Preseason Hype/Discussion
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@JayHawkFanToo This is a good series in general.
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If Mitch plays one real minute at the three I will be shocked.
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So, Kenpomâs system isnât without issues especially for preseason but KU is #1 on Kenpom preseason and itâs not even close.
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BShark said:
If Mitch plays one real minute at the three I will be shocked.
I could see him getting a few minutes here and there at the 3 this season. Definitely not equal to what he will at the 4. I think most of those minutes at the 3 would come due to foul issues though or if Self wants to go with a huge line up. Silvio playing this year would also probably make Mitch playing some minutes at the 3 the best way to get him on the floor.
I think this would also likely be Self experimenting with different line up combinations during the nonconference part of the schedule and wouldnât expect to see Mitch at the 3 during B12 play except in extreme situations.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
BShark said:
If Mitch plays one real minute at the three I will be shocked.
I could see him getting a few minutes here and there at the 3 this season. Definitely not equal to what he will at the 4. I think most of those minutes at the 3 would come due to foul issues though or if Self wants to go with a huge line up. Silvio playing this year would also probably make Mitch playing some minutes at the 3 the best way to get him on the floor.
I think this would also likely be Self experimenting with different line up combinations during the nonconference part of the schedule and wouldnât expect to see Mitch at the 3 during B12 play except in extreme situations.
Right. I could have been more clear but by real minutes I meant close/big games and not when KU is up big against a team such as South Dakota.
I can definitely see Self fooling around in those types of situations.
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@BShark I saw the KenPom rankings this morning and while I wasnât surprised KU was #1 I was shocked by the margin as you pointed out.
Was also surprised at Texas being #16 seems a little high to me.
Also WVU at #10 and KSU at #12.
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@BShark Lightfoot shouldnât be getting big minutes in big/close games period this year unless Silvio doesnât play this year
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark Lightfoot shouldnât be getting big minutes in big/close games period this year unless Silvio doesnât play this year
Agree. Even if Silvio canât go tbh Iâd rather KJ be used as the back-up 4.
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@BShark That would largely depend on match ups to me. I donât know how well KJ could handle a physical 4 and with Mitchâs added bulk, Iâd think heâd be better suited for those types of match ups.
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Self on Agbaji
âThatâs one of the ones that was luck that we got,â Self said. âWe didnât recruit Ochai hard, [assistant coach Norm Roberts] thought he could play well enough that I should go watch him. I went to watch him, and I go, âI think heâs better than who weâre recruiting.ââ
The next step of evaluation revealed only more of the same.
âThen when you get to know him and you study him; you get to see length, explosiveness, attitude and toughness,â Self continued. âYou also see that his sister plays volleyball at Texas. Itâs a very athletic family. Both parents played [college basketball]. You start thinking that this kid has got some things, some intangibles.â
Of course, that final comment in and of itself would have been massive praise for any four-star freshman, especially one that was a late riser like Agbaji (even if he still finished well behind some of the more elite names in the class in the rankings).
Self, though, wasnât done hyping up the freshman.
âI donât want to make any predictions too bold, but he is going to be a guy who is going to start a lot of games, play a lot of minutes and score a lot of points while he is here,â Self said. âIt just may not happen immediately for him because we have depth. He was ranked No. 337 when he committed to us and Iâll be surprised if he doesnât pan out to be one of the best 30-40 players in this class.â
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Crazy. Itâs exciting thinking what Agbaji could be in time. Thatâs some awful high praise
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http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2018/oct/22/he-will-he-wont-he-might-2018-udoka-azub/
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2018/oct/23/he-will-he-wont-he-might-2018-dedric-law/
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@BShark Dotson/Garrett/Agbaji/KJ/Big Dave. Charlie and Lightfoot off the bench first. Weâll need more size, and more wings, but that is a super solid core of experienced players. 7 guys with that much experience is such a luxury for us.
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"Self has since recruited some big-time pro prospects on the perimeter: Xavier Henry, Ben McLemore, Andrew Wiggins and Kelly Oubre, but they all lacked one quality. âThey were more shooters and scorers than playmakers,â Self says.
Williams was a playmaker, and in June 2016, Self found the guy to answer the question of what it would have been like had Williams run fist at Illinois. He called Howard.
âQuentin Grimes,â Self said from his seat at a tournament in Dallas. âHe reminds me of D-Will, but he will be better.â"
Lots of nuggets in that article but yeah Grimes is really good.
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Dotson
Grimes
Vick
KJ
Dedric
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BShark said:
Dotson
Grimes
Vick
KJ
Dedric
Whatâs this list for?
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KJ over Dok for versatility? Is this your starting lineup @BShark or confirmed?
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Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Dotson
Grimes
Vick
KJ
Dedric
Whatâs this list for?
Starters imo, maybe not right away but eventually.
I think now rounding out the 8 man rotation will be Garrett, Moore and Dok. McCormack as a spot duty guy.
Interestingly enough, I think Silvio going out is biggest for Charlie Moore. It slides KJ down to playing the 4 much more and frees up guard minutes.
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@BShark So Doks not even in your 8 man roster!?!
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dylans said:
@BShark So Doks not even in your 8 man roster!?!
I meant Dok instead of Mitch. Iâll edit that LMAO.
I think Dok plays around 22 mpg.
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I canât imagine Doke not starting.
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@BShark Oh no way Self doesnât start Dok. You can book that.
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Yeah Dokeâs playing especially if heâs improved his FTâs. Heâll play anyway, heâs the dominate post player in the league beside his equally dominate teammate
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I think we see his rebounding and shot blocking improve this year substantially. He will be a force.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Oh no way Self doesnât start Dok. You can book that.
I can see Dok starting for sure.
I think it will be interesting to see how Self plays it. I think once you get past Dok and Dedric, the bigs arenât very good so it makes a lot of sense to play small some of the time. But maybe he wants more of a particular identity and Mitch/Dave get bigger minutes than I expect.
Edit: Iâm counting KJ as a wing when I say the other bigs arenât very good. KJ is much better than Mitch.
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@BShark I think you will see a lot of KJ at the 4 like you are wanting.
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Self just said Doke and Dedric have solidified themselves as the starting bigs.
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Woodrow said:
Self just said Doke and Dedric have solidified themselves as the starting bigs.
Makes sense. I want to dream damn it. I have small ball fever.
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BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Self just said Doke and Dedric have solidified themselves as the starting bigs.
Makes sense. I want to dream damn it. I have small ball fever.
Move to Pennsylvania, follow Villanova. LOL
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Self just said Doke and Dedric have solidified themselves as the starting bigs.
Makes sense. I want to dream damn it. I have small ball fever.
Move to Pennsylvania, follow Villanova. LOL
Lol. Hard pass.
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Good to here reassuring words from Self.
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Grimes is learning to always be on the move when Lawson has the ball, and at a recent practice, the big man found Grimes cutting to the basket. He cocked the ball back as if he was going to dunk it until Silvio De Sousa met him at the rim. Instead of trying to dunk on De Sousa, Grimes adjusted in mid-air, going underneath De Sousaâs left arm and dropped the ball over the rim with a finger roll.
âI was like, âwoo, that was crazy,ââ De Sousa says.
âIf that was me or anyone else,â sophomore Chris Teahan says, âtheyâre flat on their back because Silvio knocks them over.â
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âItâs definitely hard to guard him and keep him in front, especially if he hits you in the chest, it knocks you back a little bit and he can get separation and knock it down,â Teahan says. âHe has certain moves in his body that are hitchy, and heâll get you moving a half step one way and get enough room to knock it down in your face.â
These are the type of moves that won Self over, and once the Jayhawks started recruiting Grimes, the expectation was that they would land him because his mom, Tonja Stelly, also attended KU. But Howard says Stelly was no help. âShe made it extra tough for us because she went here,â he says. âShe wanted him to make the decision himself.â
Grimes was ultimately convinced it was the best system for him because of Selfâs fist offense and the freedom he gives his guards to make multiple reads with the ball in their hands. When Grimes is asked about theoretical plays, he talks out the progressions and options he would have with the ball.
Close your eyes and you can picture Deron Williams, who would play methodically and then beat defenders with a burst. âDeron was sneaky athletic too,â Howard says. âBut this kid, heâs freaky. And heâs fast too.â
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Told yâall Grimes has a great basketball mind.
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BShark said:
Told yâall Grimes has a great basketball mind.
Had no doubts either. Canât wait to see it on the floor
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He was a really nice surprise at the U18 games when he played PG and was select the Tournament MVP. Kid can do it all.
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Lol found put from local sports talk. - The Big 12 screwed up , they commented that KU actually WAS NOT the 100% pick to win the Big 12 title this year - - Said that yes K-State received a pick to win it - - OSU head coach- Boyton said he has learned that experience means a lot - - And there you have it â the rest of the news - -this is " Jayballer " - - Good Day lmao - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Interesting stuff from Ryan on the Phog here: https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Board/103719/Contents/Starting-lineup-tomorrow-123759798/
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Coaches cannot vote for their own team so no team gets all the votes.
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KSU got 2
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Coaches cannot vote for their own team so no team gets all the votes.
BUT yet the big 12 had come out and said that KU was a unmanious pick to win the Big twelve again â well actually they said K-State got 2 votes when they corrected, I do know you canât vote for yourself , so there had to be 2 Coaches pick K-State
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
KSU got 2
Exactly - that is what I just responded to another on here - -All I heard them say was Boyton , but there had to be another also. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Boynton and Self @jayballer73
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
Boynton and Self @jayballer73
makes sense jut didnât realize self voted for K- State
He canât vote for KU so had to be another school.
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@BShark ya I understand that but just didnât know it was K-State he voted for - -maybe WV just didnât know
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Interesting nugget from Matt Tait
Recent guards at KU and minutes played as a FR
Frank Mason III â 567
Devonteâ Graham â 506
Svi Mykhailiuk â 291
Brannen Greene â 184
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Marcus GarrettâŚ748
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The teams was very shorthanded last season so that partially explains it. Also, Coach Self is big on defense and player that are willing to play tough defense will see more minutes. Very impressive either way.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
The teams was very shorthanded last season so that partially explains it. Also, Coach Self is big on defense and player that are willing to play tough defense will see more minutes. Very impressive either way.
10000000% correct.
In 2007-08 Self continued to play Russell Robinson(senior) over Sherron Collins(sophomore). It was all about defense and turnovers, Selfâs biggest obsessions. Of course as the tournament went on Sherron got more of the minutes.
