Well now Big time storm brewing - maybe our way
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FarmerJayhawk said:
We good. They have jack s#!+
This is my stance as well. Also they said stuff about only schools that played ineligible guys. Sitting Billy continues to pay dividends.
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@BShark Dook?!? Lol yeah right.
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@rockchalkwyo Think of it this way … Silvio was suspended for a year over the entire deal. We know that because the entire suspension was not set aside. The second year was. Silvio is a junior because his sophomore year was lost to suspension. If the suspension was revoked, he’d have been able to use a redshirt and he’d be a sophomore.
I think this is really important.
We played a guy who got a one year suspension.
And we admitted that the guy who paid Silvio is a booster.
Before someone claims that it was “just $2500”, remember thar Silvio got a one year suspension.
I also think Self’s claim of having no knowledge of any third party providing benefits won’t help, because that’s wholly implausible and the NCAA knows that. I think a risk here is the NCAA having some info on our “knowledge.” And the tape of KT? That is devastating. It plainly shows our mindset.
We clearly had folks that were convicted of federal charges in bed with our coaches.
We should be very concerned. But I’ve said that from the start.
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@HighEliteMajor Yup you make a very good point.
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I still think it is much ado about nothing for everyone. NCAA needs their moneymakers. Time will tell. There won’t be any post season bans for this upcoming season I think.
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From Wilcox’s quotes, seems like the NCAA already has its mind made up before it even sits down with witnesses. I’ll say that if their entire case is a wiretap without the full conversation, it’s a Charmin soft case. We only know what Code’s lawyer said, not the entire transcript. Fact of the trial is KU didn’t know about Silvio or Billy. KU only admitted Gassnola was hypothetically a booster for the purposes of the Silvio case, nothing else.
Fact is they have more on 6 schools I can think of: LSU, Zona, USC, Auburn, Okie Lite, and Louisville. If they vacate wins and add sanctions for us, those schools should get the death penalty.
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Also the NCAA can go choke on a bag of Richards. I’ll never forget they made a Czech grad transfer dig up 4 years of per diems and meal receipts, then took 3 months to process them all to ensure she wasn’t paid a dime. Almost made her delay her master’s by a year. But blah blah student athlete welfare like they give a rat’s ass about anything but cashing checks.
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If they go after what Kurt said about Zion, then they would have to go after Dook, and that’s not going to happen. In fact…to protect Dook’s money machine, NCAA honcho Wilcox made it a point to say they would NOT be considering KT’s statement. This is what Wilcox said:
“Any wiretap that was introduced into evidence [we can use],” Wilcox said. “It wasn’t. That was leaked. We don’t have access to that.”
So, Louisville and Arizona are going to get rolled. They might try to take away our Final Four, but they might figure they already hammered Silvio for an entire year, and maybe that pound of flesh will be enough.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
We good. They have jack s#!+
not so sure - -they was saying they were looking at schools that were having eligibility issues - -that’s exactly what we were having with Silvio - whether he was eligible or not
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FarmerJayhawk said:
From Wilcox’s quotes, seems like the NCAA already has its mind made up before it even sits down with witnesses. I’ll say that if their entire case is a wiretap without the full conversation, it’s a Charmin soft case. We only know what Code’s lawyer said, not the entire transcript. Fact of the trial is KU didn’t know about Silvio or Billy. KU only admitted Gassnola was hypothetically a booster for the purposes of the Silvio case, nothing else.
Fact is they have more on 6 schools I can think of: LSU, Zona, USC, Auburn, Okie Lite, and Louisville. If they vacate wins and add sanctions for us, those schools should get the death penalty.
I know they said in the Article about Townsend – they couldn’t use the phone tap - because it wasn’t entered in that FBI crap - -so they can’t use it. - They said the only think they could do about that was use it for a sit down and talk whatever the hell that means - I know they said that the phone tap was very clear with our assistant talking very specific how much it would take money wise for Zion to come to KU - -but they can’t use it - lucky there.
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Where is there any CONCRETE evidence that any our staff was in on payments??
I haven’t followed all the details of all of this, and know that apparently they can’t use the phone tap, but help me here… we are basing KU’s supposed culpability on 2 things right??? KT saying to Zions dad “well we will do whatever it takes “ in response to him asking for money. That does NOT sound like hard evidence… and self texting “we good” to Gassnola is NOT hard evidence. If KT said… “ didn’t you get the check???” Or Self texting “ did the payment get Silvio on board?? “ well yes that would be a completely different story. EVIDENCE, not conjecture or presumption.
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Bosthawk said:
Where is there any CONCRETE evidence that any our staff was in on payments??
It doesn’t exist.
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@jayballer73 They aren’t going to ban us from the NCAA tournament. They aren’t going to limit our scholarships. They could take away victories and a Final Four, but that’s a pretty meaningless penalty in my books. If this causes us to recruit the way we recruited this year ( except the RJ fiasco ), then maybe it turns out to be the light bulb moment where we regain our recruiting sanity. We made 2 EEs and a FF, in large part, because of two low rated guards ( Frank/Devonte ) that bought into the system, unpacked their bags, and dedicated themselves to KU.
The truth is, we haven’t won dick with these OADs. All they’ve brought… for the most part… is trouble and dissension. And the teams that are using the OAD model aren’t winning anything, either. Experience wins. The evidence is very clear- why else would the Squid, the king of the OAD, be working the grad transfer wire like a madman?
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“The truth is, we haven’t won dick with these OADs. All they’ve brought… for the most part… is trouble and dissension. And the teams that are using the OAD model aren’t winning anything, either. Experience wins. “
G—d. Damn. Right.
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This isn’t about OAD’s. The guys who were in the thick of this ish weren’t even considered OAD’s: Silvio and Tugs Bowen. This goes waaaaaaay higher than the top 10-15 kids.
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@FarmerJayhawk This goes way deeper than anyone wants to admit. Like for example take the likely best player in KSU’s class this year DaJuan Gordon. Kid is out of Chicago (guys like Izzo bemoan just how dirty Chicago is) and is all set to go to SMU. Suddenly boom KSU is not only in play but the pick. Very interesting situation if you ask me…
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Exactly. Even grad transfers get it. Tucker was a bidding war, for example. Want to clean up the game? Bring this stuff into the open. Nobody has followed the amatuerism model since it got started. To call it a farce is an insult to farces (which are actually funny)
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 They aren’t going to ban us from the NCAA tournament. They aren’t going to limit our scholarships. They could take away victories and a Final Four, but that’s a pretty meaningless penalty in my books. If this causes us to recruit the way we recruited this year ( except the RJ fiasco ), then maybe it turns out to be the light bulb moment where we regain our recruiting sanity. We made 2 EEs and a FF, in large part, because of two low rated guards ( Frank/Devonte ) that bought into the system, unpacked their bags, and dedicated themselves to KU.
The truth is, we haven’t won dick with these OADs. All they’ve brought… for the most part… is trouble and dissension. And the teams that are using the OAD model aren’t winning anything, either. Experience wins. The evidence is very clear- why else would the Squid, the king of the OAD, be working the grad transfer wire like a madman?
The whole thing is one big Cluster - -F - - -
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@FarmerJayhawk Billy was a OAD. Cliff was a OAD. Selby was a OAD. There was plenty of smoke around Billy before we took him. I remember BShark saying before Preston signed that there were rumors the kid was on the take. In fact, BShark even said no way would we take Preston. As I recall, there was whispers around Cliffie, too. I’m not saying that Silvio directly fits the narrative, but if his case causes us to pause before we go after the latest murky OAD, then so much the better.
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@BShark best avi yet! Better than a cat!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Feeling bad ass might delete later idk giggle
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KUSTEVE said:
@FarmerJayhawk Billy was a OAD. Cliff was a OAD. Selby was a OAD. There was plenty of smoke around Billy before we took him. I remember BShark saying before Preston signed that there were rumors the kid was on the take. In fact, BShark even said no way would we take Preston. As I recall, there was whispers around Cliffie, too. I’m not saying that Silvio directly fits the narrative, but if his case causes us to pause before we go after the latest murky OAD, then so much the better.
Sure. So were Josh, Wiggins, and Xavier. We should pursue the best players out there, period. We only took Billy because we were outbid by Ayton. I’m saying if you want to pursue “clean” players, be prepared to take a team full of Mitch Lightfoot’s.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
We only took Billy because we were outbid by Ayton. I’m saying if you want to pursue “clean” players, be prepared to take a team full of Mitch Lightfoot’s.
Was about to comment on this myself. And if we do end up with Ayton, maybe we do get buried because he would have played.
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I know, the minute that it’s mentioned that we might not get off completely unscathed, there is a compulsive reaction to argue that the NCAA doesn’t have a case.
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The term floated above, that they don’t have any “concrete” proof, is just irrelevant. They don’t need “concrete” proof. The NCAA doesn’t make decisions based on some “concrete” proof requirement.
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The staff and school are required to cooperate. That includes providing information and being interviewed. So on the KT front, does anyone really think that KT will deny that when asked?
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I also think there is a misunderstanding on what constitutes evidence. In NCAA proceedings, hearsay can be used as evidence. Further, evidence includes circumstantial evidence. Meaning the the NCAA can connect dots. Don’t make the mistake of believing someone has to be on video, or that there is some audio recording. Further, Self’s texts with Gassnola are clearly circumstantial evidence that supports the conclusion.
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And don’t make the mistake of thinking the “booster” thing with Gassnola is only because of the KU admission. It’s not. It’s also because under the NCAA definition, Gassnola fits perfectly. The NCAA, in its ruling on SDS back in February, already found Gassnola to be a “university booster and agent.” Looking at Self’s texts alone – heck, he was talking about being happy with Adidas as long as we get some “real guys.” Gassnola saying he’d never let us down. “We good” after Gassnola talked to Fenney. The guy is a booster under NCAA rules.
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Remember, we used Adidas personnel to help in recruiting. That leads to booster status under NCAA rules.
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The schools are required to have safeguards in place to help control booster activities.
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Lack of institutional control, a significant concern, can be centered on booster activities. Clearly, Gassnola/Adidas were our recruiting partner. Bags of money. Were we seeking to control that? What were our safeguards?
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A school can get in trouble for its actions in recruiting regardless of whether the player steps on the court. It’s a myth that we have no exposure because Preston didn’t play. Gassnola (booster) said he paid Preston’s mom $90,000 to attend KU.
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The NCAA will make just as much money in an NCAA tournament with or without Kansas. The NCAA won’t lose money because KU loses 3 scholarships. The NCAA won’t lose money if KU has recruiting limitations. The NCAA won’t lose money if a coach or coaches get suspended.
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And finally, we don’t know what information the NCAA has. It is certainly reasonable to assume that they have stumbled across, been provided, or acquired more information that we know.
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I tend to think this quote from Stan Wilcox with the NCAA enforcement division, is of significance: “We’re not going to be holding back. We’re moving forward with everything possible in the arsenal we have to collectively change the culture that has come to light.”
We would all like this to go away. I hope it does.
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And if you want to go down the road of only pursuing guys 25-75, let’s go through them from that class: Jontay Porter (nope), Mark Williams (who?), Silvio (
), Daniel Gafford (no shot), Jeremiah Tilmon (never meshed with the staff), Chuma Okeke (wasn’t leaving the South), Cody Riley (lolz), Rayshaun Hammons (wasn’t leaving GA), Jericho Sims (ehhh), Ira Lee (who?), Ike Obiagu (never developed). I could go on but it doesn’t get better b
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@FarmerJayhawk You got it! On the other hand, Louisville and Arizona…
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@HighEliteMajor Something will happen with KU, I’d bet on that. I also think it just won’t amount to much in the end.
@FarmerJayhawk I feel like we have hashed this out a lot recently. It feels more and more like one of those topics. You know the ones, where neither will change their stance on it regardless of evidence. I won’t bring up the others, it’s all pretty heated issues.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Also the NCAA can go choke on a bag of Richards. I’ll never forget they made a Czech grad transfer dig up 4 years of per diems and meal receipts, then took 3 months to process them all to ensure she wasn’t paid a dime. Almost made her delay her master’s by a year. But blah blah student athlete welfare like they give a rat’s ass about anything but cashing checks.
A bag of richard’s, Lol!! I take that like myself you are not a big fan of as The Boz called them the National Communists Against Athletes?
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They don’t even have almost proof.
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KU can stonewall. See North Carolina, University of
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It’s all really flimsy. They don’t have full context of what the conversations were about or what was said.
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KU can and will contest this. They have the right and ability to withdraw their admission since they only admitted it as a hypothetical.
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Under that definition, every apparel company is a booster and every school is going down in flames since they all do it. See Bagley, Marvin.
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See 4 and 5.
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It won’t be. The LOIC charge is usually reserved for the USC’s of the world, where violations span multiple sports across multiple years.
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Since KU didn’t know about Billy, held him out, then cooperated, the NCAA won’t really care about him. They also can’t compel Billy or his mom to talk. And since the coaches didn’t know, they have zilch.
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The NCAA has a long history of looking out for big basketball programs, especially recently. They let UNC skate after waking up one day and figuring out they didn’t have any jurisdiction over academics after spending years and millions of dollars saying they ackshully did.
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They don’t have anything the FBI gathered. So again, zilch.
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Wilcox is all hat, no cattle. He can preach righteous indignation all he wants but the case against KU is flimsy. The cases against the other schools I mentioned are much stronger, given that they had coaches arrested, actual testimony about the staff playing a part in facilitating payments, and even paying players themselves. KU has none of that.
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Marco said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Also the NCAA can go choke on a bag of Richards. I’ll never forget they made a Czech grad transfer dig up 4 years of per diems and meal receipts, then took 3 months to process them all to ensure she wasn’t paid a dime. Almost made her delay her master’s by a year. But blah blah student athlete welfare like they give a rat’s ass about anything but cashing checks.
A bag of richard’s, Lol!! I take it @FarmerJayhawk that like myself you are not a big fan of as The Boz called them the National Communists Against Athletes?
I have friends in AD’s across the country and I’ll just say none of them have ever said a kind thing about the National Committee of Asshats in Athletics
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BShark said:
@HighEliteMajor Something will happen with KU, I’d bet on that. I also think it just won’t amount to much in the end.
@FarmerJayhawk I feel like we have hashed this out a lot recently. It feels more and more like one of those topics. You know the ones, where neither will change their stance on it regardless of evidence. I won’t bring up the others, it’s all pretty heated issues.
ya people who think we walking through this unscathed is just - just not facing reality.
the NCAA I think has a Vendetta against us - -if there is ANY way that they can make any kind of an example out of us - - you can bet your last pair of Haines they gonna do just that.
You can bet your sweet ass if there is a snowballs chance in hell that they can hit us with a Level one infraction – you can take it to the bank they will… - Like Steve said I think there is a real chance with lose some wins and quite possible stripped of out final 4 - no how - -no way are we walking Scott free from this smelling like a rose. - - -ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
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FarmerJayhawk said:
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They don’t even have almost proof.
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KU can stonewall. See North Carolina, University of
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It’s all really flimsy. They don’t have full context of what the conversations were about or what was said.
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KU can and will contest this. They have the right and ability to withdraw their admission since they only admitted it as a hypothetical.
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Under that definition, every apparel company is a booster and every school is going down in flames since they all do it. See Bagley, Marvin.
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See 4 and 5.
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It won’t be. The LOIC charge is usually reserved for the USC’s of the world, where violations span multiple sports across multiple years.
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Since KU didn’t know about Billy, held him out, then cooperated, the NCAA won’t really care about him. They also can’t compel Billy or his mom to talk. And since the coaches didn’t know, they have zilch.
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The NCAA has a long history of looking out for big basketball programs, especially recently. They let UNC skate after waking up one day and figuring out they didn’t have any jurisdiction over academics after spending years and millions of dollars saying they ackshully did.
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They don’t have anything the FBI gathered. So again, zilch.
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Wilcox is all hat, no cattle. He can preach righteous indignation all he wants but the case against KU is flimsy. The cases against the other schools I mentioned are much stronger, given that they had coaches arrested, actual testimony about the staff playing a part in facilitating payments, and even paying players themselves. KU has none of that.
Well, I guess you seem to think you know.
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Sure. Whatever you say. You know. I mean, because you know all the evidence. You know the results of interviews. You know what documents have been produced. You know all of it.
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That’s a great defense.
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Not really.
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Read the NCAA rule on boosters one more time. As I mentioned, whether we admitted or not, Gassnola, et. al., were boosters. No different than the car dealer that gives money to the program and has season tickets.
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Right, the definition is broad. I pointed out a while back how a rogue person attempting to help could fit that definition. But it’s how they are used, who they are reporting to, and what they do that is important. Our guys got in trouble. They reported to our coaches. Here, they paid our players to come to KU. Lots of crimes in the world get committed. Unlucky folks go to jail. So just because others do it doesn’t mean we skate.
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I assume you agree.
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I would suspect that you are correct. But, of course, that charge is not needed to vacate wins or a FF or miss a tourney.
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Sure, the NCAA won’t care about him, since you say so.
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I hope you’re right.
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So says you. And actually, we know they have what was presented in court. We only have the NCAA making a statement a few months back, but saying they were still pursuing the info. One might also consider that the flow of information might not always be publicly broadcast, and that the flow of information sometimes comes from multiple sources.
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Again, if you say so. I mean, there’s no reason to believe that the NCAA might try to crackdown after coaches and shoeco folks were indicted … since that really hadn’t been a thing until now. But again, you know.
Free your mind. There is a world beyond what you believe. I recognize that we might skate. I think if someone lives in the world believing that it’s highly likely we’ll skate, they are placing too much money on black.
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@HighEliteMajor some points to consider: 1.The FBI did say that we are not at fault, 2. KT’s phone conversation reflects his mindset, but KU didn’t actually do anything that violated NCAA recruiting rules, 3. Also based on KT’s conversation, Zion W. wanted to play for pay; and Zion played for Duke. If anything, Duke should be the one to be nervous, 4. Will NCAA really vacate KU’S games for something beyond ‘institutional control’? That is, judging from a reasonable standard should KU have known that DeSousa was inelgible 5. The point is not about any legal logic, but rather your personal value. How much does it really matter if NCAA vacates our Final 4 year? l have already experienced the high of beating Duke and making it to the F4. They cant take away my memory. I’d be concerned if we had actually won and it will be taken away. No one remembers the 2nd or the 4th place finishers. 6. Nothing in the court documented texts proves anything. They are all circumstantial evidence that defense uses to create doubts. “We good,” “now just got to get a couple real players…” well, this is recruiting. No where did we offer to pay any money. The only paying party is Addidas and its rep: T.J. Gassno… 7. T.J. GassN is an Addidas employee, not a KU booster. NCAA can think however, but he ain’t a booster.
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@BCT The booster definition includes a person that has "Assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes."
So, you should understand that when a booster offers and pays money, that booster is an extension of the university. As the NCAA said in the SDS finding, the Adidas rep was an “agent” for the university.
KT’s conversation is just a part of the puzzle. As I mentioned, as well, circumstantial evidence IS evidence. Folks go to jail on circumstantial evidence all the time. It’s dot connecting that juries (and fact finders) are charged with fulfilling. You said it reflects mindset. Correct. That conclusion then is part of how one might interpret other info, such as the SDS texts. Again, just a part of the equation, but one that supports the conclusion.
Memphis had its entire season wiped out for using an ineligible player that was already cleared. Obviously all cases have different facts.
All of this is just part of the discussion, and why there is more than “we have nothing to worry about.”
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HighEliteMajor said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
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They don’t even have almost proof.
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KU can stonewall. See North Carolina, University of
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It’s all really flimsy. They don’t have full context of what the conversations were about or what was said.
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KU can and will contest this. They have the right and ability to withdraw their admission since they only admitted it as a hypothetical.
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Under that definition, every apparel company is a booster and every school is going down in flames since they all do it. See Bagley, Marvin.
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See 4 and 5.
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It won’t be. The LOIC charge is usually reserved for the USC’s of the world, where violations span multiple sports across multiple years.
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Since KU didn’t know about Billy, held him out, then cooperated, the NCAA won’t really care about him. They also can’t compel Billy or his mom to talk. And since the coaches didn’t know, they have zilch.
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The NCAA has a long history of looking out for big basketball programs, especially recently. They let UNC skate after waking up one day and figuring out they didn’t have any jurisdiction over academics after spending years and millions of dollars saying they ackshully did.
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They don’t have anything the FBI gathered. So again, zilch.
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Wilcox is all hat, no cattle. He can preach righteous indignation all he wants but the case against KU is flimsy. The cases against the other schools I mentioned are much stronger, given that they had coaches arrested, actual testimony about the staff playing a part in facilitating payments, and even paying players themselves. KU has none of that.
Well, I guess you seem to think you know.
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Sure. Whatever you say. You know. I mean, because you know all the evidence. You know the results of interviews. You know what documents have been produced. You know all of it.
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That’s a great defense.
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Not really.
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Read the NCAA rule on boosters one more time. As I mentioned, whether we admitted or not, Gassnola, et. al., were boosters. No different than the car dealer that gives money to the program and has season tickets.
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Right, the definition is broad. I pointed out a while back how a rogue person attempting to help could fit that definition. But it’s how they are used, who they are reporting to, and what they do that is important. Our guys got in trouble. They reported to our coaches. Here, they paid our players to come to KU. Lots of crimes in the world get committed. Unlucky folks go to jail. So just because others do it doesn’t mean we skate.
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I assume you agree.
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I would suspect that you are correct. But, of course, that charge is not needed to vacate wins or a FF or miss a tourney.
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Sure, the NCAA won’t care about him, since you say so.
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I hope you’re right.
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So says you. And actually, we know they have what was presented in court. We only have the NCAA making a statement a few months back, but saying they were still pursuing the info. One might also consider that the flow of information might not always be publicly broadcast, and that the flow of information sometimes comes from multiple sources.
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Again, if you say so. I mean, there’s no reason to believe that the NCAA might try to crackdown after coaches and shoeco folks were indicted … since that really hadn’t been a thing until now. But again, you know.
Free your mind. There is a world beyond what you believe. I recognize that we might skate. I think if someone lives in the world believing that it’s highly likely we’ll skate, they are placing too much money on black.
Oh I’m fully aware of that. I’m a classical liberal in academia, and a member of the Heterodox Academy. Good times!
To be clear, I’m not saying we’ll absolutely skate. I just don’t see a strong case here. The OLC at KU doesn’t think they do either. Long himself has said they can and will assert Gassnola is not a booster. I also know how the DoJ works, and they’re not going to spend time and resources to share with the NCAA.
UNC stonewalled and got off. It can work. Will it here? Not sure. But we know there’s a non-zero probability it will.
I’m in the camp that doesn’t care about vacated wins or titles. Who won in 2013? Louisville. Did Reggie Bush win a Heisman? Yeah, we all saw it happen. Did Memphis win a game to play us in 2008? Sure. They didn’t just appear from the vapor. Unrelated point, but it’s a dumb penalty since it punishes kids who had nothing to do with cheating. Luke Hancock was great in those games (we all remember it) but doesn’t have a ring. So dumb.
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@FarmerJayhawk I’m having what you’re having. If we skate, I’d gladly buy the drinks. I live in a world of pie graphs, though. Probabilities and possibilities. The pie graph is never one color.
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The damn NCAA doesn’t need proof, as such. They don’t share evidence with the public. They simply say”Tag! You’re it!” And any team is screwed. No recourse.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk I’m having what you’re having. If we skate, I’d gladly buy the drinks. I live in a world of pie graphs, though. Probabilities and possibilities. The pie graph is never one color.
Oops. Typo. I’m not saying we’ll absolutely skate. I think there’s a good chance we do based on my analysis of the facts and NCAA SOP. I also only work in the world of probabilities and risk. Much more complicated than the alternative, and unfortunately a way of thinking that society doesn’t emphasize in our education systems.
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From a CBS article today-
“Six college basketball programs involved in the FBI’s investigation into the sport will be hearing from the NCAA about alleged violations this summer.”
“NCAA vice president Stan Wilcox didn’t name schools when he talked to CBS Sports on Wednesday but said that the Southern District of New York’s legal cases would be a good starting point for who will be targeted regarding potential eligibility violations.”
“ ‘ I would just say that it’s clear when you look at the number of cases that were listed by the Southern District of New York, those numbers are more than likely be reflected in the number of cases that are going to be moving forward,’ said Wilcox.”
I wish I could be optimistic. I really do.
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@HighEliteMajor I am on the same wavelength as you. We did play an ineligible player. Vacated wins is a given. FF vacated…given. I think the NCAA is going to pound their chest. Hoping for the best, but I think we will be penalized. Probably scholarship reductions. Hopefully not post season bans…but I think some school(s) will get that.
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Yes true… but very interesting that they backed off on Silvio’s two year penalty. If they can decide whatever they want to do, hard evidence or not, and they ostensibly want to target us, why then give a year back from their original 2 year ban decision?? They didn’t need to do that, correct? They could have easily stuck by their original penalty.
And If they have resources, in terms of the connect-the-dots line of inquiry, the biggest dot-connecting would be Zion to Duke a very short time after the tapped KT phone conversation in which Zion-dad specifically asked for payment… Can or will the NCAA attempt to follow up on that? My guess would be no, way too much to handle at this point.
I don’t have the time or frankly the interest to do a lot of research into what’s going on with different programs (that’s why this site is so great because of the knowledgeable people here) but Did other schools sit players who were under any kind of suspicion of impropriety like we did?? And as been pointed out, we are not close to being the biggest violators in this latest round of allegations…
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@Hawk8086 Sanctions seem inescapable to me. Would be hard for me to believe that we’re not one of the six programs referenced. But the large majority here believes there is not much to be concerned about. Lots of directions this could go.
@Bosthawk I think the DeSousa decision was related to the student-athlete and his particular situation. Think of it this way – we played a player, through the final four, who was then suspended for a full season. Further, it might give an insight into the NCAA’s view of the seriousness of this when they hit DeSousa with a two year suspension initially. That’s a big deal. Also, remember, the appeals board is a different composition - the Student-Athlete Reinstatement Committee. The Duke thing has me very interested too, and I would be curious as well as to what the NCAA is doing on that – if we are hit with sanctions.
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@HighEliteMajor Many people thought UNC would be punished heavily too. I just don’t have much confidence in the NCAA to do much of anything.
I expect KU to get served with a NOA. I also expect it to be fought and not much to come out of it. I’m more than fine with some games technically not counting and a reduction of 1-2 scholarships. Basically just avoid a post season ban and I’m good.
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@HighEliteMajor “it might give an insight into the NCAA’s view of the seriousness of this when they hit DeSousa with a two year suspension initially. That’s a big deal. Also, remember, the appeals board is a different composition - the Student-Athlete Reinstatement Committee.”
A lot of people forget this. They didn’t say SDSs suspension was unjust they just said 2 years was. If he/we were 100% innocent then SDS would be a SO and not a JR.
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I’ll wait to see the announcements. We know we were investigated and logic would seem to suggest at minimum we get some sort of NOA regardless if the findings are minor or serious in nature. I fully believe KU will fight and have solid ground to stand on. None of that matters with the NCAA though. The headlines won’t be pretty, again, if this is smeared the right way. I think the thing that will be of most interest is whether KT or Self is directly assumed of guilt in the NOA…
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The NCAA was going to let him play as a SR, instead of a full on ban. That’s at least something slightly positive.
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Solid point here. They could have permanently banned him which basically happened to Bowen for example.
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Bosthawk said:
I don’t have the time or frankly the interest to do a lot of research into what’s going on with different programs (that’s why this site is so great because of the knowledgeable people here) but Did other schools sit players who were under any kind of suspicion of impropriety like we did?? And as been pointed out, we are not close to being the biggest violators in this latest round of allegations…
Yes other players were held out. Miami & Auburn did this. I’m probably missing a few others off the top of my head.
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@BeddieKU23 The schools that just played guys who they directly paid though… If anyone is getting absolutely murdered, it’s NC State.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 The schools that just played guys who they directly paid though… If anyone is getting absolutely murdered, it’s NC State.
you mean Cleveland St?? Couldn’t resist.
USC, Arizona, Louisville, NC St, Auburn have serious issues facing them. I’d put KU in the next tier of worry
