Well now Big time storm brewing - maybe our way
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Bosthawk said:
I don’t have the time or frankly the interest to do a lot of research into what’s going on with different programs (that’s why this site is so great because of the knowledgeable people here) but Did other schools sit players who were under any kind of suspicion of impropriety like we did?? And as been pointed out, we are not close to being the biggest violators in this latest round of allegations…
Yes other players were held out. Miami & Auburn did this. I’m probably missing a few others off the top of my head.
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@BeddieKU23 The schools that just played guys who they directly paid though… If anyone is getting absolutely murdered, it’s NC State.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 The schools that just played guys who they directly paid though… If anyone is getting absolutely murdered, it’s NC State.
you mean Cleveland St?? Couldn’t resist.
USC, Arizona, Louisville, NC St, Auburn have serious issues facing them. I’d put KU in the next tier of worry
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Could you guys imagine @HighEliteMajor if KU had a situation with actual direct hard evidence like those schools? Oh my folks!
But I will just leave it with re-iterating KU will likely get an NOA and it will be fought. Just have to wait and see now.
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@BShark DaJuan Gordon - easy explanation. He took a sudden interest in livestock.
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More musings…
Of Our recent acquisitions – Moss, Wilson, and Enaurua, I think we can be near 90% certain that they and their families asked self and staff point blank “ what is the status of KU and the NCAA inquiry? “ I truly doubt any of these players, players who easily could sign with other high tier D1 programs, would want to choose KU thinking that there was a 50% or at least significantly high probability that they will get slapped with a level one sanction. Playing in the NCAA tournament is a big big deal to any college basketball player. I highly doubt that Self’s answer to this question would have been “what ? nooooo, we good !! At least as far as we know! ( nervous chuckling )” We can be near 100% certain that the answer was a detailed point by point dare I say scripted response, Hell, they might have even had a KU attorney on Skype with them, laying out their position Carefully and clearly, that they did everything correctly, the NCAA has nothing of substance on them, and that they would never withhold any information to a player in their family, and that they are 100 percent confident That they are in the right on this.
And following this line of thinking, of our recent transfers, Moore, KJ, Grimes, does anybody thank that at least part of their decision to leave would have been a worry that KU would be punished badly? Personally I would say no.
And Braun and McBride had to have also asked self this same question as well. Again who would want to sign on with the team that has a high probability of missing The tourney or Other major sanction
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If you build it they will come. KU had open scholarships so I think regardless of whether it was the 50th ranked player or 400th KU would have filled spots with someone. As most of us have saw this spring, we went through a lot of potential targets to find those who were willing to come here. Optimistically we have to feel good that two Top 100 kids signed here with pro potential down the road. They weren’t scared off at least.
An important part will be what was communicated to the signees in the fall and the most recent ones if trouble does come KU’s way. If KU is slapped with allegations and say loses a year of postseason access those kids would have a case for immediate eligibility somewhere else if they could prove they were misled about potential upcoming sanctions. Recent precedence has been established as wel. Off the top of my head I can think of Shea Patterson leaving Ole Miss for Michigan in Football and gaining eligibility after Ole Miss allegedly mislead or completely lied about potential sanctions coming to the program. If nothing of substance comes to KU those 4 signees have nothing to worry about. I’m sure the staff gave their honest answers to those families but we can’t be sure their honesty will matter if the NCAA comes calling.
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This whole money train is about to go off the rails. There’s too much money in too many people’s hands at this point. You cannot stuff the genie back into the bottle. I don’t think KU gets sanctioned, but only because they would have to sanction a lot more teams than just five or six. They would basically have to sanction most of the P5 teams, and if they were to ban half the P5 teams from the NCAA tournament that could destroy the tournament.
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justanotherfan said:
This whole money train is about to go off the rails. There’s too much money in too many people’s hands at this point. You cannot stuff the genie back into the bottle. I don’t think KU gets sanctioned, but only because they would have to sanction a lot more teams than just five or six. They would basically have to sanction most of the P5 teams, and if they were to ban half the P5 teams from the NCAA tournament that could destroy the tournament.
This is it. They absolutely do not want to stop their money maker. Especially now that their cartel might actually start seeing some competition.
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Word is the two major violators are Arizona and Louisville. I could see both getting hit with post season bans, but I think if that happens, that’s also where it stops.
The NCAA jut doesn’t have enough marketable teams to have more than one P5 team from each P5 conference on a ban at any one time. They simply can’t afford it. And part of me thinks the NCAA will be hesitant to hit Arizona with a penalty because they need west coast TV markets. The NCAA tournament needs to draw west coast eyeballs. With the Pac-12 down, and Gonzaga having a limited following, its really hard to attract that interest.
The money train is slowing down. It won’t take much more to derail it completely.
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I think Zona and Louisville get nuked from orbit. I think Louisville is still in hot water over the hookers.
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For a money train that is allegedly slowing down, and subject to derailing, the trend line is up.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/219605/ncaa-revenue-breakdown/
Is there something I am missing?
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I read an incredibly boring, acronym-laden 53-page PDF about the internal operating procedures of the NCAA Committee on Infractions today. It lists among a lot of other things the types of penalties the NCAA can impose on member institutions and the level of violations that would warrant those penalties, reconsideration of penalties, and the appeals process.
I would start on Page 37.
I don’t think KU will receive a postseason ban, but it’s hard to know because everything in here is so vague and open to interpretation. I would guess if we get anything that it will be a vacation of wins and records, but nothing the NCAA does would surprise me. Most people (even non-KU fans) were surprised at the severity of the penalty given to SDS. I could see the NCAA being like “Fine, Silvio is eligible to play in 19-20, but KU’s not. 1-year post-season ban.”
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@KirkIsMyHinrich You’re a brave soul to have wadded through that document:
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HighEliteMajor said:
For a money train that is allegedly slowing down, and subject to derailing, the trend line is up.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/219605/ncaa-revenue-breakdown/
Is there something I am missing?
Fewer eyeballs on the tournament reduces the NCAA’s negotiating power when tv deals come up for renegotiating. If multiple high profile schools are hit with postseason bans, the NCAA could lose millions in revenue. All about positioning for the future.
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@FarmerJayhawk Yup. Also change is coming. We are just in the early stages. The NBA desperately wants the G League to become the main developmental league for NBA basketball. We are seeing players that are eligible now opting to play overseas instead. Where it all shakes out I can’t say but the NCAA will not 100% be the same.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Hawk8086 Sanctions seem inescapable to me. Would be hard for me to believe that we’re not one of the six programs referenced. But the large majority here believes there is not much to be concerned about. Lots of directions this could go.
@Bosthawk I think the DeSousa decision was related to the student-athlete and his particular situation. Think of it this way – we played a player, through the final four, who was then suspended for a full season. Further, it might give an insight into the NCAA’s view of the seriousness of this when they hit DeSousa with a two year suspension initially. That’s a big deal. Also, remember, the appeals board is a different composition - the Student-Athlete Reinstatement Committee. The Duke thing has me very interested too, and I would be curious as well as to what the NCAA is doing on that – if we are hit with sanctions.
Like I said previously - -oh ya we gonna get hit. To what degree - who knows , but for those people who think we are skating through this - -I really hope they will share some of the shit their smoking cause I’m telling you the NCAA is looking to make an example out of someone of this whole thing -and I think they woukld love if there is any possible way for it to be KU. - I think they have a vendetta for KU - -they sporting a wood for us. - -I think we lose some wins - I think they taking our final 4 - no how - -no way we getting out of this smelling like arose. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BeddieKU23 said:
I’ll wait to see the announcements. We know we were investigated and logic would seem to suggest at minimum we get some sort of NOA regardless if the findings are minor or serious in nature. I fully believe KU will fight and have solid ground to stand on. None of that matters with the NCAA though. The headlines won’t be pretty, again, if this is smeared the right way. I think the thing that will be of most interest is whether KT or Self is directly assumed of guilt in the NOA…
I think when things are all said and done , I think Coach Townsend may be let go at the end of the day
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Well just got through listening to an interview that our local sports talk had with Dennis Dodd - which wrote this article - from the NCAA and Schools:
Question was asked to Dodd: - -Are you surprised with the way this NCAA High official came out and spoke of things the way he did?
Dodd’s answer was he was Stunned, - being said Dodd has been around along time - -seen and heard a lot of things - Saying that if he is saying that he was stunned - -he is thinking this is going to be worse then people think. - Talking about the NCAA really wants to make a statement with this.
Dodd was asked if he thought KU was going to be one of the six Schools that gets notice - -his response? - -no stunner here - -he says it would seem very reasonable that they would be. - -He says too though that he knows that KU will be vigerously defended by one of the very best that there is. - -Saying that what they may get charged with and what they end up with may be totally different.
The real Stunner here in this - - He said that what’s been going or being said that he had heard was that Duke WIL NOT be involved in any of this what so ever - - WTF ! ! ! ! - -GO FIGURE
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Dodd is a shill.
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BShark said:
Dodd is a shill.
I can’t really say that as all he was doing here was passing along information that he has been hearing
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Say we do get something and we fight it. Who would be in charge of the ruling? A NCAA committee, a judge(s), or a 3rd party? Forgive the dumb question I’m just not sure how this all will work
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rockchalkwyo said:
Say we do get something and we fight it. Who would be in charge of the ruling? A NCAA committee, a judge(s), or a 3rd party? Forgive the dumb question I’m just not sure how this all will work
I sure don’t know
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
Dodd is a shill.
I can’t really say that as all he was doing here was passing along information that he has been hearing
Nah he’s a shill just like that THIS IS MARCH idiot whose name is escaping me. Aaron Torres isn’t far behind either. Safe to say I’m not a fan of any of those three…
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they’re coming for us…omg…what’s we gonna do??? the sky IS falling…
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KUSTEVE said:
they’re coming for us…omg…what’s we gonna do??? the sky IS falling…
good for you buddy you hang in there
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@KUSTEVE The BIGGER thing in this is - - - - their NOT coming for Duke - - imagine that
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https://anchor.fm/marcus-gradney/episodes/Grads--Yoda-e4aoko/Shad--Grads-ah1nqu
Skip to 21 minutes in.
Or listen to the whole thing, that’s totally cool too, but that bit is relevant to the current NCAA scene. Grads and Yoda are real ones.
@justanotherfan gotta tag ya
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@jayballer73 It’s like the weather…you can worry about it…you can cuss it…but it is still going to do what it’s going to do…so why sweat it?
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 It’s like the weather…you can worry about it…you can cuss it…but it is still going to do what it’s going to do…so why sweat it?
Oh I’ve already accepted whats coming - - just trying to give a good cold hard slap of reality to those who try and sugar coat and deny that’s it’s not - -You know what I mean , the one’s who try and play it off and say - - OH nothing gonna happen to us - -NOT US you know - -THOSE PEOPLE
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@jayballer73 We don’t know…so no point in any hyperconflagaration about what might woulda,coulda,shoulda happen. For myself, I’m just going to enjoy the amazing roster, and let the NCAA go pound sand.
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 We don’t know…so no point in any hyperconflagaration about what might woulda,coulda,shoulda happen. For myself, I’m just going to enjoy the amazing roster, and let the NCAA go pound sand.
OR NOT roflmao
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@jayballer73 I’m trying to get you to relax. Let me be the first to say…this Buds for you…lol.
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 I’m trying to get you to relax. Let me be the first to say…this Buds for you…lol.
SinFire MUCH BETTER lol
