Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU
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@approxinfinity said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@Texas-Hawk-10 well he gets a free year of college and gets to play on possibly 2 championship contending KU teams. It seems like that’s what the kid grew up dreaming of. I don’t think not starting next year was a deal breaker to red shirting.
But Self isn’t redshirting someone for their would be senior season to sit them on the bench the following season. Mitch isn’t the guy that’s going to out up eye popping stats, but he’s the garbage man/glue guy on the team next season. He’s going to play, and he’s going to get 20-25 mpg next season because of all of the intangibles he brings to the table.
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If Mitch starts and Bill goes back to two bigs I might have a bonfire with some alumni shirts. Please no, Bill.
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Guessing starters will be Thompson, Garrett, Ochai, Braun, and Dave.
Harris, Wilson, Grant-Foster, De Sousa/Mitch see good minutes off the bench. De Sousa/Mitch and Enaruna get small minutes off the bench.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
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@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@Texas-Hawk-10 https://indianhills.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/grant-foster_tyon_nqkj
Those were his fr state when he was injured and barely played. He was a lot better this year.
I got you @BShark the guy is going to play well for us, contribute bigtime. He’s going to get PT, no doubt.
Who does he play over next season? Out of Ochai, Braun, Enaruna, Lightfoot, and Wilson, who does he play ahead of?
Enaruna, Lightfoot, Wilson. I don’t think Mitch plays that much. He’ll be the third string center (probably under 10 MPG)
I think Mitch plays more of the range of 13-17 minutes a game, Will play some four.
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@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
If Mitch starts and Bill goes back to two bigs I might have a bonfire with some alumni shirts. Please no, Bill.
Mitch is a stretch 4 on offense, he’s a face up guy that can knock down perimeter shots. Mitch playing the 4 isn’t the same as Dave playing the 4.
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Mitch has made 10 3-pointers (10/30 = 33.3%) in 1,032 minutes played at Kansas. That’s an average of one made 3-pointer every 103 minutes. He’s not stretching anything at that rate.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I am definitely taking the under on 20-25 minutes for Mitch. I think Self is perfectly happy having Mitch at practice and on the bench for 2 years instead of 1 regardless of his role in-game.
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@approxinfinity said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I am definitely taking the under on 20-25 minutes for Mitch. I think Self is perfectly happy having Mitch at practice and on the bench for 2 years instead of 1 regardless of his role in-game.
Self didn’t redshirt Mitch to sit him next year. If that’s Self’s plan, then what was the purpose of redshirting him this year? If that’s the idea, then that’s a total waste of a scholarship this season when Self could’ve used it on another player. Self redshirted Mitch to play him this season.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
Mitch has made 10 3-pointers (10/30 = 33.3%) in 1,032 minutes played at Kansas. That’s an average of one made 3-pointer every 103 minutes. He’s not stretching anything at that rate.
The year you might want to focus on is 2017-18 when Mitch played the 4. The other two years, he was primarily at the 5 because of Doke’s injuries. He played away from the basket where he had his highest PER, highest offensive rebound rate, and highest block rate, and also his minutes per game and best shooting season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
Mitch has made 10 3-pointers (10/30 = 33.3%) in 1,032 minutes played at Kansas. That’s an average of one made 3-pointer every 103 minutes. He’s not stretching anything at that rate.
The year you might want to focus on is 2017-18 when Mitch played the 4. The other two years, he was primarily at the 5 because of Doke’s injuries. He played away from the basket where he had his highest PER, highest offensive rebound rate, and highest block rate, and also his minutes per game and best shooting season.
Mitch played almost exclusively at the 5 in 17-18, backing up Doke. Only other big on the roster was Silvio and he didn’t play hardly at all until the regular season was about over.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@approxinfinity said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I am definitely taking the under on 20-25 minutes for Mitch. I think Self is perfectly happy having Mitch at practice and on the bench for 2 years instead of 1 regardless of his role in-game.
Self didn’t redshirt Mitch to sit him next year. If that’s Self’s plan, then what was the purpose of redshirting him this year? If that’s the idea, then that’s a total waste of a scholarship this season when Self could’ve used it on another player. Self redshirted Mitch to play him this season.
I disagree. With 13 scholarships and a rotation typically of max 8, Self can spend a scholarship on a quality character that makes the team better. Look at our chemistry this year. Outstanding. Mitch I’m sure played a part.
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Dang you guys are getting me excited for next year!
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
Guessing starters will be Thompson, Garrett, Ochai, Braun, and Dave.
Harris, Wilson, Grant-Foster, De Sousa/Mitch see good minutes off the bench. De Sousa/Mitch and Enaruna get small minutes off the bench.
Bingo. That’s how I see it and that’s the most logical lineup.
4 of those guys played big minutes on the team this year. The key will be getting Thompson comfortable in a big role.
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Mitch looked solid in preseason this year. We know what he brings. If he can shoot more consistently with all the time to work on things like that I see him having a role. Self is going to need someone who can protect the basket and take charges and he is that guy
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@BeddieKU23 he will play for sure. But unless he has a 3 gun or plays significantly better defense than Tristan, Jalen (or Tyon?) I’m assuming they will get the nod over Mitch in must win situations. I can see Mitch starting the season as a starter, but Im not sure he will finish it as one.
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@approxinfinity Tristan didn’t play defense, and Jalen has comparable athleticism to Ellis so he’s going to be a subpar defender as well.
Mitch is the best defensive post player KU will have next season. McCormack is not a strong defender. Mitch is also the best help defender Self has ever had in the paint. Mitch will play 20-25 minutes per game next season. On offense, he’s going to be the guy setting screens and doing all of the dirty work on offense for KU. He’s going to fill a role that’s needed next season that wasn’t needed this year because of how dominant Doke was.
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I think starters will be garret pg, Thompson sg, ochai sf, lightfoot pf, McCormick center… When lightfoot is out, we will play 4 guards with a combination of braun, wilson, tristian, foster. Depending on who plays well. Silvio plays back up center minutes. Maybe a few minutes from Harris at pg… I think Latrell and gethro redshirt.
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How many games will BD foul out?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
How many games will BD foul out?
Under 5. Dave averages under 5 fouls per game so he knows how to play without fouling. His issues on that end are going to be that he’s a bad rebounder for his size. He only gets 18.5% defensive rebounds, and he doesn’t block shots, only a 3.3% block rate last season.
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@Crimsonorblue22 a lot if he doesn’t change his ways. Some in mere minutes. Lol he’s a spaz
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@Texas-Hawk-10 if he averaged over 5 a game that would be impressive! Rules and all…
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Dave is likely going to improve and get some slack from the refs. I think more than anything we need Mitch as a back-up 5.
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@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@Texas-Hawk-10 if he averaged over 5 a game that would be impressive! Rules and all…
Since that number is based on per 40 minutes, you can average over 5 per 40 minutes, but nice try.
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@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
Dave is likely going to improve and get some slack from the refs. I think more than anything we need Mitch as a back-up 5.
The back up 5 is going to be Silvio because he is the best rebounder of the group of bigs KU will have next season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 think we will need all three at some point.
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@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@Texas-Hawk-10 think we will need all three at some point.
We will, but I think most of Mitch’s minutes are going to come at the 4 spot next season. I think the only time he plays the 5 is when Self goes really small or both Dave and Silvio get in foul trouble.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@Texas-Hawk-10 if he averaged over 5 a game that would be impressive! Rules and all…
Since that number is based on per 40 minutes, you can average over 5 per 40 minutes, but nice try.
Oh, you didn’t clarify you were talking about his fouls per 40 minutes. That’s a different thing than an average. His average for fouls is 1.7 byw
4.7 fouls per 40 minutes is…umm not good.
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@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@Texas-Hawk-10 if he averaged over 5 a game that would be impressive! Rules and all…
Since that number is based on per 40 minutes, you can average over 5 per 40 minutes, but nice try.
Oh, you didn’t clarify you were talking about his fouls per 40 minutes. That’s a different thing than an average. His average for fouls is 1.7 byw
4.7 fouls per 40 minutes is…umm not good.
Sub 5 fouls per 40 minutes is actually good for a big man. Doke averaged over 5 fouls per 40 minutes until this season, Mitch was over 6 fouls per 40 minutes in his first 3 seasons, and Silvio’s small sample size is at 8 fouls per 40 minutes. Dave knows how to play defense without fouling.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 as evidenced by fouling out in 4 minutes. Lol he’s getting better, but his arms are wild. I hope he can be consistently available down the stretch.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Based on what I’ve seen (the guy can play) so far, he will play ahead of Enaruna, and steal some minutes from others - Ochai and Mitch - as well.
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Townsend had this to say…
“A great, long wing that can score and pass. Good shooter. The NBA is already looking at him if that tells you anything. He is that good of a player. He’s the No. 1 junior college player in the country. I think he will come in and be an impact guy from Day 1, but a long, athletic wing that can shoot it. Jerrance Howard did an unbelievable job recruiting him and then obviously because his family is right here in Kansas City, they’ll get to see him play, which was, you know, real helpful and a real plus for us.”
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Does he start?
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I don’t see him starting unless we start 4 guards and I don’t see that happening. I think self will start lightfoot. Thompson, garret, ochai will be the guards and McCormick the center
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Not sure who starts but I think we play 4 smalls most of the time. Really we don’t have two bigs capable of playing starter minutes unless Silvio figures out how to basketball.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
Not sure who starts but I think we play 4 smalls most of the time. Really we don’t have two bigs capable of playing starter minutes unless Silvio figures out how to basketball.
Yeah and then the entire math changes if you want to go two bigs because you need capable back-ups as well.
Just look at 2008. Sasha was the third big and got over 700 minutes. Cole in a reserve role got over 300 minutes and about 8 a game (appearing in every game, too). I look at next years roster and I don’t see how you make something like that work. Two bigs just can’t happen.
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I don’t think two bigs will be a big part of the plan, but I’ll bet Mitch plays the 4 next to Dave several minutes a game…assuming there’s basketball next season.
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My guess right now for starters next season (assuming Dotson leaves) is Thompson, Garrett, Agbaji, Braun, Dave. TGF is obviously going to play next season based on that statement from Townsend. Does anyone think he’ll start ahead of Braun or any of the other projected starters?
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@dylans said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
I don’t think two bigs will be a big part of the plan, but I’ll bet Mitch plays the 4 next to Dave several minutes a game…assuming there’s basketball next season.
I’m thinking there will be. The worst is still coming, but we should be on the downtick by then…
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We will see what self does. I think we play 2 big guys only with lightfoot in and the rest of the time play 4 guards. It really just comes down to if lightfoot becomes a starter or not
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I’m anxious to see lt🦶 Play.
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@jayhawks2010 - I agree, Lightfoot will play a minimum of 15 -20 minutes if only for defense & rim protection. Depending on his offensive improvement I’m hoping it’s over 25 minutes. McCormack is not a great defensive center, we will need the combo of Lightfoot and McCormack to be competitive.
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@KUJayhawks67 still worry about big Dave’s fouls!
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When I look at Mitch’s per 40 numbers I find it hard to believe he is suddenly going to produce on offense.
@Crimsonorblue22 looking at them in a whole, his fouls actually aren’t that big of an issue. Of course it’s easy to remember the absurd moments because they stick out.
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I’m not expecting a lot from Mitch but if he can efficiently make 1-2 (3’s) per game and make the defense guard him they can play both the High-Low and the 4 Out offense with him on the floor. The key is to bring his defense to the floor without being a liability on Offense.
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@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
When I look at Mitch’s per 40 numbers I find it hard to believe he is suddenly going to produce on offense.
@Crimsonorblue22 looking at them in a whole, his fouls actually aren’t that big of an issue. Of course it’s easy to remember the absurd moments because they stick out.
While looking at Mitch’s numbers , you also have to realize those minutes are going to go up - -he numbers will be going up. I’m look some where about 8 points per game. - I’m sure during his Red shirt Mitch has put in time on his outside shooting and such I think he will be fine - nothing monsterous but don’t think he will need to be. & again wit the rim protection he brings will be good to go.
The thing with Mitch and find it pretty incredible actually, is how many times he might have got beaten on the defensive end and yet been able to recover and slap the ball away in time, pretty fast recovery time. I like Mitch a lot because another typical case of a kid that’s not afraid to do the dirty work , get on the floor for loose balls - - take the charge whatever is needed - -I love those types of kids.
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@jayballer73 per 40 numbers are what his numbers extrapolate to if he were to play all 40 minutes a game. He is below average on offense which is a concern but is an elite shot blocker and good team defender.
I think he has a role but it is one best served playing 10-15 minutes a game.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich I think he will.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
My guess right now for starters next season (assuming Dotson leaves) is Thompson, Garrett, Agbaji, Braun, Dave. TGF is obviously going to play next season based on that statement from Townsend. Does anyone think he’ll start ahead of Braun or any of the other projected starters?
You know me, all in on Braun. Question though, could he perhaps supplant Agbaji? Probably not. I know that coach doesn’t like to bench starters.
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Impressive tape.
He is the wildcard to next years team offensively. You add that type of size, athleticism, shooting & skill and he has a great chance to impact the team despite his JUCO label. He has skills that translate no matter where he’s playing. The rebounding, ball handling skills & rim protection were some things I hadn’t seen in his other film or live games. Definitely a talent.
