How desperate are we for a PG exactly?
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So I’m going to throw a wild idea out there. Just give it some thought. Don’t be too quick to judge. How would you like to sign a 6’3" Juco combo guard with a 6’10" wingspan, who’s quick as a hiccup, and last season averaged 12 ppg on 46% shooting, 40% from deep, 1.9 spg and 2.5 apg? Sound good. Check out this kid.
Okay, okay. I said it was a nutty idea. Probably impossible, but according to this article he’s back on the auction block and looking to sign with a D1 school where he can play immediately. Also, he’s probably ahead of any of our guys defensively. Ok. Now laugh me off the forum or tell me I’m crazy like a fox.
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WOW! Where has that kid been hiding?
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@konkeyDong I was one of the vocal few who was very disappointed when Adams first lost the back-up PG duties to Naadir, and then when he transferred. Loved that guy’s physical tools.
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Crazy! Pretty sure coach would think you were crazy!!!
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@konkeyDong Well, if Rio were 22, and had settled down, accumulated 60 credits of C+ av. grades and was immediately eligible, I’d say Yeah, lure him back aboard. However…
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@icthawkfan316 Man, are you ever right about Rio’s tools. He was the closest match we have had for Tyshawn (in many ways!) during the Bill Self Jayhawk era. What a shame that Anrio hadn’t the patience or disposition to work out and survive in Lawrence. If that kid ever settles down and gets focused he will make some Division 1 coach very happy. I am still amazed that Bill Self was able to stay the course with Tyshawn during TT’s first 3 turbulent years. More than once during those seasons I ground my molars and muttered, Get rid of that jackass! I suppose that by the time Rio popped onto the scene, Self was wary and weary of such travail.
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I would not take Adam back. His attitude on the sideline was cancer. I’d keep who we have, Frankamp, Mason, Selden, and Tharpe. All of them were higher ranked, so what’s the upgrade? The pasture is always greener on the other side of the fens, maybe.
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As Ive posted before, the successful attributes for a Self combo guard are: Size, athleticism (hops), skillset, quickness, and mental ability as well as an aggressive mental approach to the game. Anrio lacked the mental ability due to his impatience and immaturity. I mean, look at the difference in maturity between Wayne Selden and Adams. Night and day. I still wish he had found some way to stick it out. EJ and Releford both tried to talk to him repeatedly. Especially EJ with his own calm personality. Just wasnt meant to be, I suppose…
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How desperate are we for a point guard?
Very
This is KANSAS. We should have a top notch point guard every year.
You can’t navigate a boat without a captain. Or if you do, I don’t want to be on that boat.
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Not desperate enough for a one year commitment. Those are the death of College Basketball. Deandre Kane’s are not very common.
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Here’s how desperate we are for a point guard.
National rank for turnovers 257.
National rank for turnover margin 299.
I don’t know how these compare to past years, but I’m sure it wasn’t even close to these sad numbers.
I could keep looking for these stats, but you have to scroll through so many pages to find our name, you get the idea.
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@konkeyDong - Pretty funny … I wasn’t expecting Adams when I clicked on the link.
@icthawkfan316 Yes you were. Remember back November/2012? Tharpe was playing poorly and Self said if something didn’t improve, he’d be making a change. There was then the gratuitous KU sports article about Self working KY at the point, or something silly like that.
But Adams was “that” close.
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@wissoxfan83 What link are you looking at?
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@Wishawk This is an absolutely serious question – you’d keep Tharpe?
A blind roll of the dice wouldn’t be better?
Tyrone Appleton, where are you???
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Ok. Moment of full disclosure. When I posted this, I also knew that Anrio Adams didn’t even make it through a full season in Odessa. He’s not going to be playing ball anywhere in the foreseeable future, but I thought I’d check the room’s pulse.
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@konkeyDong you definitely pulled a good one! Do we know what happened to him? I certainly wish no ill will to him.
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I’d rather have Tharpe who is a team player over any cancerous kid that can dribble better.
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@konkeyDong Well played, I enjoyed his sideline dances as much as the next guy but he wasn’t good for the locker room.
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Funny how the guy got labeled a cancer & a bad locker room guy. Aside from tweeting on his frustration over lack of playing time, does anybody KNOW or have any sources that he was such a cancer? I don’t remember reading anything or seeing any tweets from former KU players on that team stating or insinuating as much.
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@icthawkfan316 I guess distraction would have been better use of wordage, but if you are distracting from the team you may become a cancer.
Though he hasn’t been able to stick anywhere so one has to wonder if he is a head case or just can’t get a long or fit in to a system.
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@JRyman I would agree with that.
Does anybody remember Nino Jackson? He was a PG recruit on our radar a few years ago that seemed to have all kinds of issues, and I don’t know that he ever ended up anywhere (a google search shows he played this last season at Loyola Marymount after spending a year at some NACA Div III school in Georgia). Adams bouncing around kind of reminds me of that guy.
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http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
Tons of statistics there, some of which I don’t even really understand!
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@JRyman I would agree with that.
Does anybody remember Nino Jackson? He was a PG recruit on our radar a few years ago that seemed to have all kinds of issues, and I don’t know that he ever ended up anywhere (a google search shows he played this last season at Loyola Marymount after spending a year at some NACA Div III school in Georgia). Adams bouncing around kind of reminds me of that guy.
Nino Jackson wound up at Kevin Young’s old school LMU, but he left almost as quickly as he arrived.
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@konkeyDong Haha! Didn’t see that he had left. Well let’s add him to the list with Adams! There ya go Self, we found you two stud combo guards easy. You’re welcome
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I’d take Adams back. In the magical world where we could go back in time and undo his stupidity I would. He’s headed to Auburn now. I wouldn’t do it in reality, but as far as preferences go, I’d take him back, that’s why I didn’t understand why he was such a baby about not playing a ton his FRESHMAN year.
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@MoonwalkMafia Good find, although it sounds like it’s not quite a done deal.
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@konkeyDong I’m thinking him and pearl might be a perfect match!
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Unless I am forgetting something that was common knowledge, we don’t know exactly why he transferred, do we? We were presuming it had something to do with attitude or being responsible. If it were one of those things, why would we take him back? If it were playing time, why would he come back?
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How about this guy?
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You can’t navigate a boat without a captain. Or if you do, I don’t want to be on that boat.
@nuleafjhawk Your statement conjured up an image…
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Funny how the guy got labeled a cancer & a bad locker room guy. Aside from tweeting on his frustration over lack of playing time, does anybody KNOW or have any sources that he was such a cancer? I don’t remember reading anything or seeing any tweets from former KU players on that team stating or insinuating as much.
Rio has a history of changing schools clear back to High School. After he left KU and transferred to Ohio, apparently he had problems and he did not leave as much as he was asked to leave, and he did not stick with JuCo either, so there is got to be some truth to the rumors that he was a bigger “distraction” than he had talent. His JuCo numbers are irrelevant; you can take just about any KU player and they would be the MVP at most JuCos.
As I recall Nino Jackson had serious academic problems and ended up at a prep school trying to get the grades needed for Division I. He played for Loyola Marymount but apparently he has left the program as well. A talented player with a lot off-the-court issues…
Two talented players that wasted precious opportunities. I don’t believe I would want either one at KU.
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@HighEliteMajor I’d keep Tharpe. Tharpe has limitations, but he also had a few outstanding games. I don’t remember who said it, but I agree that a less talented player can play at a higher level, but he will have to maintain his level with much more effort than the more talented players. This season we’ve seen Wiggins cruise plenty of times, but he was still the high scorer out of those games. Had Wiggins put out his maximum effort every game, he would not have to wait until the last a few games to score 40+. Back to Tharpe, I always believe the higher class men are more valuable than the freshmen. Imagine we had 2 players of TRob’s quality against Kentucky’s freshmen or TRob with Withey last year. Who can say we wouldn’t have won the NC in 2012 or 2013? Tharpe has limitations, but he has 3 years of experience under Coach Self. I’d start Frankamp with Mason backup, then Tharpe in the same role as Frankamp was this season. He will give us some good games sometimes next season, but I agree and don’t see him as the focus of the team.
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@icthawkfan316 “cancer” may be too strong a word, but I remember his sideline antics. There was enough sarcasm in his cheers that gave me the feeling that he was all about himself. No, I don’t know him personally, but I recognize the type of person he was. Not someone I want to be around.
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Since Self is buried into the philosophy of running combo guards at point… why not go for it all? Since we seem to think we may need another 6’9" PF (Anthony Lee)… we’ll just make him a combo guard and run him at point. Finally… enough height on the perimeter!
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@drgnslayr no need Embiid is returning to run the point
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Brilliant! Imagine his draft stock then? The first 7’ PG who also averages 3.8 BPG, 11.2 RPG!
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Taller version of Magic Johnson…
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“How desperate are we for a PG exactly?”
Well there’s a blurb in the Jeff Boschee article on KUSports about us being interested in a guy who is trying to get out of his commitment to Appalachian St.
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@JayHawkFanToo If Embiid were still playing soccer, I’d say he has the potential to become a taller version of Peter Crouch. But the second coming of the Dream is pretty cool too.
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Commenting on Tharpe’s posting of his “compromising” twitter photo, Oakville say’s if he was to list all of the dumb things he’d done before the age of 25, his post would be…".jaybathian in length !! "
“Now that’s funny, I don’t care who you are…”
Dan Whitney (Larry the Cable Guy)
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@icthawkfan316 I’m available.
I’m a little slower than the average college athlete.
But I don’t own a cell phone.
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@nuleafjhawk Well, as long as you’re not an OAD, I think we can find a spot for you
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Am I the only guy who thinks that Frankamp / Mason are going to be a great set of PG’s for the future? They may not be the be all and the end all this coming year but I would love to have those guys stay within the system, get tons of minutes and be extremely confident running the offense as Juniors and Seniors. I say promote from within.
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@globaljaybird Naked Naadir and Nipples Mcgursky. Is there an “unlook” button anywhere?
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Former fan of Conan back in the day. Pre-TBS. Don’t have the time now days with a wife and family so I’m not sure if he still does this skit anymore:
In the year two thousand, in the year two thous-and…
I predict there will be screaming about Mason/Frankamp and wanting the back up to get the others minutes because the starter won’t cut it. Just like we did this year with Tharpe and <insert your favorite backup PG>. Which is eerily similar to the year before that with EJ and Tharpe. Which is also eerily similar to the Taylor Brady Reed and EJ debates…
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Tough to tell if this is a prank or not, but it very well could be. Still, Matt Carlino appears to be transferring from BYU. Would the LDS pull our legs? Anyway, he’s a 6’2" pure point guard. Not a great shooter, but’s solid all around, and gets more steals than any of our current guards. That’s certainly been missing from this team. Anyway, I hope KU reaches out to him.
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OK. Looks like the Carlino transfer is the real deal. That’s really good news. We (on the boards at least) are looking for a Deandre Kane to come in and lead KU. Carlio’s not quite that, but he is a talented floor leader that plays with the sort of composure that Tharpe lacked. He’s more of a volume scorer and he needs to work on his J, but he’s a better on ball defender than any of our other PGs, he averages 1.7 steals per game which is far higher than anyone on our team, and he averaged 4.3 assists with a higher usage rate than Tharpe. Also, he strikes me as having better sense off the court than Tharpe has recently displayed. The only things standing in the way are freeing up a scholly and and getting the commit. I think the latter is going to be the harder part, but should still be plenty doable. While I’m not necessarily convinced Carlino is the best we can do, I don’t see any reason to hold out for better while he fits the bill and is available.
