Wilson to Kansas
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truehawk93 said:
The more I read and think, the more I think Enarauna and Braun should RS. I’m starting a campaign to RS those two.
Braun for sure. Enaruna wouldn’t be here 5 years so no point. Enaruna is a guy we need to develop, I think Bill sneaks him out there when possible this year. Can grow into a beast.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Self and Howard dominated this recruitment. They locked in and got em
And people tried to criticize Howard AGAIN this offseason.
That dude is on the path to becoming a head coach, no doubt in my mind. I would guess he ends up a serious contender for the Depaul job the next time it opens up.
BUT HE MISSED ON SOME GUYS LIKE EVERYONE DOES. lol
He got Dave and Marcus too.
This year I know Roberts was on Enaruna. Don’t remember who was on Braun and McBride but it probably could have been you or me…
He’s not proven yet.
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truehawk93 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Self and Howard dominated this recruitment. They locked in and got em
And people tried to criticize Howard AGAIN this offseason.
That dude is on the path to becoming a head coach, no doubt in my mind. I would guess he ends up a serious contender for the Depaul job the next time it opens up.
BUT HE MISSED ON SOME GUYS LIKE EVERYONE DOES. lol
He got Dave and Marcus too.
This year I know Roberts was on Enaruna. Don’t remember who was on Braun and McBride but it probably could have been you or me…
He’s not proven yet.
Howard? Sure he is.
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Howard helped secure Q as well. Didn’t work out but that was a big time signing.
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BShark said:
Howard helped secure Q as well. Didn’t work out but that was a big time signing.
And he was on Hampton right?
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@BShark I feel you and would tend to agree on Enarauna, but he’s not even stepped foot on the court and you have him gone in 1-2 years? Maybe, but he’s a huge challenge for your rotation right now in the front court. Geez if what your saying is a strong likelihood, we could lose our entire front court next season.
So, he develops this year? Gone after 2nd yr?
We lose Doke, SDS, and likely Big Mac…yikes. This would leave Enarauna as the lone returning front court big with a year of coming off the bench for Self.
I’m a little concerned. I would tend to present it to him. He might be willing to stay 3 yrs…1 RS and maybe 2 starting? He could jump after his junior year. I hate to say it, but Doke’s injuries will encourage players to jump regardless. We all know players should stay at least 2-3 years, but NBA is just too tempting.
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@truehawk93 Enaruna just not a 5 year guy, so there isn’t a point in RSing him. Always the chance that he transfers too, and not RSing makes that an easier option. There is a reason why we don’t see too many guys RS under Self, especially recently. I think Braun is the perfect candidate. A KS kid that bleeds crimson and blue and was also recruited over twice in the same class after signing.
I don’t think Enaruna is all that ready either. I have him around 6 minutes a game this year. I don’t think he is two and done either. He’s just not a 5 year guy. 5 year guys are rare, and typically lower level guys without much in the way of pro basketball aspirations. Redshirting simply doesn’t make sense unless you are staying all five years. There is no point in redshirting one year and playing two. Just never redshirt and keep all three years available, even if playing just a few minutes a game it’s better to have to option and get him experience when you can.
We aren’t losing Dave. He will likely be the starting 5 as a JR.
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Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Howard helped secure Q as well. Didn’t work out but that was a big time signing.
And he was on Hampton right?
Correct.
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Dotson - 32
Agbaji - 27
Moss - 25
Garrett - 23
De Sousa - 23
Doke - 22
Dave - 17
Wilson - 16
Mitch - 10
Enaruna - 9
McBride - 8
Braun - RS
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Dotson - 32
Agbaji - 27
Moss - 25
Garrett - 23
De Sousa - 23
Doke - 22
Dave - 17
Wilson - 16
Mitch - 10
Enaruna - 9
McBride - 8
Braun - RS
Bill can now warp time and space to get over 200 minutes a game.
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BShark said:
Howard helped secure Q as well. Didn’t work out but that was a big time signing.
Whoa…I think we are confusing Howards…LOL…I’m addressing Juwan Howard at Michigan, NOT Snacks. I think you all are complimenting Snacks on his role with Wilson, and YES definitely great work.
I’m addressing Juwan Howard and the fact that his being a new player/coach gave Snacks and KU a great advantage. Hardaway at Memphis is interesting because he has been by far the most influential player/coach to have recruiting success.
Sorry, I confused the Howard discussion.
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@HighEliteMajor He used the word " toughness" to describe JW. That’s worth 10 more minutes…
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@truehawk93 Oh, yeah we were all talking about the KU AC Jerrance Howard. The subject of the KU fanbase giving him crap came up again.
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BShark said:
@truehawk93 Oh, yeah we were all talking about the KU AC Jerrance Howard. The subject of the KU fanbase giving him crap came up again.
LOL…my bad
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@BShark They are per game averages… It doesn’t need to add up perfectly to 200.
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@truehawk93 No worries. I was wondering where the miscommunication was though, because it definitely felt like we weren’t talking about the same thing.
Agree that Juwan is unproven and we will see if he can coach much. Jury is still out on Penny as well.
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I would definitely agree that Jayhawk Nation needs to get off Snack’s back. He’s done a great job.
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truehawk93 said:
Excellent…welcome Mr Wilson, I’ve been wanting to say that for a while now. Great job Self and Co. Let’s get to work and make the most of the deep talent we have now. Let’s make this year count. Also, let’s not get caught up in the rhetoric of preseason. Frankly, I don’t care where we are ranked, let’s take one game at a time all the way through the April nets. RCJHGOKU
People get WAY to hung up on these dam rankings - -things have a tendenacy to play their selves out. - Ya they look pretty - -nice to thump your chest about. - nice to be able to throw some shade talk smack for some BUT at the end of the day – still comes down to ONE thing -that’s being able to win the title - -the NATIONAL title. I mean seriously if you ask players/teams what’s more important to you - being ranked in the top 25 for multiple years (Saying hey we were ranked # 1-2-3 - for so many years straight - -OR being able to wear that National Championship ring - I’ll let you decide that.
People just get butt hurt if they feel like they need to be ranked higher, dam take your talent your team has and run with it- -show who you are on the floor. - - everything else will work it’self out - -do your talking on the floor - -Then at the end of the yr and were hoisting the National Championship trophy - then talk your BS - simply ask - and how many weeks in a row have you been ranked in the top 25 again? - -# 1 again - as you raise that trophy - -nuff said
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truehawk93 said:
approxinfinity said:
First guess without looking at last year’s minutes:
Dot 31 (we have depth, can preserve him)
Garrett 26 (Pet. D leader. Good dude. We will beat teams bad enough to let this happen.
Ochai 25
Silvio (Doke will need rest and Wilson isn’t ready) 25
Doke 26 (unless hurt)
Moss 22
Dave 17 (unless Doke hurt)
Wilson 7
McBride 7
Mitch 7
Enanura 3
Wave The Wheat 1
Also, I agree more with your numbers in big games. Except Wilson.
Wilson should be a bit of a match up challenge in the 3–4. He has the “scoring” prowess that Self loves in that 4 role that Self willed Mario Little and Vick into over the years. We need someone that can get in the middle of those ZONES and bust them open. I think Wilson will be about right. But then, he has the range to step out around the arc. It would make sense to play small ball with him at the 4. I would then go big by putting him at the 3. We all know Self has been forced into small ball, and will go to that when needed. Actually I’d say Self has had some significant results with small ball.
Small:
Dotson/McBride - 6’ and change
Moss - 6-4
Garrett/Braun 6-5,8
Wilson 6-8
SDS/Enarauna 6-9 Feels good writing SDS in the line up.
Big:
Garrett/Dotson
Moss/Garrett
Wilson/Braun (?) Really curious to see how Braun factors.
SDS
Doke/Big Mac
Does anyone think ‘maybe’ Enarauna takes a RS? Even remotely? I hope Self isn’t RS shy, but he seems the odd possibility, at least from my standpoint.
Nope don’t see him redshirting
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@BShark Not to get too hung up on this, but the total minutes per game for last season’s KU team was 247.8. Shit happens during the course of the season.
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BShark said:
@truehawk93 No worries. I was wondering where the miscommunication was though, because it definitely felt like we weren’t talking about the same thing.
Agree that Juwan is unproven and we will see if he can coach much. Jury is still out on Penny as well.
I can’t wait to see what Penny does with his talent. I am amazed at who he has lured. I predict he has more than he can handle. He won’t be able to translate. He will underachieve and Memphis will expect huge results. He will have 1-3 seasons, and he will likely be on the hot seat.
This my friends is interesting. Look at your older player/coaches and the success they’ve had as coaches. Then, look at your younger, NBA coaches lately that are coaching in college. They don’t transition well. Many of the current player/coaches that have a fair record struggle. I just don’t see Howard and Hardaway making much of a showing. Players don’t necessarily make good coaches, even if they played in the NBA.
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BShark said:
HighEliteMajor said:
Just kind of knowing coach Self there …
Tale as old as time
True as it can be
You know the rest…
Is Self “Beauty” and Mitch is “Beast”?
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When was the last time Self had a redshirt senior that wasnt redshirted by another program? Maybe this becomes relevant again with 50-150 rated guys? But there isn’t much of a precedent I don’t think.
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@approxinfinity Mitch and Garrett lol. Two beasts this year. Probably a bit unfair to Garrett, who I think is a better player than Mitch.
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approxinfinity said:
When was the last time Self had a redshirt senior that wasnt redshirted by another program? Maybe this becomes relevant again with 50-150 rated guys? But there isn’t much of a precedent I don’t think.
Brady, Releford, Jamari, Lucas.
Jamari was forced into it due to academics.
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Starting to think about lineups…
I could be wrong here, but from what I’ve seen, this may end up being the best “handles” team we’ve had since our 2008 team! Granted… our big handle players might be green freshmen, but none the less, I’m seeing the potential for some dynamic offense that we’ve not really had since 2008.
I’m not sure how much of this applies to the upcoming year, but after that… and then it matters who sticks around after next year. I wish Devon would hang out one more year after this season but I have my doubts.
In thinking about “big lineups” and “small lineups” it is paramount to think about who has the handles, especially with the small lineup. The advantage should be to get out and run! When was the last time we had a real running team? Guys like Svi were great shooters, but he only had average handles. I’m looking at Devon and some of our new guys and then Isaiah… wow! Handles! And the foot speed to go with it!
SDS can handle rebounding for a small lineup and let’s not discount his speed!
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Self doesn’t like to redshirt freshmen.
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approxinfinity said:
Is Self “Beauty” and Mitch is “Beast”?
That’s “PrisonBeast”, sir!
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dylans said:
Self doesn’t like to redshirt freshmen.
The way I understand it is Bill leaves it completely up to the kid. And honestly after the Ochai situation last year he might become even more averse to RS. Never know when you might need a kid!
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@Kcmatt7 Howard is our best recruiter.
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BShark said:
@truehawk93 Enaruna just not a 5 year guy, so there isn’t a point in RSing him. Always the chance that he transfers too, and not RSing makes that an easier option. There is a reason why we don’t see too many guys RS under Self, especially recently. I think Braun is the perfect candidate. A KS kid that bleeds crimson and blue and was also recruited over twice in the same class after signing.
I don’t think Enaruna is all that ready either. I have him around 6 minutes a game this year. I don’t think he is two and done either. He’s just not a 5 year guy. 5 year guys are rare, and typically lower level guys without much in the way of pro basketball aspirations. Redshirting simply doesn’t make sense unless you are staying all five years. There is no point in redshirting one year and playing two. Just never redshirt and keep all three years available, even if playing just a few minutes a game it’s better to have to option and get him experience when you can.
We aren’t losing Dave. He will likely be the starting 5 as a JR.
Enaruna is going to cut into Mitch’s PT bigtime. In fact, I’ll say it, redshirt Mitch.
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@BShark LOVE IT
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BShark said:
@approxinfinity Mitch and Garrett lol. Two beasts this year. Probably a bit unfair to Garrett, who I think is a better player than Mitch.
I totally agree. Garrett is your back court glue and will definitely school the others, with Dotson.
Mitch will be invaluable in the front court with the bigs.
Check out this pic of Garrett. He’s been spending time with Hudy. That boy be Reeeeeped. Check out his arms. Dang the last few years he looked like a little boy. Dude has become a damn man in a Summer. It’s amazing what Hudy-izing can do to a playa.
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Forgot to mention this earlier. A few days ago JW posted a picture on his Snapchat and on it it said “almost pro”. I hope he doesn’t think he’s a OAD or that Bill promised him minutes that would make us uncomfortable. I could be over thinking like usual. What do you guys think?
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rockchalkwyo said:
Forgot to mention this earlier. A few days ago JW posted a picture on his Snapchat and on it it said “almost pro”. I hope he doesn’t think he’s a OAD or that Bill promised him minutes that would make us uncomfortable. I could be over thinking like usual. What do you guys think?
Overthinking
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From what I understand his circle realizes that he needs some time in the oven. Very much doubt Bill made a starting or minutes promise.
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Maybe he’s just improving!
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Maybe not the best thing to say considering the current climate lol, but you know he was paid. Many of these kids rightfully view college as a stepping stone to pro ball so the comment totally makes sense from that perspective.
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Thanks for calming me down and bringing me back to reality guys
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It’s far from a guarantee that Wilson even gets more than 5 mpg this year. I personally see Enaruna beating him out for PT. But i know others don’t feel that same way.
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@Kcmatt7 Wilson and Enaruna play different positions. Wilson is a stretch 4 and Enaruna is a 3. Wilson or McBride/Harris (whichever gets the back up PG job) will be the freshman with the most minutes this year.
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Kcmatt7 said:
It’s far from a guarantee that Wilson even gets more than 5 mpg this year. I personally see Enaruna beating him out for PT. But i know others don’t feel that same way.
your right – -but just like everyone else - - your totally entitled to your opinion - that’s what makes this room so good. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@Kcmatt7 Wilson and Enaruna play different positions. Wilson is a stretch 4 and Enaruna is a 3. Wilson or McBride/Harris (whichever gets the back up PG job) will be the freshman with the most minutes this year.
You might be right. But Enaruna is 6’9 and looks like a modern athletic 4 to me.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 That’s the first time I’ve seen Enaruna as a 3. How’s he going to defend the 3?
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@Kcmatt7 Self or some other coach said he was only 6-8. He also doesn’t have a frame like Wilson to put on much more weight, he’ll probably top out at about 220 lbs whereas Wilson will probably top out at 235-240. Enaruna is an above average ball handler like Svi and slashing is the most advanced part of his game at this point.
Jalen Wilson is an average at best ball handler for his size. Every recruiting service also has Enaruna listed as a 3.
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@KUSTEVE Enaruna has a very similar frame to Svi and Svi primarily played the 3.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You could also say his frame was close to Kevin Young. I went back and watched his videos, and he looks like a 3. He’s skinny as a rail. He’d get mauled in the paint. Not sure I saw the quickness of a 3. This looks to me to be a red shirt all the way.
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It seems like we have a wealth of new potential, primarily undeveloped.
I feel like we can expect to see at least one RS this coming season.
None of us know the status of future recruiting and the true intent of some of our current players on whether they will go or stay next year… the inside track. That plays a role in all of this. We all point to Mitch and how he will be needed more in the following year and for that reason, he may want to RS to best help a future team.
This is all one big puzzle and at stake is the potential success of our team and also impacting the success of players concerning their professional futures.
I don’t think any of us realize how complicated all of this is and how capable a coach must be to make the right decisions, considering all the factors, all the players, while attempting to put the best team on the floor this year and in future years.
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@drgnslayr If Enaruna is playing the 3, he might not see a second of time this year. I thot he had a path to a few minutes at the 4, but playing the 3…imo…means no way, Jose. Too much room at the inn. And i’m still left wondering how he’ll defend either 3 or the 4.
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@KUSTEVE Kevin Young came into a very different situation though. KU’s depth those 2 years were nonexistent in the front court so Young played the 4 out of necessity more than anything. Young had two things going for him that helped him not be totally overwhelmed when he was in. The first was that he was older when he got to KU, I think he was 22 when he got here so his body was more mature. Second, Young had very long arms that helped him on defense and getting rebounds. Had KU had more depth those two years, I think we would’ve seen Young at the three because there definitely times when he was physically overmatched on defense.
With Tristan, he doesn’t look like he has the length KY did, longer than Svi, but not freakishly long like KY. Also, given Enaruna’s background as a Euro player, his fundamentals are pretty advanced. Tristan’s game is also much more suited to the three spot than any other position on the floor. Like a lot of Euro players, defense is probably going to be a weakness for Tristan early on. It was for Svi and for a lot of other Euro players even when they reach the NBA.
