do it. I think we hit a grand slam. I think Coach Self is amazing.
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@globaljaybird You seriously have too good of a memory. I remember suggesting I would have never let my kid play football with a basketball scholarship on the line … took some serious grief for that one.
But I’ll be interested to see what the health issues are, if it’s just concussion stuff.
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Ok … question. Assuming Mudiay is an OAD, would you rather have Mudiay for one season, or Graham for three?
Nothing better than OAD talk, is there?
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@HighEliteMajor I read somewhere back in the day that his brother had a bball scholly and got hurt just before college. Never the less his parrents just let his older brother play one sport so he didnt ruin his scholly and he still got hurt. His parrents then let his younger brother (Zach) do whatever because they shielded his older brother and he still got hurt. I think that family is injury prone. This post is badly written but who cares i am drinkin and having fun lol.
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@HighEliteMajor Graham for 3 because we have some guys capable of great things to come over the next 3 years atm. Could be like florida and win it 2 years in a row. Or like UK and make 3 final four runs over the next 4 years. Our roster when matured or when our guys reach their college ceiling we will haunt childrens dreams. Cant imagine how bad Fred Hoiberg’s kids will cry over then next 6-9 games. Brutal!
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@HighEliteMajor Assuming Graham plays to his new ranking, I’d take him for 3. If he plays like Tharpe for 3 years…
(sorry to the crowd feeling sorry for Tharpe).
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Huditioning
@ralster THIS is my favorite word of 2014. Bravo!
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@HighEliteMajor I’m oft accused of “selective memory” by the other half. Surely there’s nothing to that…
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OK, statmachine’s post about alfa dogs made me consider what types of player mentality we have on the team. So here’s my list of current KU players with alpha-dog tendencies (on-court):
Cliff Alexander – his reputation for consistent, aggressive play precedes his arrival.
Jamari Traylor – Has always had that ‘look’ in his eye, and now that he’s developing skills, his play is getting more and more aggressive. I mean, damn, compare his drives to the hoop vs those of slo-mo Niang…(beginning with the Duke game, continuing through to the Tourney win over EKY (which we only won due to Traylor’s 18/15).
Kelly Oubre – aggressive player in almost every respect. Trying to dunk over the top of a 6’9 brute like Cliff Alexander tells me a lot.
Brannen Greene – Almost every time we saw his limited mpg, he showed some fire. No doubt he has that ornery streak that Self loves. And a 40+% trey gun, cold off the bench? Breakout season coming up. All around skill improvement will happen, so lookout!
Frank Mason – No doubt this bulldog is an alpha. He is fearless. His trey gun got better, and will continue to get better. I love his defensive effort as much as I like his aggression. People are selling short his improved court vision as he got more experienced (he would have had 6 more assts vs Stanford if paint buckets were converted by Ellis/Traylor). Yes, you can put the ball in his hands to go-get-a-bucket, ask Duke. You cant be a historic-proportions scorer in h.s. without having that “sherron” mindset. I think Frank starts as PG, is my hunch. Just think combination of RussRob, Tyshawn, Sherron in 1 pkg. (that’s a NC and a NCgame run with those 3 guys). Pattern-recognition, folks…Mason fits Self’s desires, and he most definitely has an alpha-attack brain. Most importantly, his team knows. There is no doubt. Plays and screens will be run crisper, without hesitation. The edge we are looking for.
The unknowns are Selden, Lucas, Frankamp. Selden showed flashes, Lucas showed he isnt to be pushed around, but at times got boxed out. Frankamp seems like the quiet assassin type, much like Ellis…but these guys are young, lets see how they develop.
Let me say this about Frankamp and Ellis: they will be integral key pieces on a team with other aggressive & physical type players. These quiet guys will then shine as assassins. There play level will increase, because they arent the focus or trying to carry the team themselves. Absolutely perfect example of this phenomenon was jr. season Elijah, who just killed opponents while all the focus was on Tyshawn attacking and Thomas Robinson+Withey in the post. Travis Releford is another great example. Ellis and Frankamp may not exude aggressive energy like TRob or Sherron, but they most definitely will feed off of it from others. That sort of team balance I think we just may have in the mix now…
Devonte Graham remains to be seen. He will have a real eye opener in KU practices. We’ll soon find out what he’s made of, just like we have a good idea on Frank Mason.
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@ralster agree, but I think Selden will be in your dog group too!
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Here’s just a wild speculation on Graham: Kid has a 40% trey gun? Could he become a Chalmers-type player? How’s his on-ball D? Court-vision and chemistry gets better and better as you learn your teammates tendencies and physical abilities and foot speed, so that part will take time, especially for a Bill Self guard. Most importantly, how is Graham’s footwork and defensive instincts? Cannot mention Chalmers without realizing he had such an uncanny knack for anticipating passes, even more than Russell Robinson. So now we judge all subsequent combo guards by the standards set by Chalmers/Robinson. (& Sherron). As we should–> excellence needs to be fostered and maintained.
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@ralster Simply coming to Kansas has the uncanny knack of knocking off about 10-15% from any kid’s high school three point shooting percentage, right? See, White, Greene, Frankamp, Mason, Selden.
Graham’s reputation, from doing some minor poking around the internet, is that he is considered a strong on the ball defender.
This type of guy seems … seems … to be the absolutely perfect signing for a coach Self coached team. Possible 4 year guy, top 50, solid defensively, complete game, etc. And say it with me – “he’s not an OAD.” God bless America.
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@ralster @HighEliteMajor Regarding Graham’s trey gun, don’t expect it to be 40% out of the gate. It has nothing to do with coming to KU, but more with coming to college. Awhile back Jaybate was being critical of Selden & Wiggins 3-point percentages (questioning “how were they ever going to make it in the league?” ), and provided several of the Big 12’s sharpshooters as better 3 point gunners. Kane, Forte, Markel Brown, Erron Harris, some others I forget. So I did some research, and in every case the freshman seasons of the players mentioned was significantly worse than their current percentage that earned them such respect as shooters, and in fact Wiggins & Selden were shooting better than all the players mentioned (at the time of the post. Don’t hold me to how they finished. Regardless, should be comparable).
So…this year we shouldn’t expect the 40% trey gun from Graham, but look for the percentages to improve on guys like Greene, Selden, Frankamp & Mason. I am very excited to see how Graham plays defense.
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@icthawkfan316 nice research! We’ve seen what Cliff and oubre can do, anxious to see graham. Cautiously optimistic!
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I agree about being done with recruiting. At this point there are no players left that would even sniff playing time at KU. I would be in favor of giving the scholarship to one of the wall-ons that work hard helping make the team better.
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I guess a lot depend on how you define “alpha dog.” Are you talking about being aggressive or being a leader? I can think of a lot of players that are very aggressive that I would not call leaders and the opposite is also true, where you have players that are not outwardly aggressive but are true leaders.
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@icthawkfan316 Excellent point on the three point shooting.
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@JayHawkFanToo who do you see being a leader next year? I see aggressive, but not sure about leader. Is it possible to be a leader and not be aggressive? Perry?
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The 3pt shooting is something Self has made mention to in the first days of May on the radio. I was listning to him on the radio and he was saying that he was un sure who would be starting at the point but he did say he was toying with the idea of playing a 3 at the 4 for an extended period of time. That would have to be AW3 or Selden simply because both of them are beefy enough to box out a 4 if they need to. I suppose Brannen Greene could pack on some muscle this summer but he would have to hit the gym pretty hard. He is 6’7 and might fit the bill? Either way KU has enough quality 3pt shooters that we could really use them to punnish smaller teams.
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@Statmachine coach did put Greene at 4, forgot what game. It was at the end of year.
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I love your optimism! That’s what I like to hear going into summer so I think positive about Jayhawk basketball in my garden.
Right on!
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Enjoyed your alpha-dog post.
The one missing piece in your post is ‘synergy’…
What will be the overall energy of this team?
I believe our “instigators of alpha” will be Cliff, Kelly and Frank.
Then comes the players they most influence; Bam-Bam, Wayne and Brannen. Lucas will probably fit in here, too.
The players that will be a little harder to “alpha-dogize” will be Perry and Conner.
The real unknown is Devonte. I believe he will either fit in immediately as an instigator or will be heavily influenced by them.
So lets look at our choices for PG; first, the uber-alpha Frank. Second, the mixed pedigree, part alpha and part cerebral Devonte. Third, the cerebral Conner. Sounds whacky… but perhaps the mixture of the three is what we need to dial in a winning energy level for each situation. If we are getting beat by a guard tandem that is putting on high pressure, maybe Conner is our man to take care of the ball and pass it into the post. Maybe we are playing a mellow team and Frank is our guy to go on a vicious attack. Perhaps Devonte fits with balanced teams.
I believe we are in for a much different (and improved) synergy this year. I wish the best for Naadir, but I don’t think he was going to fit into an alpha team.
I thought ISU was the best alpha team in our league last year. It definitely helped them over the hump and play around most of their inadequacies.
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I while back I had purchased the book “Beyond the Phog…”, which Jason King the author and Tyshawn Taylor had signed.I had misplaced the book and found it recently and on a trip I took this past week I had a chance to read it. Highly recommended.
The book is a collection of interviews with players and coaches from the last dozen years and gives great inside into the inner workings of the program and the personalities of coaches and players. It is interesting to see how the perception we have of players and coaches can be quite different than the perception players have of each other. Quiet players that we don’t see as leaders can be quite influential in the locker room and off the court, i,e. true leaders.
In any case, what I am driving at is that you don’t have to be ubber aggressive to be a leader; many of the better leaders are quiet, laid back and lead by example. As far as who I think will be the leader next season? I think that Ellis can be the type of quiet leader that gets the team on an even keel. He is not an in-your-face type of leader but one that can be a steadying influence. I also think that Selden can develop into a true on-the-court leader; we saw glimpsed of it last season and he can develop into an aggressive, alpha dog leader.
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@JayHawkFanToo good insight! I think the pt needs to be a leader. I could see Perry growing into a leadership role from watching post game interviews. He got more comfortable as the season went on. It was tough listening to him early on, but his confidence grew. Do you think a bb leader needs a high bb IQ?
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@icthawkfan316 I would love to see a Bill Self team that bombs more 3’s. Last year when the ball when in the air from behind the arc I just assumed it was not going in. This is not really due to a team of guys who can’t shoot…it is partially how Bill coached last years team. He obviously did not like guys jacking up 3’s and is notorious for the quick hook. I feel a big year coming on for both Greene and Frankamp from deep. Both guys have as pure a stroke as you will ever see. They just need to be on the floor enough to get in rhythm. There is a lot of talk above about who the odd man out is going to be and who is going to start and who is going to watch from the bench. Of course there is a lot to be seen but I truly truly hope that both Greene and Frankamp are on the floor a lot. Every year in March I realize how important having guys who can shoot 3’s can be. It was one of many things our squad lacked last season. Rock Chalk.
