Liberace Game Thread
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Announcement should be coming around 5pm this evening
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I appreciate your reply.
Look, I understand the bush-league steal at the end of the game given the circumstance. I also understand the vicious block and the stare down was months of frustration, suspension and current lack of playing time flowing out of Silvio. If it had ended there I could explain it away as competitiveness. This went way beyond that.
You say emotion and sports are intertwined. Agreed. However, one has to be able to harness said emotion and channel it in the correct way, something we did not do. Exuberance in victory and sadness in defeat are very different from physically attacking an opponent. And I don’t care who instigated or escalated the situation. As difficult as it is we simply HAVE to have more awareness and control to walk away - especially so due to looming NCAA sanctions.
Lastly, please don’t conflate criticism with not being a Jayhawk. I have followed this program since I was a boy and I want to see it thrive. But it’s getting harder and harder to ignore the string of black marks leveled against this program in recent years. And it’s getting harder and harder to treat them as anomalous or isolated incidents or just part of doing business in the current climate. As much as it pains me to say it, we are trending downward as a program and the brawl will do nothing to alleviate that. The “stool seen round the world” is going to hurt, I promise you. Ironically, getting hit with the stool might have been less painful.
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kjayhawks said:
Prepare for the shirts.
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we will know the outcome at 5 supposedly . The reason is Goolsby is in California dealing with a problem there.
Came across WIBW - so i guess they will say what suspensions are give out - – who is getting suspensions and such.
Dakich and Greenburg on their podcast of ESPN, - -started talking about this will not be a Bill Self decision ,this will not be a Bruce Weber decision – this is an administration decision. - then they talked about if I was a Chancellor or AD- if I kept seeing my institution at the bottom of a document - -things needed to change , pretty much talking about there needed to be a change - -they were saying Coach Self needed to be out. - Will Coach Self at the Helm there have been to many episodes where KU/University being in a negative light - - lack of control. - -They pretty much coming out saying Bill Self needs to be gone
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@tis4tim And I appreciate yours too. Totally agree, the players and coaches have to have more awareness, especially these days. Also appreciate it being hard to ignore the black marks the program’s been getting lately. We’ve always set such a good example and it’s been easy to feel good about the integrity of our program… a lot harder to wear the holier than thou hat these days.
And anybody contributing regularly on these boards as you have over the years is undoubtedly a Jayhawk. Last night was painful and embarrassing. It’s just with all the heaping on of negativity from all sides, and the histrionics from Vitale and the like, I just felt the need to say I think a fight breaking out in sports, while headline grabbing is not the end of the world. We’ll learn from this crap and our program will move forward and someday get back to being an example to others. In the meantime, bring on Tennessee and let’s get back to business.
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StLJhawk said:
We’ll learn from this crap and our program will move forward and someday get back to being an example to others. In the meantime, bring on Tennessee and let’s get back to business.
I can get behind this! Thanks for talking me off the ledge. I appreciate the civil discourse.
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jayballer73 said: “Will Coach Self at the Helm there have been to many episodes where KU/University being in a negative light - - lack of control. - -They pretty much coming out saying Bill Self needs to be gone”
Pardon my language, but f#ck Vitale, Greenberg and anyone else who thinks Self should get fired over a fight breaking out at a sporting event. Yes, it was nasty and extreme, but we didn’t start it and no one was hurt.
If they can make a better case about the NCAA investigation into program violations - AND are willing to give the same punishments to other coaches and programs - then maybe the Self firing option is back on the table. Until then, let announcers announce, players play, coaches coach and board rats… critique and criticize but in the end support the team.
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rockchalkwyo said:
kjayhawks said:
Prepare for the shirts.
As long as the title is Pussy Pounding in Allen I’m ok with that. (Not to be confused with Tyshawn’s own version of midnight madness)
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Bill is going to win the tourney this year just to shut everyone up.
And next season all you’re going to hear about from all the talking heads is how good of a coach Self is and how good of a program he runs here in Kansas.
It’s almost too perfect.
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@Kcmatt7 Is @drgnslayr frying some tortillas or baking some thinly sliced potatoes because that smells like a chip.
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“It looked like James Love came off the bench and threw punches from Kansas State,” Fraschilla told Kurtz. “By the way, that’s the most effort I’ve seen him in three years. And I think David McCormack certainly threw punches and, you know, and was involved in some other stuff there“
Quote from Fran
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StLJhawk said:
jayballer73 said: “Will Coach Self at the Helm there have been to many episodes where KU/University being in a negative light - - lack of control. - -They pretty much coming out saying Bill Self needs to be gone”
Pardon my language, but f#ck Vitale, Greenberg and anyone else who thinks Self should get fired over a fight breaking out at a sporting event. Yes, it was nasty and extreme, but we didn’t start it and no one was hurt.
If they can make a better case about the NCAA investigation into program violations - AND are willing to give the same punishments to other coaches and programs - then maybe the Self firing option is back on the table. Until then, let announcers announce, players play, coaches coach and board rats… critique and criticize but in the end support the team.
I think they were also talking about the whole alleged minor in the athletic dorms --the pot in the dorms the whole car accident with Josh and whatever or who ever I think they’re looking at the whole string of things - -screw the media
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The media is east coast bias and always will be, remember Graysons indefinite suspension for one game
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I wish we could do more than like a post. We need the hilarious emojis!
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KU
12 games for Silvio
2 games for Dave
KSU
8 games for love
3 games for Gordon
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Get ready boys and Girls , they are supposedly getting ready to reveal what the penalities are. - -Not sure where we will find them probably off ESPN. - -I’m listening to the local spots talk program here in Topeka.
They were all guessing the suspensions, kind of surprised I actually came pretty close to what they were thinking - -we will see. - - -I got 7 for Desousa - - -2 for McCormack - - & 1 for Garrett
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I got them from Matt Tait’s twitter
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I kind of figured they’d suspend Silvio beyond the Kstate game in Manhattan.
Seems about right, IMO.
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Here you go. I’m link lazy sometimes.
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Interesting because more than 2 wildcats threw punches from I saw and I didn’t see David hit anyone. I thought he may have a game but damn.
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kjayhawks said:
Interesting because more than 2 wildcats threw punches from I saw and I didn’t see David hit anyone. I thought he may have a game but damn.
pretty reasonable - -fair -glad Garrett no suspension ,had been talk about him getting a game. – I thought sloan might get a game too. I’m ok with it
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Looking at the end of the game on the ESPN site, Self was right in the middle of the brawl and had two of the biggest KU guys by their jerseys (one in each hand, SDS & McCormack, then Garrett and SDS)) and controlled them very well. Liberace struggled with just one guy. HCBS has been hitting the weights!
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@StLJhawk dickitch
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@Gorilla72 self is so much tougher than Bruce!
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@Crimsonorblue22 I hear there’s a cream for that
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@StLJhawk I wouldn’t know, but that guy would need one
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