Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Oh, yeah… also that Seattle retirement home was an early hot spot… Canadian immigrants?
So if your saying shutting down the borders was no help. Then what was Trump supposed to do that would have made you smile?
Please avoid putting words in my mouth and then asking a deflective question.
The previous message implied that when Trump shut down the borders quickly, it was a significant move in the effort to slow the virus.
My question is simple: how did shutting down the borders significantly slow the spread of the virus?
Based on my understanding, the virus doesn’t discriminate based on visas or citizenship.
I reiterate what seems like a relevant observation: ski resorts were an early hotspot. Not to mention seniors in retirement homes, people on cruise ships, TSA officers at airports. None of these seem like hubs of immigrant activity. Au contraire! It suggests that it was spread by people with the means to travel.
These may be inconvenient facts that don’t fit into a particular narrative about borders, walls and immigrants.
So again I ask? you think the borders should Be open? As they have no effect on curbing the spread of the coronavirus? Not putting words in your mouth. It’s called a question.
I asked a question that you clearly won’t answer. I didn’t say it… You did. And you won’t explain it.
Done.
Oh I’ve said many times I th8nk closing the borders is a great idea.
Nice.
That’s not what you said and not what I was asking you to explain.
Stop twisting.
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I’m truly confused
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I’m all for closing the borders. It’s simple. Don’t want more Infected individuals coming into the country
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m truly confused
Sadly, we agree on this.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m truly confused
Sadly, we agree on this.
It’s better than making no sense
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I think I understand now your question. When you have a open border mentality and you just want to allow anybody and everybody to come into Your state city or country then you increase the risk of disease virus or criminal activity to explode in your said city state and country. Hope that answers your question
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I’m all for closing the borders. It’s simple. Don’t want more Infected individuals coming into the country
Great. I’m all for creating a vaccine.
Neither of these points were what we were talking about.
What a waste of time.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I think I understand now your question. When you have a open border mentality and you just want to allow anybody and everybody to come into Your state city or country then you increase the risk of disease virus or criminal activity to explode in your said city state and country. Hope that answers your question
You are a troll.
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And I think your a idiot
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
And I think your a idiot
Well done.
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Well done what?
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@bskeet a troll doesn’t Spend The amount of time I have been on the kubuckets talking about KU and politics. I don’t think you understand the definition of a troll.
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This paragraph pretty much sums it up: “ Trump’s daily jousts with the media recreate the adversarial dynamic of his 2016 campaign and much of his earlier presidency and invite his supporters to adopt his narrative of events rather than fact-based critiques of his conduct. This has been a successful device in the past to cement the anti-establishment President with his followers.”
Full opinion piece here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html
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https://twitter.com/alx/status/1247949703146278914
Stuff like this isn’t helping.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1247949703146278914
Stuff like this isn’t helping.
awful.
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@BShark nor this: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/media/pence-office-tv-bookings-coronavirus/index.html
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@DoubleDD I hope it works out for them and their hospitals do not get overwhelmed. They may have less dense population centers, and sparse gatherings may be more natural for them? The article does that indicate that the rate of infection is acelerating and their policy will likely have to be reevaluated soon. Hopefully they aren’t squandering a chance to control the outbreak better like UKs herd immunity plan. https://fortune.com/2020/04/06/uk-boris-johnson-coronavirus-icu-herd-immunity/
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD I hope it works out for them and their hospitals do not get overwhelmed. They may have less dense population centers, and sparse gatherings may be more natural for them? The article does that indicate that the rate of infection is acelerating and their policy will likely have to be reevaluated soon. Hopefully they aren’t squandering a chance to control the outbreak better like UKs herd immunity plan. https://fortune.com/2020/04/06/uk-boris-johnson-coronavirus-icu-herd-immunity/
Actually I can’t believe they’re are handling the virus this way. Social distancing and staying at home seems to be working. However there seems to be a lot of pressure to get the world economy going again.
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@DoubleDD Our own hesitation to act, then becoming the clear epicenter of the world should serve as a cautionary tale.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Our own hesitation to act, then becoming the clear epicenter of the world should serve as a cautionary tale.
Haha you know I don’t agree with that. However I think when this virus is put back in its cage. A lot of truths will come out. We shall see?
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@DoubleDD The stats seem bad. You can continue to make excuses for Idiot in Chief.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html
You have access to the ny times? I do wish I could read this article. Can you help?
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@benshawks08 nobody wants to watch pence! His job is to hold those cards up and repeat the same thing every day. It’s like watching paint dry. He’s a puppet.
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Does opening it in incognito mode work @DoubleDD? That’s all I got. I don’t subscribe
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Does opening it in incognito mode work @DoubleDD? That’s all I got. I don’t subscribe
Ah crap I was hoping you could open it up. That’s alright though bubba. I’m not subscriber either. Sometimes the website will let me in.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html
You have access to the ny times? I do wish I could read this article. Can you help?
Intel folks are saying China way underreports the impact of COVID. They warned the White House in February about how bad it will get with little response. Nobody really knows how many died in China since they don’t test a lot of people.
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@FarmerJayhawk this is my shocked face
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@BShark yep
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I deleted my last post. I was being a dick. What matters is we Americans rise up.
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There are likely to be case definition changes as early as Monday on what is an instance of coronavirus. This definition is likely to include presumed positives as positives which will cause the incidence levels to increase significantly in all models.
Ideally this should result in showing a more prolonged period that the curve has been flattened if we have effective social distancing practices.
Literally and figuratively, hold your breath.
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No politics just this interview just blows my mind. It’s crazy. Lol I love it.
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This story is BANANAS https://twitter.com/ericliptonnyt/status/1249009586905939968?s=21
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This story is BANANAS https://twitter.com/ericliptonnyt/status/1249009586905939968?s=21
And there it is. A coherent timeline from an insider. Chaos.
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Here’s more along those same lines. I think this story does a good job breaking down failures and successes based on promises made by the administration in March. https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/832797592/a-month-after-emergency-declaration-trumps-promises-largely-unfulfilled
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And it went out with a dud. So sorry. Guys.
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Welp , this here right now has nothing to do with the virus. This has nothing to do with President Trump. - What this has to do is just another example of that Maggot Nancy Pelosi letting her ass over load her mouth ONE MORE TIME.
Pelosi at her little 5,000 a plate banquet made the incredible statement showing her total ignorance once again her stupidity saying well People in this Country who need things like Welfare and food stamps, yes it’s income assistance - - WE help them get back on their feet when times are tough. Great Nancy that’s not the moronic statement & words that spew out that mouth THIS IS THE IDIOTIC STATEMENT :
Her she is making crazy statements about Seniors on Social Security. She says " These people are Leeches - -All they do is suck from the public teat , and Take , Take , and Take. - -Really ? Screw you Nancy. Nancy goes on and says They ( Seniors ) are not taking Government money temporally , They ( Seniors ) have no intentions of rejoining the work force and once again becoming productive members of Society. - - Well dam Nancy ya think? - -Hell no were not planning on returning to the work force - -WHY ? - Because were Seniors you fricken idiot I’ve done my years in the work force, I would still be working if it wasn’t from Back surgeries that put me out. I would love to still be working.
Govt Money? - - Govt Money my ass. It’s my money, money they took out all these years so there WOULD be a Social Security for me when I grew old fricking idiot. She says ( Seniors ) that we just want to take forever and want no conditions placed on the money - -Hell no, I don’t need conditions placed on MY MONEY.
Here we go another brilliant statement out the mouth: Social Security recipients are NOTHING MORE then a Burden on Society, Anyone who thinks this bitch is worth any kind of a tinkers dam then you must of dropped what brains you got on the ground floor before the elevator started to go up - -HOLY CRAP - -BATMAN.
Good OLD Nancy and the Democratic party want to Eliminate the Seniors Income and Medical programs that we the ( Seniors ) have been paying into all our lives.
These wonderful outstanding individuals - -Cortez & Omar stated/called Social Security and the Medical " Entitlements " - -well YIPPEE Einstein that’s EXACTLY what it is - -and Me and every other single dam Senior is ENTITLED - holy crap - - stupid is - -stupid does -there is no defending this insane crap - -don’t even try.
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@jayballer73 This is an example of FAKE NEWS. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-ss-leeches/
That quote is completely made up.
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Be careful out there. Outrageous, sensational content is highly infectious. Facebook and other social media are to fake news what a hand rail on a NYC subway is to Covid-19.
@jayballer73 I would like to know where you found that info.
People who want to manipulate public perceptions are producing this stuff and targeting it.
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@bskeet Stuff like this is what really frustrates me about Trump calling CNN, NY Times, and other news outlets he doesn’t like, “Fake News.” It totally muddles the media landscape and gets in the way of identifying truly FAKE news sources that target folks based on their internet activity. Fake News is such a huge problem, just not at all in the way Trump rages on about. There is a huge difference between protecting a source by keeping them anonymous and making up sources, quotes, and content out of the blue to play on people’s biases.
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@benshawks08 @bskeet And it is even more frustrating that the most vociferous denouncers of “fake news” are the FOX watchers who disseminate shit like this with nary a critical thought in their bodies.
Incidentally, the “block” button in this site is simply awesome!
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@mayjay I’m trying not to create my own dangerous little bubble where I only read stuff I agree with but it is a lot of work sometimes.
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@benshawks08 I read all types of stuff I don’t agree with. George Will is one of my favorite authors. I almost always read every column by right wingers printed in my paper. I read lots of stories about Lindsey Graham, even Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, including articles they author.
But there are a couple of people here who just bitch and moan and attack, and add less than nothing to discourse. Why bother?
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 This is an example of FAKE NEWS. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-ss-leeches/
That quote is completely made up.
Says who? Democrat side of the political party? - -how do you know what you are pulling up is not fake it’self. - just because the article YOU pulled up says different? - -so that makes it fake? - - Nope - -not happening - Just because you found something that says otherwise? - -how do I know that IT is true = = because it shows different then what I posted ? - -that makes it true ? - -OH OK gotcha
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet Stuff like this is what really frustrates me about Trump calling CNN, NY Times, and other news outlets he doesn’t like, “Fake News.” It totally muddles the media landscape and gets in the way of identifying truly FAKE news sources that target folks based on their internet activity. Fake News is such a huge problem, just not at all in the way Trump rages on about. There is a huge difference between protecting a source by keeping them anonymous and making up sources, quotes, and content out of the blue to play on people’s biases.
understand - you mean like the things other Media says that Trump talks about. - -ONE vicious circle huh - -the old he said - - she said. - -maybe we just don’t listen to anything - - anyone ya that’s beter
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@mayjay said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 @bskeet And it is even more frustrating that the most vociferous denouncers of “fake news” are the FOX watchers who disseminate shit like this with nary a critical thought in their bodies.
Incidentally, the “block” button in this site is simply awesome!
show me where the block buton is here I’ll be more then happy to block buton should be fun
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@jayballer73 Hit me with a link then, friend. I did some searching on the quote and the content and everything I find says it’s a fake story from a while ago that has resurfaced for some reason now. The original came from a site that begins with “Everything on this website is fiction. It is not a lie and it is not fake news because it is not real. If you believe that it is real, you should have your head examined. Any similarities between this site’s pure fantasy and actual people, places, and events are purely coincidental and all images should be considered altered and satirical. See above if you’re still having an issue with that satire thing.” http://archive.vn/UXjQS#selection-231.0-231.407
