Kansas vs Duke Game Thread:
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4 guards that can shoot with Doke only got us a final four, who knows.
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark hasn’t worked in years, 16-18 was great with four guards.
The problem, at least as I see it is playing two true centers specifically. Guys with no range at all. We have the pieces to put legit size out there at the 4 spot without completely sacrificing spacing which makes it even more frustrating.
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Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
DanR said:
Dotson is clearly not 100%, but running the hi-lo offense through Big Dave ain’t going to do it either.
Guys were practically running into each other on offense.
I’m very over playing 2 5s at the same time.
FF with four guards and Bill writes it off immediately
Does who those 4 guards are matter?
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@BShark I’m not so sure. The concern was how they would do on defense. Our defense didn’t suck. Duke shot only 36%. We just need to get it together on offense.
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Bwag said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
DanR said:
Dotson is clearly not 100%, but running the hi-lo offense through Big Dave ain’t going to do it either.
Guys were practically running into each other on offense.
I’m very over playing 2 5s at the same time.
FF with four guards and Bill writes it off immediately
Does who those 4 guards are matter?
Sure. And we have 4 guards on this team plenty capable. Especially now that Enaruna has looked way better than I thought he would at this stage.
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Give Tristan, Jalen and Braun all the minutes they can handle.
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@tundrahok I agree I’ve been saying offense is the issue. If we had a guy that could consistently hit that Marcus Morris elbow midrange jumper it would be a different story.
I think Jalen and Tristan are promising at the 4. Wonder what direction Bill will go in.
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I better get off here, I’m too mad and will probably say something very bad. We can fix the turnovers but having zero shooters like last season after Vick left is Killer. You can’t make them pay for double teaming the post without it. We had no business losing that one, if we just played smart for more than 6 minutes.
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approxinfinity said:
Give Tristan, Jalen and Braun all the minutes they can handle.
We see tonight what Self really thinks of Braun and Wilson.
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@BShark Our freshman show promise, but they still look like freshmen. Bill hangs his hat on defense, and the newbies will take a while to figure that out. I can’t see him making any changes just yet.
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Shooting wasn’t the problem 44%
4/11 from three. Just didn’t get enough shots due to the turnovers
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DanR said:
Shooting wasn’t the problem 44%
4/11 from three. Just didn’t get enough shots due to the turnovers
100000%
A normal turnover game and this is an easy win.
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BShark said:
@tundrahok I agree I’ve been saying offense is the issue. If we had a guy that could consistently hit that Marcus Morris elbow midrange jumper it would be a different story.
I think Jalen and Tristan are promising at the 4. Wonder what direction Bill will go in.
Bruh you posted the exact opposite like a week ago. We’re going to be a great team. Get Moss, get Dotson healthy, we’ll be fine.
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@FarmerJayhawk Defense can still be an issue depending on the opponent. Offense was CLEARLY an issue tonight. Can’t shoot, turnover machine.
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We will be fine guys. We out shot them in fg% and 3%. Turnovers can be fixed. We will get it figured out by the Michigan State game
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rockchalkwyo said:
We will be fine guys. We out shot them in fg% and 3%. Turnovers can be fixed. We will get it figured out by the Michigan State game
We have to beat UCLA or BYU to even play MSU most likely. I’M NOT CONVINCED.
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@BShark well we played the stretchiest perimeter team out there and made them look stupid all night. Offense will get a lot better. We’re going to win the league by 3 games.
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We have one play maker, Dotson, who didn’t make plays or lead. Agbaji is not very good off the ball yet. I think the Lightfoot red-shirt is a mistake. Self’s best teams always had a senior who calmed things down simply by being in the right place and doing things correctly.
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I’d rather play a stinker like this the first game of the season than the last one.
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BigBad said:
We have one play maker, Dotson, who didn’t make plays or lead. Agbaji is not very good off the ball yet. I think the Lightfoot red-shirt is a mistake. Self’s best teams always had a senior who calmed things down simply by being in the right place and doing things correctly.
We need Dotson’s ankle to heal. I’d give him mine if I could.
On Mitch, when you read the statement Bill put out it seems fairly clear to me that Bill wishes he had Mitch available but this is what is best for Mitch getting his post grad paid for.
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Our bigs need to finish! Geez!
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BShark said:
We have to beat UCLA or BYU to even play MSU most likely. I’M NOT CONVINCED.
Nah we got it
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We out shot them percentage wise, field goals, 3 point percentage, (yes they made 4 more total) and free throw percentage. Out rebounded them too by 10. One more block then the dookies, one more steal, even in assists. Turnovers - 11 more then them. It was close … Biggus Davus made a bonehead pass, but it could have been us to win Let’s hope we meet the blue dookwads again in the tourney.
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November 5th - - - have to laugh. - - 28 turnovers - -equals 28 less opportunities to score the ball - – - your point guard turns the ball over 6 times - - your opponent only shoots 36 % - -and you only lose by 2.
Bright spot in this game if there can be one - - -Udoka - -making 2-3 from the ft line - - - -75 % free thowing - - atta boy.
This game is behind us - -time to work on ball handling – free throw shooting and all that other good stuff - - Dad gummit - so much for us running the table/perfect Season lol - - -can only laugh/that or find new cuss words - - I’ll laugh. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Look at it this way. If we turn it over ONLY 25 TIMES we win. My lord.
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We got Moss’d.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Look at it this way. If we turn it over ONLY 25 TIMES we win. My lord.
Imagine if they cut that number in half.
I actually don’t feel too terrible about this loss. Just kind of venting with some typing/verbal diarrhea.
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Bosthawk said:
We out shot them percentage wise, field goals, 3 point percentage, (yes they make 4 more total) and free throw percentage. Out rebounded them too by 10. One more block then the dookies, one more steal, even in assists. Turnovers - 11 more then them.
All that ads to a loss. - -final Duke 68 KU -66 - -pretty hard to win when the opponent gets 11 more chances to score - -1st game - - NEXT
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We will be much better with Moss. We will be hard to guard.
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Had a pretty good 8 minute stretch at the beginning of the 2nd half
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Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.
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DanR said:
Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.
Career High and team leading 13 rebounds
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@jayballer73 Yeah, I know. Just wish he would’ve kicked it out to a guard on that last board.
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@jayballer73 padding his stats w/misses
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Well, it’s nice to be old enough to know this game won’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. Honestly, we deserved to lose. But Duke really did too.
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jayballer73 said:
DanR said:
Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.
Career High and team leading 13 rebounds
And? If Self goes back to the 2 big lineup this team WILL NOT reach its potential. This isnt 2010. Our bigs will get exposed on d all season.
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@DanR Agreed. This is almost like a practice game. Good for the film room to teach. We will improve from this. We’ve seen some ugly openers in this thing in past years and recovered.
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Devonte Graham scored 35 tonight in an overtime loss.
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I think Silvio’s impact was greatly overstated. I’m sure he’s rusty but he didn’t show much of anything tonight. He might not see very many minutes.
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BigBad said:
jayballer73 said:
DanR said:
Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.
Career High and team leading 13 rebounds
And? If Self goes back to the 2 big lineup this team WILL NOT reach its potential. This isnt 2010. Our bigs will get exposed on d all season.
Uhhh… we were lights out on defense… their only offense was our offense.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@jayballer73 padding his stats w/misses
Or OR OR maybe - - just maybe rebounding other guys misses when we could actually get a shot up WITHOUT turning the ball over
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BigBad said:
jayballer73 said:
DanR said:
Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.
Career High and team leading 13 rebounds
And? If Self goes back to the 2 big lineup this team WILL NOT reach its potential. This isn’t 2010. Our Big’s will get exposed on d all season.
if you notice and or Heard Self he said that he thought Dave did a pretty decent job in the open floor. - - having 2 Big’s - WAS NOT the reason we lost this game - - - believe that - -when the other team gets up 14 more shots then you because of your turnovers - -When your main Big man only get 4 shot attempts for the ENTIRE game and you lose by two - -IS NOT because of having two Big’s on the floor -that’s a pretty good AND?
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jayballer73 said:
BigBad said:
jayballer73 said:
DanR said:
Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.
Career High and team leading 13 rebounds
And? If Self goes back to the 2 big lineup this team WILL NOT reach its potential. This isn’t 2010. Our Big’s will get exposed on d all season.
if you notice and or Heard Self he said that he thought Dave did a pretty decent job in the open floor. - - having 2 Big’s - WAS NOT the reason we lost this game - - - believe that - -when the other team gets up 14 more shots then you because of your turnovers - -When your main Big man only get 4 shot attempts for the ENTIRE game and you lose by two - -IS NOT because of having two Big’s on the floor -that’s a pretty good AND?
100% YES ABSOLUTELY
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Idk a starting line-up with three guys that can’t shoot sure doesn’t help. That said we did see that bully ball can work, gotta clean up the TOs.
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@BShark which 3, I got 4
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And we didn’t even have our best shooter.
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I cooled down after a shower, I got a little heated there sorry folks. Just disappointed in the last few days here. Lost a game we thought would be a good one Saturday, then complete blow this game with turnovers. Rough week for the hawks.
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kjayhawks said:
I cooled down after a shower, I got a little heated there sorry folks. Just disappointed in the last few days here. Lost a game we thought would be a good one Saturday, then complete blow this game with turnovers. Rough week for the hawks.
Saturday is on you a bit I think, though you are not alone, many got tricked. I expected KSU to roll as this is far from my first rodeo.
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I’m not seeing the big improvement of Dave. You guys?
