The Next Coach
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Tomorrow could be wild…
I’m very ready.
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Sounds like Beaty could be out as soon as tomorrow afternoon.
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kjayhawks said:
Sounds like Beaty could be out as soon as tomorrow afternoon.
I wouldn’t really rely on that to much , don’t think that will happen - -think they will go ahead and let him finish out. - -Wouldn’t make a lot of sense for Miles to come in Now.
Unless the only way would fire Coach and let someone from staff finish the season - - Go ahead then and let Les go out and see if he can recruit while the final 4 weeks - -I’m still kind of doubtful Les is coming here -just don’t know - -I’ll believe it when Isee it. - -ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 I think if they do it, it will because of fan support. Only 15,500fans were at today’s game and I’d say over half were ISU fans. Joe Dineen actually called out fans after the game and I agree. KSU has the same record as us but will have a full stadium their last 2 home games. We need to support these guys as best as we can, they are working hard.
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@kjayhawks Well not making a bowl game in 10 years excuses a lack of fan support imo. It isn’t even a competitive product on the field. And hasn’t been since 09.
I realize the players are working hard. But showing financial support also empowers the University to not make necessary changes. The only way you can show how you feel to the KU athletics department is with your wallet.
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Well yep. - -KU HAS announced they will be having a meeting/announcement whatever at 12;00 noon. - -So ya looks like he for sure is gone.
Even if Les has secretly been hired I still don’t think they wil lcome oit and mention him tomorrow - -just focusing on Beaty tommorrow
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@jayballer73 Contract extension! Because crappy programs always do that a couple months before firing someone. (So do corporations about to go under.) Just remember, you heard it here first!
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I was at the game today and if there were not any Iowa St fans there I would guess it would have been 5-7,000 KU fans. There is no fan support for this program and coach. I don’t blame anyone for not going or wanting to go. The product that Beaty trots out there every week is a joke.
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This was a foregone conclusion when Long was hired. Just a complete waste of time to have kept Beatty this season. Beatty couldn’t recruit to fit what he wanted to do. We have zero commitments (one?). This was an unnecessary waste of a year. Beatty was another disaster. Success is on the horizon though.
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@HighEliteMajor You couldn’t really Fire a guy at the beginning of fall camp when Long was hired. Soren is now saying KU will allow Beaty to lose the final 3 games or finish year before he is released.
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@kjayhawks I get you’re point. But you know how you fire a guy before the season? You walk in and say, “You’re fired. Get out.” And you appoint the best assistant as interim coach. I think we would have had a better chance without Beatty. But who cares now? I don’t. I’m just excited that this is happening.
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HighEliteMajor said:
This was a foregone conclusion when Long was hired. Just a complete waste of time to have kept Beatty this season. Beatty couldn’t recruit to fit what he wanted to do. We have zero commitments (one?). This was an unnecessary waste of a year. Beatty was another disaster. Success is on the horizon though.
Completely agree with you on this. Which I think means the world is ending.
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http://m.kusports.com/news/2018/nov/03/kus-response-report-beatys-job-evaluation-football/
http://m.kusports.com/news/2018/nov/03/tom-keegan-coaching-change-would-energize-fanbase/
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@HighEliteMajor I’m not a fan of Beaty, but neither do I think firing him is a magic fix for KU football. And I don’t know how anyone can believe “Success is on the horizon.”
Prior to this season, I did a review of Kansas football over the past 60 years. Beginning with Jack Mitchell, overall record since 1958 was 268 wins, 393 losses, 14 ties. The winning percentage over that time is .405. With a 12-game schedule that would be 4-5 wins a year. Only nine bowl games, averaging one every 6-7 years. Not what most people would call “success.”
Of the 14 coaches over that timeframe, only Mangino had a winning record (50-48). Regarding Mangino’s team in 2007, the overall record of opponents was 65-87, with only four having a winning record. The record of all Big 12 opponents KU played was 26-38.
They didn’t have to play Texas, Texas Tech, or Oklahoma that year. Generally, three guaranteed losses every year. So I’m not sure that’s the year everyone should be hoping to duplicate.
I don’t think Beaty’s the answer, but neither do I think he’s the reason for continual losing football at KU.
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I think another important aspect is getting Bowen out as well. Beaty is clueless but it’s long past time for Bowen to be out.
@Wigs2 Get the right coach and money going into the program and you can play above your historical station. KSU did that for awhile, Clemson is doing it now*. KU did it with Mangino. The money aspect is really important. The next hire needs to be good to put butts in seats. Football money is huge.
*Not saying KU can get to Clemson’s level at all. KU clearly has a lower floor and ceiling.
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@Wigs2 Agee some what for sure. - -There was a lot of people that when KU hired Charlie Weis - thought OK, ya know here we go - - we all saw how THAT turned out- - with Grand master plan people think Dammmmmmmmmmmm , especially when we had these what a lot of people again thought , man 5 star -Jake Heaps came into the program - - and Crist came in - total diasters .
I feel like that even IF Les Miles comes in , there are going to be some people ONCE again think all right now we gonna kick some ass. - -This is kind of along the lines of what your talking about. KU will never be a football power. - what you showed pretty well goes right along with that.
Then again I think people would think along the lines If he could get us started back , bring us back to some kind of respectibilty we would be happy with that. Just so many so frustrated at pretty much being the laughing stock of America in this present football program. – - just a least have some respect - -right now others look at when we come on their schedule and just laugh.
4 , 5 , 6 wins I think if you were to ask and IF people were perfectly honest could settle for that , some bowl games mixed in people could handle that. At least be able to look for to going out on a fall Saturday afternoon and be able to actually enjoy going to the game and watch a well contested game and be able to watch the guys compete I think that would be nice
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BShark said:
I think another important aspect is getting Bowen out as well. Beaty is clueless but it’s long past time for Bowen to be out.
@Wigs2 Get the right coach and money going into the program and you can play above your historical station. KSU did that for awhile, Clemson is doing it now*. KU did it with Mangino. The money aspect is really important. The next hire needs to be good to put butts in seats. Football money is huge.
*Not saying KU can get to Clemson’s level at all. KU clearly has a lower floor and ceiling.
sorry man but I have to totally disagree with you on Clint’s side of the ball. The defense is much better. Yesterday is a perfect example.
Other then two big plays yesterday the defense did more then hold there own. - -ONE of those two our DB was in perfect position , the only problem was all in height. - -One was 6’6 Hasan was a good 6-7 inches shorter just out jumped him plain truth. Great goal line defense. - -Leads the Nation in opposition true nothing yesterday but still . The defense kept it respectable - -only outscored 7-3 in the 2nd half yesterday.
If it wasn’t for the defense - you look other then the points they did have - they didn’t have even any other possibilities - excluding the goal line stand. - now you look at our possibilities?
Robinson drops a wide open TD pass - that’s 7 - - - Deep in ISU territory Robinson stripped - -7 or 3 at the very least. - - - I think twice we were inside the ten couldn’t score. Still stimid as to why when you have the ball at like the three been running well and all of a sudden you throw THREE straight passes don’t even try to run it once - -that’s Beaty play calling. - -No not at all on the defense - -They have shown a lot of improvement , still having to be on the field way to long , because of our inept Offense
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@Wigs2 it’s not just about a coaching change. It is about a culture change. This program needs a reboot.
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@Wigs2 Beatty had four seasons. It’s his baby. He ran the show, and chose the wrong path. He didn’t get the athletes here for the system he chose to run.
The key is the right coach. I do think success can be achieved here. It’s been proven. It seems wildly pessimistic to think it can’t when there is clear evidence that it can. Further, “success” is relative. I’m suggesting we can be what Iowa St. has been. Or even KSU or OSU. Again, we’ve proven before that we can be that good.
I’ve said this before, and said this before Keegan did a full column on it, one path to respectability is to run the flexbone like GT, or Army, etc. It will not win you a national title, it won’t likely get you to some respectable bowl game, but you’ll win. And you’ll get to (less respectable) bowl games. That is what I think Beatty should have done. Beatty tried to run a system offensively that he was sorely undermanned to operate successfully. It’s his fault.
But with a new coach coming in, and hopefully better recruiting, there may be better paths than the flexbone. But I can assure you this, if we can’t recruit much better, running the flexbone is really the only option to increase success.
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Shortening the game is HUGE when you are at a talent disadvantage. A run heavy scheme also greatly benefits the defense.
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Woodrow said:
@Wigs2 it’s not just about a coaching change. It is about a culture change. This program needs a reboot.
Absolutely agree with you. A good deal of the KU fan base seems to be of the opinion that because it has an elite basketball program a mediocre to average football program is all we can expect. Yes, at this time the floor is pretty low but he ceiling is the same as any other P5 school. I also understand that a much longer and steeper set of stairs is needed but if it had started building slowly a few years ago the program would be much closer to the ceiling than to the floor. KU needs to find a superior coach and pay him accordingly and move on. I seem to recall reading that in recent years KU has paid more to (former) coaches for not coaching than coaches for actual coaching; this trend needs to stop and the culture needs to change.
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@BShark Exactly. The longer the game, the more likely the better team wins. Further, the flexbone is a preparation nightmare not just because of the run focus, but the nature of how the run plays develop (significant misdirection and different angles of attack) and play action passing. Much different than the more conventional run focus by a team like KSU.
@JayHawkFanToo It appears we might have been better off paying the coaches this season to NOT coach as well …
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Soo has anyone heard anymore about Beaty? - - they suppose to have a conference at 12:00 but haven’t seen anything officially to announce anything
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@jayballer73 just a release today, and a presser once the new coach is hired. At least that’s last I knew
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KU hasn’t released anything. There was never a PC scheduled for noon today. That was just a rumor.
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KC stations reporting but citing another station as source so reliability is suspect.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 just a release today, and a presser once the new coach is hired. At least that’s last I knew
Oh so today they jut announcing he has been let go and such - -then a press release when we DO hire a new coach
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jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 just a release today, and a presser once the new coach is hired. At least that’s last I knew
Oh so today they jut announcing he has been let go and such - -then a press release when we DO hire a new coach
Which might happen tonight.
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Sounds like it. I won’t believe it until he puts on the hat
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@HighEliteMajor As I said previously, I’m not saying Beaty’s the guy. I just think way too much of the blame has been put on him. And people who think a Miles or Doeren, or anyone else is going to all of a sudden make KU a consistent winner–or even a.500 team–is probably going to be disappointed.
I may be wrong but I just don’t think it will happen.
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@Wigs2 I’m just going to assume you don’t watch the game, are related to Beaty, or related to someone on the staff.
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Presser for firing or is a hiring happening today? Not a lot of options if we are hiring someone. Miles, Beilma, Mora, Jones are about the only guys I can think of if we hired someone right now
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I don’t think a presser has been confirmed.
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It’s in Long’s release.
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@Woodrow Wrong on all counts. Although I will say it has come to the point that I don’t really care what they do.
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@Wigs2 at this point, he’s a problem. Look at how unorganized this team is. We run a trick plays almost every game but can barely execute a normal play. Our o-line play is a joke. Small schools are able to put together a line capable of not letting their QB get killed. Our playcalling gets stale as games go on. There is nothing even close to special about our offense. We are an “air raid” offense that can’t score 20 points.
Maybe someone else can’t fix it either, but Beaty has shown that he definitely can’t.
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@Kcmatt7 100% agree, it’s sad that Nichols has a better oline than us. There isn’t a excuse for that in year 4.
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Woodrow said:
I don’t think a presser has been confirmed.
They gave the press release - -said they would have more around 6 tonight
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@Wigs2 Ok, I said “on the horizon” and you seemed to discount that possibility. I think we all agree nothing willl be “sudden.”
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@HighEliteMajor Before I looked into all the history of the program, I was kinda hopeful that a new coach could come in and turn it around. But I didn’t realize that, in the last 60 years, every coach except Mangino had a losing record. His was only 50 wins and 48 losses over 8 years. I’m just not real confident that another new coach can make this a respectable program. I have been a fan since I was a kid in the 1950s, so I hope I’m wrong. Also I hope it doesn’t take so long that I won’t be around to see it.
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I think most of us are realists. But, 6-39 isn’t going to cut it. I’d gladly take a guy with a .450ish winning percentage and puts out a product that sees a bowl game every 2-3 seasons and just generally puts out a football team that at least has a chance to win most weekends. Make the KSU rivalry fun. Pull off an upset every so often.
Just don’t be a laughing stock at this point.
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The next coach is going to be Les Miles. The people that expect him to replicate his LSU success will be in for a disappointing tenure because that won’t happen. Miles replicating what he did at Oklahoma State is a realistic possibility. While OSU wasn’t in the same boat KU is in now, they weren’t a good program when he took over. An occasional 7 or 8 win season mixed in with a lot of 3 and 4 win seasons was the better part of OSU’s recent history prior to Les Miles.
Next year, the defense will take a step back because of what they’re going to lose along the front 7. The secondary will be the strength of the defense next year.
The offense won’t be exciting because Miles runs a pro style offense, but he will at least be able to get the ball to Pooka in open space via screens and read options with Stanley or Kendrick at QB next year.
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@Kcmatt7 completely agree. I think the majority of fans just want a team that is competitive on almost every Saturday. Beatys teams haven’t sniffed that. Sure there are going to be days that you run into a OU hitting on all cylinders and you get beat by 30 like KSU did last week. It shouldn’t happen week in and week out to teams that are not very good though.
I’d be happy if you told me our team would win somewhere between 4-8 games every year.
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https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1059215935796637698?s=21
Decent list here by Thamel.
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Well just got through listening to Longs talk. Kind of interesting he states that Age will not be a factor.
He stated that because of the Early Signing period and transfers where a pat of the reason for announcing now about the change.
He said just since the announcing of this today has had multiple inquiries from potential Coach’s. - – Hmm found it interesting WHY some media would even ask about being open to minorities . – Of Course he would - if he finds someone who would be interested and they meet the qualifications - -why wouldn’t he. - -As long as they can get this turned around - -I don’t give a rats ass whether he is White – Black - -Red – Blue - -Yellow = I’m not interested in his skin color - -I’m only interested in someone that can help dig us out of this hole.
He says the fans are a big part of the solution . got to get them back. - -
I think in a way he kind of countradicted himself - -He said he has no timeline BUT yet on the other hand he talked about the Early signing period and transfers - -makes me think he is wanting to get this done soon. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I thought along did a fine job. Took all the questions and answered them nicely. There could have been some better questions but that’s on the media.
@jayballer73 I just don’t think he want d to put a specific timeline on it. He didn’t want to say this will be done in 10 days, because if something happens and he doesn’t meet that timeline then people freak out. I feel pretty confident that he will have named a new coach by Dec 1 at the very latest.
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A couple thoughts.
-Long has a plan, and he’s sticking to it. He was never going to rush into anything, like firing Beaty after Nicholls. Agree or disagree with the plan, but he’s had one and now we can all see the wheels are in motion.
-He really wants fan support. He’s not blaming the fans like some like to bitch about, but you could see he was pissed at ISU having more fans than KU at Memorial yesterday. Could he have been more artful? Sure. But I kind of liked seeing some emotion. He’s just asking for fan support. What kind of CEO doesn’t ask for consumers to try their product or service? We’d all hate him for being apathetic and mailing it in if he didn’t mention getting fan support, and rightly so.
-He has a list of candidates in his head, and knows who’s serious and who isn’t. Guessing that those who are actually serious called up Long before today. Those who just called are probably in the camp of trying to get a raise from their current employers. Could’ve been a jab telling those guys to not even bother.
-Related to the process, I like that he’s taking charge and not hiring a stupid search firm that comes up with the same list that we could here, just for seven figures more. Keep it in house and make the decision. Also was clear there has to be a formal process. We can’t just call up Les and tell him he’s the guy tomorrow. KU is public so there are some EEOC type things we have to do first. Which is fine, that’s the nature of the beast, but I don’t expect the list within the list to be very long.
-On the timeline, it’ll be done quickly. By keeping it in house and calling it “all encompassing,” Long has staked out that he’s going to do this right and do it quickly so the new guy can start recruiting immediately to have a semblance of a class together by the early signing period. That tells me it’ll be done no later than December 1.
-At the end of the process, I still think it’s Miles. He checks all the boxes Long articulated both on Twitter and in his presser. Doesn’t seem like the type to outsmart himself.
