Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond)
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When people complain about the radical left while this kind of stuff is now considered center right…
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@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
When people complain about the radical left while this kind of stuff is now considered center right…
That’s not center right, even here. The GOP here is disowning this Alex Jones wannabe.
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@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
When people complain about the radical left while this kind of stuff is now considered center right…
Come on man, the first couple paragraphs have denunciations from Gov. Abbott and Rep. Roy (both very conservative). That’s fringe, whack job stuff. Not center right at all.
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The governor is literally calling for her resignation.
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Perhaps the flippant tone wasn’t the best approach and obviously republicans are calling for her to resign as that is the title of the link.
But ask yourself, is Donald Trump more likely to retweet the conspiracy theory or the calls for her to resign?
I’ll remember in the future that chairs of the Republican Party don’t represent republican ideas. Sorry if I offended any “center right” folks.
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I’m left and not offended I just think it was a bit of an exaggeration.
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Frankly, I believe that all opinions are equally deserving of deep examination and discussion. Science is obviously a left-wing conspiracy designed to turn man against God, and fortunately anyone seeking knowledge has been persecuted since time immemorial. Our brains are only here to fill a vacant place in the skull.
On a happier note, Pat Robertson, James Matthis, and George Will have all come out severely critical of the Orange Man (sorry for the association, Syracuse, you should have a better name anyway). And it still has little effect on Rush, Sean, Pompousass, Dr. Jeanne Pinhead, or the Even More Deplorables. Sigh…
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@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
Perhaps the flippant tone wasn’t the best approach and obviously republicans are calling for her to resign as that is the title of the link.
But ask yourself, is Donald Trump more likely to retweet the conspiracy theory or the calls for her to resign?
I’ll remember in the future that chairs of the Republican Party don’t represent republican ideas. Sorry if I offended any “center right” folks.
Both parties have been moving further and further away from the middle ever since post 9/11. 20 years ago, people like AOC, Beto, Ted Cruz never would have been elected to the offices they were elected to or been close to being elected to because of how far left or right their views are. 20 years ago, Bernie Sanders would have been laugh out of the race had he tried running as a democrat
I wouldn’t be too surprised to see a third party like the Libertarian Party start gaining major traction on a national level in the HoR or Senate in the next 20 years and unless both parties start moving back towards the middle.
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@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
Perhaps the flippant tone wasn’t the best approach and obviously republicans are calling for her to resign as that is the title of the link.
But ask yourself, is Donald Trump more likely to retweet the conspiracy theory or the calls for her to resign?
I’ll remember in the future that chairs of the Republican Party don’t represent republican ideas. Sorry if I offended any “center right” folks.
Random county chairs generally don’t represent the median or even mean view of Republicans. They tend to be a lot more radical. I’m just tired of “nut picking” where we hunt for the crazies on both sides and say they represent an entire movement.
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@FarmerJayhawk Does highlight the importance of paying attention locally as well as nationally. That “nut picking” was kind of my point. It might just be that one person never really fully represents an entire movement and instead only represents themselves. Still, glad she’s being held accountable where others with similar tendencies have not.
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@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@FarmerJayhawk Does highlight the importance of paying attention locally as well as nationally. That “nut picking” was kind of my point. It might just be that one person never really fully represents an entire movement and instead only represents themselves. Still, glad she’s being held accountable where others with similar tendencies have not.
Just saying, nut picking is not a great idea from the left right now when “Defund the Police” is being sold as a legitimate policy option worthy of consideration.
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@FarmerJayhawk ya the left goes from only cops should’ve have guns to we don’t need cops and back and forth a dozen times. @benshawks08 all I’ll say is come on man.
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I guess a “group” is coming to hutch tmrw or sat. They’ve been traveling around. Some places are closing early or not even opening. Saw one place boarded up by genesis. A friend told me they are not peaceful and not hutch naacp sanctioned. Bad thing she said, locals r bringing guns to protect residences.
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@Crimsonorblue22 someone is paying these guys to travel and loot.
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@kjayhawks who r they?
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Avoiding nut picking is impossible when 85% of the right wing R’pubs approve of the greatest nut of all.
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@mayjay 98% if you ask him.
@FarmerJayhawk why is defunding the police a nutty policy option. It’s in no way equivalent to conspiracy cop killings to hurt trump. You yourself said they have too much military gear and overly police certain areas did you not? Is there significant proof that skyrocketing police budgets are reducing crime?
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@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@mayjay 98% if you ask him.
@FarmerJayhawk why is defunding the police a nutty policy option. It’s in no way equivalent to conspiracy cop killings to hurt trump. You yourself said they have too much military gear and overly police certain areas did you not? Is there significant proof that skyrocketing police budgets are reducing crime?
Defunding means to zero out the budget. That’s bat guano insane.
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@Crimsonorblue22 not sure to be honest but someone is trying tear this country apart. All the looters that were arrested in MN were outta state, some 15 hour drives away. Definitely something fishy going on. The average person can’t afford to just up and drive that far unless someone gives them money or in most cases it sounds like they are being bused in. In most the videos I’ve seen it’s white folks wearing Antifa shirts and what not. One video I saw appeared to have no construction in the area but a pallet of bricks sitting on the side of the road like someone just had them delivered. I trust no one as per usual, always something crazy in an election year.
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@kjayhawks I’ve never said only cops should have guns. I’m actually in favor of less cops carrying guns and have been for a long time. I said my remark was snarky and a bad attempt at a light poke. Probably wasn’t the time or place. Again, sorry if I hurt your feelings. Was not my intention. I’m happy to be wrong and clearly the comment didn’t go over well. Now that summer has started and my partner is still working from home I’m getting a bit restless and a bit looser with what I decide to hit submit on moment to moment. If there is any other concession you’d like me to make or have any other demands, let me know. Happy to listen.
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Maybe the common ground that we need to move forward in this is the fact we all agree that the police were in the wrong. I’ve seen not a single person of any race defend these guys. Police brutality is a problem, for several groups of people (ask most Motor cyclists in clubs). People will be quick to point out that more whites are killed by police each year and that’s true. But percentage wise the number for Minorities is higher based on how many more whites live in this country. Think of it as an endangered species of bird, we must work hard to ensure the survival of said species. But it doesn’t mean we are gonna go after all the others. Black lives matter is standing up to save the endangered, not downgrading the rest.
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@benshawks08 I wasn’t meaning you directly, I just thought some the articles you shared were crap, that was the come on man lol. I’m not gonna argue tho, you are entitled to believe whatever someone posts or not. Like I tell everyone the internet is proven to be more fake than true. Anyone can write up anything and claim to know something they don’t. I refuse to back forth with people anymore, I’ll respect your opinion even if I disagree with it buddy.
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@kjayhawks said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@Crimsonorblue22 not sure to be honest but someone is trying tear this country apart. All the looters that were arrested in MN were outta state, some 15 hour drives away. Definitely something fishy going on. The average person can’t afford to just up and drive that far unless someone gives them money or in most cases it sounds like they are being bused in. In most the videos I’ve seen it’s white folks wearing Antifa shirts and what not. One video I saw appeared to have no construction in the area but a pallet of bricks sitting on the side of the road like someone just had them delivered. I trust no one as per usual, always something crazy in an election year.
If the video you saw is the one trump tweeted it was geotagged and debunked. Not that that’s the only video out there. The crazy rumors spreading around wichita was a confirmed white supremacist group pretending to be black lives matter. I’d be very surprised if there was some elaborate conspiracy to bring agitators to small town Kansas. More likely online trolls trying to rule up conservative white folks. (And yes those trolls could be left, right, center, or not even on the spectrum)
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@kjayhawks which links were the big offenders for you. Seriously curious of your thoughts. Not trying to start anything.
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@benshawks08 I’m not sure, I don’t personally follow any politicians on social media. That’s why I say it could anyone paying these people. Could the Democrats trying to find a way to win in November or George Soros. I’d logically say it’s less likely to be a white supremacy group or one that wants Trump to be in for four more years. What they are doing doesn’t help that cause. Could be the government wanting martial law. We may never know the truth.
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@kjayhawks To me white supremacists make the most since because of people believe the protests are violent they can more easily be discounted. And there are several confirmed cases of that happening. But agree there is plenty more going on we don’t know or understand. Some folks seem mighty pumped to have troops in the streets which is just bizarre to me.
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@kjayhawks said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
Maybe the common ground that we need to move forward in this is the fact we all agree that the police were in the wrong. I’ve seen not a single person of any race defend these guys. Police brutality is a problem, for several groups of people (ask most Motor cyclists in clubs). People will be quick to point out that more whites are killed by police each year and that’s true. But percentage wise the number for Minorities is higher based on how many more whites live in this country. Think of it as an endangered species of bird, we must work hard to ensure the survival of said species. But it doesn’t mean we are gonna go after all the others. Black lives matter is standing up to save the endangered, not downgrading the rest.
Preach!
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@benshawks08 I just don’t like the random twitter ones of people sharing what they heard or assume. As we are taking about seeing both Antifa and you seeing white supremacy groups. All we can do is speculate, no one knows for sure. That’s why I said it could be anyone.
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@kjayhawks I think some are from wichita. I’ve seen videos of cops dumping bricks off, breaking windows of store fronts and vandalizing their own cars. Have u seen the one today of them shoving an old man to the grown and knocking him out? 75 yr old. Was awful. Hard for me to stick up for some of those guys. I’m not saying that about hutch cops. So many I see on tv have their names and numbers covered. Got me scared!
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@kjayhawks hmm… not sure when I shared random twitter people sharing what they heard about antifa or WS… the link I shared on that topic was business insider and had comments from twitter spokesperson. Is that not legit?
I did post “random twitter posts” of folks critiquing the 8 cant wait policies I And bshark had shared earlier. Those weren’t so much about the validity of information in them but the validity of the criticisms of that movement which I initially endorsed.
Again, the comment about radical left v center right was in jest and agreeably possibly out of line.
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What would you guys think if your nfl team took a knee this season?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
What would you guys think if your nfl team took a knee this season?
Fine by me. They’re private citizens and can protest however they choose.
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What about this one? Seems like a pretty well coordinated scam traced back to one group. Am I missing where this info isn’t legit? Again busloads of “antifa” are not driving state to state…
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@FarmerJayhawk would you kneel w/them?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@FarmerJayhawk would you kneel w/them?
Probably not. I prefer to engage in other ways. To me, protest is a deeply personal thing and I can do so in more effective ways. But that’s a personal judgment and I support citizens’ First Amendment rights.
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Most people I know would come unglued. But then again, they don’t understand. They might quit watching, even those that love the chiefs. I get it, if I was a teammate, I’d stand w/them.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@kjayhawks I think some are from wichita. I’ve seen videos of cops dumping bricks off, breaking windows of store fronts and vandalizing their own cars. Have u seen the one today of them shoving an old man to the grown and knocking him out? 75 yr old. Was awful. Hard for me to stick up for some of those guys. I’m not saying that about hutch cops. So many I see on tv have their names and numbers covered. Got me scared!
The video with the 75 year old is hard to watch for so many reasons. I think it points out how policing causes good people to lose their humanity. One of the officers after the man falls starts to bend down to check on him but is immediately redirected by what has to be his superior. After that 10-15 more cops just walk by a human body clearly in distress.
I want believe that most of these officers joined because they want to help people and help their community (Even when things I have heard from my brother who is a police officer cause me to doubt that belief). Instead they are now part of a system that forces them to ignore their most human instincts to bend down and check on a bleeding old man just can’t be good for their psyche. Sooooooo much change is needed.
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Cops kneeling at same place w protesters where that 75 year old was knocked down to try to acknowledge it wasn’t right.
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@approxinfinity I thought that was before they knocked that guy down. Lots of info swirling around.
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@BShark Oh? I may be misinformed.
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@approxinfinity said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@BShark Oh? I may be misinformed.
That’s not a hard thing to be at the moment.
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Yeah my bro-in-law shared with me, just told me it was opposite order. You are correct.
I was hoping for a silver lining
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Yeah no worries, it’s tough to suss things out right now.
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There’s a reason ancient tales of warriors dedicate thousands of words to the hero donning his armor. It’s part of every epic battle movie these days. Changing your physical appearance and preparing for battle changes your mental state. I don’t think those officers kneeling were insincere, but you put them in full riot gear, marching in lines and suddenly even a 75 year old man can look like a threat. Go to a gun range and ask every person there how holding a gun makes them feel and a majority of the time they will say “powerful.” It’s a rush. But that adrenaline while heightening your senses and quickening your heart rate is not helping you make rational, empathetic decisions. I know folks talk about individual responsibility but that fails to recognize the systemic issues influencing those individuals actions.
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https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267176238960922624
police open fire on a car in Denver.
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Is it nut picking if the nuts find me?
How many till this becomes an actual problem? Serious question? I know one wacko doesn’t represent the rest. Remember, these are ideas these folks felt comfortable sharing in public! What do they say in private? How many agree that are smart enough not to share on Facebook?
And yes I see republican leadership speaking out against it as they should and yes I know they don’t represent everyone in the Republican Party. But am I wrong there seems to be an issue here? Again, happy to be wrong.
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Again, the right doesn’t have a monopoly on this. https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1268923888974659592?s=21
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@FarmerJayhawk And tell me again how that is close to the same as racist conspiracy theories?
And does he work directly for the Democratic Party? Can’t seem to find that he does. I may be wrong.
