Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@bskeet i never hear a black American saying the Dem party did this for me and my family. Never. It’s always the reps are racist.
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That political post on social media or a chat room changed my mind… said no one ever. I always try to agree to disagree (I do fail at it at times) like I did with @approxinfinity about news outlets these days. We see it differently, but I still like @approxinfinity and respect him. I agree with @justanotherfan that free press is important, but we wouldn’t argue for a week if I didn’t. @DoubleDD you are a republican, nothing wrong with that. Most on here are Democrats, that’s fine too. It’s not hard to find dirt on either party. Let’s move on friends.
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@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
That political post on social media or a chat room changed my mind… said no one ever. I always try to agree to disagree like I did with @approxinfinity about news outlets these days. I 100 agree with @justanotherfan tgat free press is important. We see it differently, but I still like @approxinfinity and respect him. @DoubleDD you are a republican, nothing wrong with that. Most on here are Democrats, that’s fine too. It’s not hard to find dirt on either party.
My friend I’m no Republican but I respect what you posted. It’s your thoughts and feelings. It’s crazy I know! But I don’t blame Presidents I blame Congress.
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@DoubleDD Congress is an issue right now because they would have to issue a nationwide stay at home. The president doesn’t have that power.
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@bskeet the problem with Trump is he divides. I’d vote against him in a heart beat, but Dem party and it’s voters gave us Biden a man losing his mind and Sanders a full blown socialist. Tell me how I’m supposed to vote one of these over Trump?
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@kjayhawks i know you don’t vote party line tickets. Your like me if you don’t know then you don’t vote.yet some posters on here Believe you. Have to vote Dem no matter what. Because reps are racist. Yet with a quick study of history we find the Dems are racist. Prove me wrong posters! What has the Dem party done for the black American?
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@kjayhawks I haven’t yet searched but I haven’t figured out where Congress gets that power. They can suspend habeas corpus but that only allows arrests without having to justify it to a court. And Congress can only do that during a rebellion or invasion.
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@mayjay found this interesting. Wondering how far something like this could go:
On that day, Hannity said, “They’re scaring the living hell out of people and I see it as, like, ‘Oh, let’s bludgeon Trump again with this new hoax.’”
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@approxinfinity Interesting, but not far. Dylan’s post about stupid people cleaning up the gene pool might be applicable.
But it might be fun watching Trump’s favorite network using Times v. Sullivan to defend itsel b/c he wants that ruling overturned.
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@mayjay not sure how his lawyers could use Times vs Sullivan, unless they are saying they are an extension of Trump? (Or he an extension of them?
was that judge humor you dropped on me?)
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Just that it protects media expressing opinion on public officials. I will have to read the suit.
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I got you. Its a slippery slope and a potential attack vector on free speech.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@kjayhawks i know you don’t vote party line tickets. Your like me if you don’t know then you don’t vote.yet some posters on here Believe you. Have to vote Dem no matter what. Because reps are racist. Yet with a quick study of history we find the Dems are racist. Prove me wrong posters! What has the Dem party done for the black American?
The Civil Rights Acts were helpful. More recently NAFTA.
I don’t like these lawsuits at all. Downplaying COVID is pretty clearly protected speech. The Court should definitely toss the suit.
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I am suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, and I feel badly about that, so I guess it is best to track our great leader in his own words.
As an addendum, we now have over 300,000 known cases in the US, more than twice as many as any other ccountry. 8,000+ deaths. Adding more than 12% every day.
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Awesome. Toilet plume can remain suspended a meter in the air for hours? Too bad no public toilets have lids even if people wanted to put them down.
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I can’t even fathom using a public bathroom right now.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I can’t even fathom using a public bathroom right now.
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@mayjay said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I am suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, and I feel badly about that, so I guess it is best to track our great leader in his own words.
As an addendum, we now have over 300,000 known cases in the US, more than twice as many as any other ccountry. 8,000+ deaths. Adding more than 12% every day.
You are extremely smart person. You really think China is telling the truth?
Also let’s not forget we are a nation of open borders. Some of these other countries are not. Maybe they Are racist? Sorry. Uncalled for. My bad.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Awesome. Toilet plume can remain suspended a meter in the air for hours? Too bad no public toilets have lids even if people wanted to put them down.
Never thought about It but you nailed it.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I can’t even fathom using a public bathroom right now.
Until you have no choice. Crazy how the body is like we are going now.
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@mayjay i know you’re not a fox guy, yet give it a look.
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@DoubleDD tracked down the poorly titled NYT Op Ed piece. The piece did not say it was safe to travel to China.
Valid arguments may exist for shutting down the world to travelers originating in China — and shutting down China to the world — as a reasonable public health response. But the World Health Organization explicitly did not advise that any restriction of trade or travel was necessary when it declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern last week, and it still doesn’t. Instead, it has called for exit screening in international airports and domestic hubs in China.
The disease was already here and the travel ban was touted as THE correct action, but it came months too late and allowed travel to the UK, a country whose containment was shit.
Most importantly, the disease was already here and was not contained, while Trump misrepresented all the details and failed to issue any guidance.
Timing matters. Every detail of this administrations response has been late and botched. To try to slap a prize on their travel ban after the fact is a joke.
Trump is the President of the United States. Not some misinformed dude watching news in his house. To explain away his ineptitude as not having the facts at the time is not acceptable.
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Governor of Colorado is reporting that after Trump told him that he had to find his own ventillators (see " I’m not a shipping clerk" etc) FEMA swooped in and cancelled Colorado’s order of 500 ventillators so that they could add the ventillators to the federal stockpile. Shit show.
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/04/coronavirus-colorado-polis-ventilators-fema/
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My neighbors mother passed away because of coronavirus, I learned today. We continued to talk across the yard, and they mentioned that they went to the grocery store yesterday without a mask, repeatedly saying how frustrating it is that people don’t do the right thing, i.e. socially distance. I told them that the CDC posted guidelines on how to make masks and that the biggest threat is not hand Sanitation but airborn droplets that can be suspended indoors for hours. I also suggested that they should go to all delivery If they can.
The lack of information is costing lives. Even people who want to do the right thing can’t because they don’t know what the right thing is.
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@approxinfinity So sorry to hear that. A friend of mine’s neighbor died from COVID-19 a couple of weeks ago. My brother-in-law’s father also died yesterday, though I didn’t hear the cause.
Early on we’d gotten a lot of conflicting information about masks. Trying to find one is the hard part. Have seen several DIY masks out there lately.
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@nwhawkfan sorry to hear about your loss.
about the early information. I think the American public was done a disservice when people were saying “don’t go buy the masks because health professionals need them” because while this criticism was absolutely valid, it was often justified with an accompanying lie “the n95 masks aren’t necessary unless you are a health professional”. That disinformation is very hard to walk back.
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As a fan of lots of different kinds of music, I’m struck by how the list of those lost to the virus is getting younger and younger.
No one style of music seems to be spared…country singer Joe Diffie, jazz trumpeter Wallace Roney, and pop singer-songwriter Adam Schlesinger. (He was in one of my favorite early-2000s bands, Fountains Of Wayne, best known for the song “Stacy’s Mom.” In a sad twist of irony, he also wrote the title song for the movie “That Thing You Do,” co-starring Tom Hanks. )
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Let’s be honest with each other @bskeet you have never voted for a Republican? Why? I mean anybody with half a brain can see the Dem party doesn’t care about black Americans. Again let’s be honest? No where in history has the Dem party done anything for the black American. None? So why keep voting for a party that runs their elections like it’s some kind of plantation?
Let’s be honest, I’ve voted for one democrat for a federal office in my life.
You don’t know me.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I’m somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president – specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it’s a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I’d like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I’m concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I’m worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I’ve done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
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There is so much contradicting on this thing. We ordered some river rock from Menards this past week and paid a ridiculous amount for delivery but are waiting to touch it because of germs. It has sat in our drive since Thursday morning. I will remove the outter plastic tonight and go straight to the dumpster with it. Then Lysol the individual bags all while wear gloves and straight to the shower after.
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@kjayhawks I disinfected groceries right after they arrived today. I had been putting them in the garage including garage fridge prior to disinfecting before this delivery. I thought having everything clean in the house would feel better, but I think now that I felt better just letting it sit with as little interaction as possible and then disinfecting later. not too hard to do with extra fridge. Next time, going back to that.
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@mayjay yeah. But bags have air in them. and he doesn’t demonstrate how to disinfect fresh stuff. Letting it sit imo alleviates a lot of the risk
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@approxinfinity When we did our pick up last week I did the last one and Lysol’d the stuff in my truck. It was cold so we left it in there for 2 hours and wiped off everything with Clorox wipes but some drinks and stuff that I sat in the garage and have sprayed 3 times now. Probably going a touch overboard but may as well be all in at this point.
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Looking into this more Baric’s research credits Doctors Xing-Yi Ge and Zhengli-Li. Microbiology and immunology researchers working at Wuhan Institute for Science and Technology. Certainly very curious.
Link to that for proof: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@mayjay yeah. But bags have air in them. and he doesn’t demonstrate how to disinfect fresh stuff. Letting it sit imo alleviates a lot of the risk
I rinse all of my produce in 140° water, open the bags of delivered groceries by reaching into the bag and pulling up on the bottom to dump them out. I switch gloves after getting everything in, wipe down everything, wash my hands a few times. Then use a fresh wipe to go over door handles, garage door opener buttons etc.
I am not worried about air trapped in bags. If it does worry you, open everything in the garage in front of a fan blowing to the outside.
Anything that doesn’t need refrigeration can be left in your car for an afternoon. Temps can get to 100 or 120, far above the 85 needed to kill the beast. It is actually a fairly fragile virus. Most people get it by inhaling anyway.
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Back to the title of this thread: Fact or opinion? Use of Trump’s miracle drug? https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/peter-navarro-social-scientist-cnntv/index.html
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Back to the title of this thread: Fact or opinion? Use of Trump’s miracle drug? https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/peter-navarro-social-scientist-cnntv/index.html
I’ll just remark about the drug leave the whole President Trump thing alone. I don’t care who it was I think I would have to lean towards the doctor saying it needs time to see - still to many unknowns. I know they have a guy that said it was worth a shot , that’s fine BUT not with my life lol - -no test baby here. as bad as it sounds I think the antidote is just going to take time. - Now I hope that was what you were talking about when you talking miracle drug , I might be barking up the wrong tree lol
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@benshawks08 I can’t even believe here in the U.S. we are having this discussion.
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There is another drug (anti-parasitic) that is claimed to kill coronavirus and needs trials.
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@approxinfinity if it is approved, we need to get tested and get the tests back right away if it just works early. Kinda like tamiflu. Here in our county they’re wanting anyone w/symptoms that weren’t serious enough to be tested to fill out forms so they can track it. Serious data! When I went to dr last week I asked her what they were telling people w/fever and my symptoms. She said to go home and quarantine.
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Very interesting story on trade and drugs. https://reason.com/2020/04/06/why-you-shouldnt-trust-anyone-who-claims-80-percent-of-americas-drugs-come-from-china/
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Anybody listening to the press conference!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Never.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I’m somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president – specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it’s a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I’d like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I’m concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I’m worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I’ve done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didn’t choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.
Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybody’s infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.
I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he could’ve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I don’t agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that you’re really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.
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Thought this was interesting
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@DoubleDD is that really interesting? He said nothing of substance. The call was really good? Oh that’s good. Good. I’m, glad it was good. Am I supposed to take Trump’s word on anything as fact or his opinion on anything as qualified?
We all want to talk about coronavirus? Actually no, nobody wants to talk about coronavirus. We want to talk about work. At work.
Addressing your post before the video. I do appreciate that the whole world is dealing with some state of the coronavirus, and the whole world doesn’t have an idiot narcissist like Trump in office, so surely it’s not all his fault that this disease is here. I get that. However, the overall grade he gets is a solid F for his response.
I will just throw out a list of adjectives to describe Trump’s response to the outbreak, since I think we all know the stories or choose to ignore them.
Late, dismissive, uninformed, lying, disowning, deflecting, poorly delegating, not coordinating, distracting, miracle touting, mocking, witholding, self-praising.
Or if you prefer to sum it up… Bullshitting.
Bullshitting his way through the biggest crisis this country has faced since WWII.
And that video was more of the same.
