21 Crootin Thread
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KU along with everyone else in the country has offered https://247sports.com/Player/AJ-Griffin-Jr-46056024/
He’s a PSA Cardinal though, so it’s pretty safe to say KU has no shot.
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New basketball offer: https://247sports.com/Player/GaQuincy-McKinstry-46052990/
Twist being we want him for both basketball and football since he’s a 5* corner.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
New basketball offer: https://247sports.com/Player/GaQuincy-McKinstry-46052990/
Twist being we want him for both basketball and football since he’s a 5* corner.
PG as well? That would be awesome.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
New basketball offer: https://247sports.com/Player/GaQuincy-McKinstry-46052990/
Twist being we want him for both basketball and football since he’s a 5* corner.
PG as well? That would be awesome.
Yessir. Probably a walk on level basketball player but I’ll eat a basketball scholarship for a starting corner.
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@FarmerJayhawk That would be a waste of a scholarship if he’s only a walk on caliber basketball player. 2021 is already shaping up to be a high volume recruiting class for Self and that would do nothing but hurt that recruiting class.
If he wants to play both sports, that’s fine, but football is where his future is at so he needs to be on a football scholarship, then come over to basketball when the football season is over with.
Putting the kid on a basketball scholarship means he would be done with football in October when basketball practice starts up which would be a waste of his talents since he’s a top DB in that class.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 if he’s on football he counts only toward the football count. It’s so rare I had to look up the rule.
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@FarmerJayhawk A player counts for whatever sport he accepted the scholarship in. it’s actually not that rare of an occurrence. It’s fairly common to see a football player also run track. You also see football players play baseball as well on a fairly regular basis.
You said you would eat a basketball scholarship with him to have him play football. What you implied is that he would come to KU on basketball scholarship and be a walk on for football which is what my response was based on.
If the kid wants to play both sports at the collegiate level, then having Miles allow him to walk on with basketball the way Sosinski did awhile back could give KU a leg up in possibly landing the kid if Auburn, Bama, or any other program recruiting him wouldn’t allow him to play both.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk A player counts for whatever sport he accepted the scholarship in. it’s actually not that rare of an occurrence. It’s fairly common to see a football player also run track. You also see football players play baseball as well on a fairly regular basis.
You said you would eat a basketball scholarship with him to have him play football. What you implied is that he would come to KU on basketball scholarship and be a walk on for football which is what my response was based on.
If the kid wants to play both sports at the collegiate level, then having Miles allow him to walk on with basketball the way Sosinski did awhile back could give KU a leg up in possibly landing the kid if Auburn, Bama, or any other program recruiting him wouldn’t allow him to play both.
The NCAA says you’re wrong. There’s a specific hierarchy of sports in which the scholarship counts. https://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tam/genrel/auto_pdf/comp101-4-multi-sport-sas.pdf
So if you know the rules better than the people who make and enforce the rules, I’ll take their word for it.
Basketball, volleyball, and football play by different scholarship rules than other sports. They’re headcount sports, so you can’t split up scholarships like you can in almost all the others, considered equivalency sports where money is the unit of analysis, not student athletes.
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@FarmerJayhawk The NCAA doesn’t say I’m wrong because you are misrepresenting what I said.
If McKinstry wants to play both football and basketball in college, he can. Because his primary sport is football, that’s what he would be on scholarship for. If he truly wants to play both sports, he’s going to have to get permission from his football coach to play basketball as well. Programs like Alabama and Auburn which are recruiting him the hardest probably won’t let him play both sports.
I’ll go ahead and give you two specific examples. The first is Kyler Murray. The reason he transferred to Oklahoma from Texas A&M was because OU would also allow him to play baseball while in school. Other schools weren’t going to do that. So again, if McKinstry wants to play both football and basketball in college, his decision on where he goes will largely be influenced by schools where the football and basketball will allow him to walk on the basketball team after football season is over with.
Another high profile example is former Texas Longhorn and current San Francisco 49er Marquise Goodwin. Goodwin went to Texas on a football scholarship, but also won two NCAA long jump national championships and went to the 2012 London Olympics while still at UT.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 again, that’s just not accurate. If he accepts a basketball scholarship (he’s been offered a football scholarship) and plays a football game, he counts toward football. That’s the point of the NCAA guidance that established a hierarchy.
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Imagine Bill and Les doing a in home visit together.
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ie KUs own Mario Kinsley back in 2001. Booted off the team, but an example none the less.
Or Otto Schnellbacher (football basketball track) but that’s likely too long ago to be relevant to the scholarship rules of today.
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Clint Normore … a two sport icon.
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@HighEliteMajor And then, of course, there was that guy at N.C., what was his name? That’s right, Peppers.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 again, that’s just not accurate. If he accepts a basketball scholarship (he’s been offered a football scholarship) and plays a football game, he counts toward football. That’s the point of the NCAA guidance that established a hierarchy
Matt Tait is talking about this kid from Alabama. - He says that according to the NCAA guidelines - that a kid can only accept ONE financial aid package from a School. - - - So he says if he indeed practices – and plays football from Les - -then he would be considered a walk on - For Coach Self in Basketball and Coach wouldn’t HAVE to burn a Scholi for him - -he would be counted against one of the 25 Scholi’s - in Football and not count against Coach Self
Plus I guess this kid must actually be thinking about that - -posted on his Twitter that he had received an off from KU - -and that he would have a chance to play in both sports. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 God knows we need him for football…
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DaRon Holmes out of Arizona is a guy I think we stand a good chance of signing. He is 6’8 and still growing and can play just about anywhere. Both of his parents attended KU.
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You are correct that basketball, football and volleyball are headcount sports. That means that they have a certain number of scholarships and cannot split those scholarships up between players. This means that whoever the people are on scholarship, they are on full scholarship. You can’t give one guy a half a scholarship, and another guy a half a scholarship like you can in baseball or track or other sports.
However, an athlete can play more than one sport while in college. Because you cannot double dip, you have to take a scholarship in your “primary” sport. Bo Jackson, for instance, played football, baseball and ran track at Auburn. However, he was on a football scholarship, which allowed the baseball and track programs to have an elite level player as a walk on for their programs since he could not also be on scholarship for those programs.
Perhaps a better example is Santana Moss at the University of Miami. When Miami was on probation in the late 1990’s they had scholarship limits as a penalty in football. Moss was also an elite level HS track star (state titles in long jump and triple jump, ran a 10.7 100 in college), so Miami gave him a track scholarship initially. There was some controversy because people argued that Moss wasn’t really a track athlete, but he participated in track all four years at Miami and even won the conference title in the triple jump as a senior. He didn’t initially count against the football scholarship limits because he accepted the track scholarship.
McKinstry would be in the same type of situation. He is an elite football player, and a good basketball player. He would be on football scholarship, but, as @Texas-Hawk-10 mentioned, part of the recruiting pitch could be to come and be a part of an elite level basketball program as a preferred walk on. Yes, KU offered a hoops scholarship, but that is part of the pitch to let him know he would be able to play both at KU. I doubt Alabama or Auburn makes the same offer, so if the young man wants to play both, KU is probably his choice. And he’s a legit D1 prospect in basketball, so he could play at KU.
