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@dylans OKC comes out smelling like a rose in the deal.
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KUSTEVE said:
Sooo…what does Miami have to offer for Westbrook? 6 first round picks?
For taking that contract OKC would owe Miami picks lol
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I think Mitch Kupchak has demonstrated he is the current worst GM in basketball @Texas-Hawk-10
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@approxinfinity Charlotte’s issue is that MJ doesn’t want to go into the luxury tax, that’s not on Kupchak. Dolan is the worst executive in all of professional sports.
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Dolan is human garbage.
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@approxinfinity Kupchak has also only been GM of the Hornets for a little over a year, not exactly enough time to build them into anything yet.
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None of the owners really want to go into the luxury tax, and Charlotte has too many bad contracts on the books to really compete right now. Their cap situation is a mess, with no real way to repair it until Batum and others come off the books.
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@justanotherfan Most owners have no issue going into the luxury tax in an attempt to win a championship. Only New Orleans and Charlotte have never paid the luxury tax since its inception. Owners don’t want to stay in the luxury tax because the penalty for being the in luxury tax escalates each consecutive year a team is in it.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@justanotherfan Most owners have no issue going into the luxury tax in an attempt to win a championship. Only New Orleans and Charlotte have never paid the luxury tax since its inception. Owners don’t want to stay in the luxury tax because the penalty for being the in luxury tax escalates each consecutive year a team is in it.
Key phrase attempt to win a championship. At no point since the tax has been created has either Charlotte or New Orleans been relatively close to championship caliber.
Now, I will grant that several other teams weren’t there, either (Knicks, Nets, Grizzlies, probably a few others), but most everyone else has either been a top 2 team in their conference or gone to the Finals during that stretch.
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@justanotherfan Teams aren’t winning a championship without going into the luxury tax. Detroit and one of the Spurs titles are the only two I’m aware of in which a title team was under the luxury tax threshold. Part of the reason some teams stay consistently bad like Charlotte is because their owners refuse to spend the money necessary to build a title contender.
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Rockets and Thunder are trading point guards. Westbrook to Houston and Paul and two future 1st round picks to OKC.
I still think Westbrook is the most overrated player in the league, but this should make both Westbrook and Harden happy. Still don’t see my Rockets winning a title though.
The west just got even more stacked. Clippers, Lakers, Rockets, Jazz, Blazers, Nuggets, and Warriors. You may have to win 60 games in the west to get home court in the first round. You may see a team win 50 games in the west and still miss the playoffs.
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Lol Gracie Allen https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27172670/grizzlies-allen-ejected-2-flagrants-tech
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OKC now with 15 first round picks over the next 6 drafts, with 4 of them having the possibility (although unlikely) of being swapped for better picks.
Can someone win executive of the year and their team also get a Top 5 pick?
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@dylans wonder what coach k says about that now?
? Once a d*** always a 
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And OKC is trying to move CP3 now lol.
I could see OKC moving him to Miami for Dragic and another piece and a couple of firsts (maybe 3).
And then moving Dragic to a contender to come in and run the 2nd squad. Philly, Utah, Spurs, and Dallas come to mind as fits. Utah makes the most sense to me. Exum is hurt and will be out most of the season I think, so OKC could tank while adding more draft picks and Utah trades a broken player for a good healthy one.
OKC is going full video game GM right now.
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@Kcmatt7 OKC is going to have a very hard time moving CP3. I seriously doubt they want to spend the money to buy Paul out who still has 3 years and $124 million left on his deal. The only two teams that can realistically trade for CP3 would be Miami or Minnesota.
Personally, I think Minnesota is the more likely option because they can get rid of Wiggins who is busting big time on his max deal. OKC would also acquire more picks from Minnesota because Wiggins still has 4 years left while Paul has 3 years left.
OKC has the draft picks to rebuild fairly quickly if they do it right.
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@dylans I lost a ton of respect for coach K with the way he handled this kid and said several times he’d never make it in the NBA for his attitude. I honestly think hes got some serious mental issues.
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I dont see Westbrook working out in Houston, him and Harden maybe the two hardest players to play with now that Kobe has retired. None of the above has ever been known for being good teammates.
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@kjayhawks Harden and Westbrook get along pretty well. I don’t see the chemistry being a big issue with those two.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 they have always got along well but they both want the ball in their hands 90% of the time. That could prove to be a problem. They both are also good offensively but dont attempt to play defense. I think the rockets take a step back this season personally.
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@kjayhawks Westbrook will be fine without the ball in his hands. His scoring was down a little bit last year because of PG13 and that’s a good thing because Westbrook is probably the worst shooting perimeter player in the NBA. Having Westbrook off the ball will allow him to do other things he does well and he’ll still get his assists and rebounds.
I think the Rockets either stay where they’re at or a small step forward. I still don’t see them winning a title because of D’Antoni and his system though and they never will.
Personally, I’m not crazy about the deal because Harden only has this upcoming season left on his deal and if Houston couldn’t beat GS with home court or without KD, they aren’t winning a title with this group. I would’ve traded for as many draft picks as possible since the Rockets have very few for the next several years and gone through a rebuild.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree about the trade. It will be interesting if OKC tries to get rid of Paul for picks if anyone would take him. I could see both OKC and Houston in major rebuilding soon.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Houston messed up including Harrell in the Chris Paul trade imo. That trade in general looks bad in retrospect. What happened to their first round picks last 3 years? Traded?
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@approxinfinity Pat Beverly was also included in the CP3 deal and he was the one I was more frustrated about giving up at the time. Losing Harrell doesn’t bother me too much because there wasn’t room for him and Capela and they had to make a choice. Morey has never been big about keeping draft picks, I think the next one they haven’t traded yet is 2026.
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@kjayhawks OKC is talking to teams about Paul. The two most likely deals if one happens would be Miami that would include Dragic or to Minnesota in a deal that would include Wiggins.
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Wiggins is a good NBA player. He is not a star. Unfortunately, he is on a star contract, so he is a hard player to fit into anyone’s cap situation.
As for Westbrook and Harden, they will have to figure out how to work on the court together because there is no way Houston can avoid playing them heavy minutes together in the playoffs.
