Still no word on QB race
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@jayballer73 The under-performance by the defense last year was the main contributor to the blow out losses. That was the biggest let down for my expectations. And I don’t attribute much of the opponents’ offensive success to our inept offense. The defensive line and the secondary just didn’t compete on every play. Maybe the linebackers were competent, but certainly not a strength. As fans we focus on the offense and quarterback, but it’s asking way to much of the offense to score more than 40 points a game because our defense gives up so many points. Our 2018 success starts on the defensive side with 3 and outs. Then, the offense won’t get completely overwhelmed with playing from behind. I can’t remember KU teams being so weak defensively.
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I believe you misunderstood my post. I did no blame the QBs for the team woes in past seasons; numerous reason for that and the subject of a different thread altogether. I simply indicated that with none of the QBs being Power 5 starting QB caliber makes it difficult to pick one…that’s all.
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stoptheflop said:
@jayballer73 The under-performance by the defense last year was the main contributor to the blow out losses. That was the biggest let down for my expectations. And I don’t attribute much of the opponents’ offensive success to our inept offense. The defensive line and the secondary just didn’t compete on every play. Maybe the linebackers were competent, but certainly not a strength. As fans we focus on the offense and quarterback, but it’s asking way to much of the offense to score more than 40 points a game because our defense gives up so many points. Our 2018 success starts on the defensive side with 3 and outs. Then, the offense won’t get completely overwhelmed with playing from behind. I can’t remember KU teams being so weak defensively.
I agree with this too. yet people complain about the secondary on the defensive side - understand BUT - -here also the majority of the blame as you say should be placed on the D-Line. - -No Pressure. - how many QB sacks on the year? - how many hurries from opposing QB’S ? resulting in INT’S ?
No matter how good/bad a secondary is even really good secondary’s can only contain for so long if your defensive front is allowing the opposing QB to have time enough to eat a sack lunch there is NO secondary that contain receivers for that length of time - it could very easily be on the initial coverage secondary is where they are suppose to be - -but if the front isn’t getting any kind of pressure it is like plucking birds off the cloths line when they have all day to pick out a receiver. - The secondary not good but our D-Line makes them look a lot worse. - -So again it’s both sides of the ball with our line - - O-line - - - - D-line QB isn’t really as bad as some want to make them out - - -Secondary not as bad as some want to make them out. - either way it ALL starts up front. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I believe you misunderstood my post. I did no blame the QBs for the team woes in past seasons; numerous reason for that and the subject of a different thread altogether. I simply indicated that with none of the QBs being Power 5 starting QB caliber makes it difficult to pick one…that’s all.
YET how do you know that they are not when they haven’t been given the time to play with a sufficent offensive line. - I think we do have P-5 QB’s but you can’t say for sure we don’t - I can’t say for sure we do at this point. - put them behind an Oklahoma offensive line - -a West Virginia offensive line - -A Ohio State offensive line THEN let us see how they produce. - If we get the same result out of them at that point THEN we can for sure they are not P-5 caliber QB or not. - Yet with the Offensive line they are working behind right now , there is no way we know that 100% without a shadow of doubt.
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They are at KU because they are not Power 5 starting caliber QBs, if they were they would be playing elsewhere; unfortunately that is the current status of the program. The only quality QB KU has had recently quickly decommited.
Any QB can look good behind a superior OL and with quality receivers and RBs. Superior QBs play well regardless and actually make the OL and other personal look better.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
They are at KU because they are not Power 5 starting caliber QBs, if they were they would be playing elsewhere; unfortunately that is the current status of the program. The only quality QB KU has had recently quickly decommited.
Any QB can look good behind a superior OL and with quality receivers and RBs. Superior QBs play well regardless and actually make the OL and other personal look better.
there is just no winning with you period.-- you only see one side almost comical - -take it I said ALMOST. - -take those same so called superior QB your talking about put them behind the current O-Line we have let’s see how superior they are. - - you say ant QB can look good behind a superior line? - then put our current non Power 5 Qb behind that kind of line and we be just fine - -you just proved my point - -if our current QB was behind a much better line then they would look good - -with the current line they have no time to look like anything , cause they are running for their lives. Our current QB behind this piss poor O-line we have doesn’t have the time to look for quality receivers - - luke warm recievers - -medicore receivers running backs nothing - -all they see is the Defensive lineman barreling down their ass.
I’m not saying the QB’s is Heismans or anything like that - but the way you talk about them they are sure the hell not nearly as bad as you make them out to be. - Again your words ANY QB can look good behind superior OL- -your just solidifying my point put our QB’s behind a superior O-Line and their gonna look good - be better - -end of story done debating with you - -AGAIN - Have a great day. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I could call your posts mostly or almost comical as well but I don’t out of respect. Is it too much would expect the same in return?
Now, read the entire paragraph and not pick just a portion of it. This is what I wrote…
"Any QB can look good behind a superior OL and with quality receivers and RBs. Superior QBs play well regardless and actually make the OL and other personal look better."
Did I say anywhere that KU QBs were bad? No, I did not, I simply said that they were not Power 5 Starting caliber and we all know that is true. Obviously we disagree so further discussion is moot.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I could call your posts mostly or almost comical as well but I don’t out of respect. Is it too much would expect the same in return?
Now, read the entire paragraph and not pick just a portion of it. This is what I wrote…
"Any QB can look good behind a superior OL and with quality receivers and RBs. Superior QBs play well regardless and actually make the OL and other personal look better."
Did I say anywhere that KU QBs were bad? No, I did not, I simply said that they were not Power 5 Starting caliber and we all know that is true. Obviously we disagree so further discussion is moot.
Moot is exactly what I was saying - -I could go further BUT I won’t as for like you say " Respect" and I don’t know it’s true - -but again as you say Moot I don’t know that’s true at all but we are done
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Hard to believe but Dayne Krist got some nfl interest after playing at KU.
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dylans said:
Hard to believe but Dayne Krist got some nfl interest after playing at KU.
Hmmm, was he a P-5 quality QB ? where was it he played at before KU ? how did he do behind the KU offensive line? - - just curious lol - - -Next. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Chryst was definitely NOT the problem for that team. I remember watching a ton of sacks and dropped passes. I mean, even when the guy would make a good pass, we couldn’t haul it in. Hard to stay positive when your teammates can’t pick up your slack.
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@Kcmatt7 Yes, my point is the QB isn’t the whole issue. The entire team is trash- that’s coaching and recruiting failure.
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@dylans agreed. Just once you mentioned him I had flashbacks that made me shudder lol. Throw Heaps in there too…
“And a bullet thrown down the middle to Jimmay Mundine, the ball goes through his hands aaaaand THE PASS IS INTERCEPTED.”
Feel like I heard that 100 times.
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HOLY CRAP but yet WHY doesn’t this decision surprise me? - -After all this time of waiting -After saying talking about how they just might be looking more of a running game this season. - Which they dam well should if you want to take advantage of Pookie & Dom Williams - -try to keep the defense off the field run the clock.
After we wait all this time for him to announce a starting QB - and he just wet’s all over himself and says - - -BENDER - Ol led foot , a guy who has concrete around his feet - - -who at the age of 64 I also bet I’m even more nimble mobile then him. - A guy who is a interception looking for a place to happen. - JUMPIN - - GEE - -HOSSIE - -TOADS - -TYPICAL. - -if you want to invest more into the run THIS should NOT be your starting QB – Stanley and the other QB Miles? - -BOTH are much better options if your going to try and emphasize the run more - -why doesn’t this choice surprise me? - -DAMM WELP late night is getting closer - -chalk up ANOTHER super decision made by Beaty - somebody must of rushed his decision and he panicked. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Peyton Bender has been named the starter
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@jayballer73 I think Bender can be a decent QB if the line has improved. Stanley is the turnover machine if you look at the stats. He had only 4 TDs and 7 picks in almost a 100 less attempts than Bender(10 TDs, 10 INts), he also fumbled the ball more in less snaps. I think that Miles could be the future of the program but looking at his fairly modest numbers from Juco a year ago, I don’t believe him to be ready. I’ve always thought it was Benders job to lose. Stanley IMO is the worst of the 3.
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Here is a link with more information.
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Bender would have been my third choice so I’m very disappointed in this decision.
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Woodrow said:
Bender would have been my third choice so I’m very disappointed in this decision.
Exactly - - Thank you
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So who would you guys prefer?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think Bender had the best arm but I also wouldnt have been disappointed if Kendrick got the nod. As I said earlier, I’m not sure he is ready or has a good enough arm to this point. Bender has the most experience and the best arm. That’s probably why he won the job. The offensive line is a big key to how the QB does. If returning all but one starter and all the graduate/juco transfers Beaty brought in can’t get that group to improve, Beaty flat out will never cut it as a head coach at this level.
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I think Bender is the best choice for Games 1-3. And that’s how I’m going to look at it. Against a Big XII opponent, Kendrick is probably the better play.
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Bender is the most talented of the 3 choices. But this also goes against what Beaty said he wanted the offense to look like as well. He said he wanted a more run based offense and Bender does take away the zone read which Stanley and Kendrick can run.
Beaty will almost certainly be gone after this season and hopefully someone who can state their vision for the offense and build and recruit to that vision without changing it every year will be brought in.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I think Bender is the best choice for Games 1-3. And that’s how I’m going to look at it. Against a Big XII opponent, Kendrick is probably the better play.
I agree with you on Kendrick - still wish he would start from the get go. - I think it’s just a matter of Coach know’s he is riding a dead horse anyways, if he thought he had any chance of surviving I think it would of been a different choice. Feel like as much as we would like to see Kendrick - -Beaty will probably ride Bender till the cow’s come home - not giving Kendrick much of an opportunity
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Guess DADDY BILL taking a page off Coach Beaty isn’t naming his starting QB either - -STILL hasn’t named his starter - -must be contagious lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 He prob has an idea as for what in hell he’s gonna do lol
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Isn’t Michael Cummings the qb who transferred for his sr year and led his new team to a bowl game? Smh the whole team needs an overhaul no qb will succeed without help.
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dylans said:
Isn’t Michael Cummings the qb who transferred for his sr year and led his new team to a bowl game? Smh the whole team needs an overhaul no qb will succeed without help.
I don’t think so. That was Cozart maybe? Cummings had a bunch of injury issues.
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@BShark one of them. Was it Boise St. or some mid major? Just another sign of the ineptness of the coaching staff whomever it was. (Probably cozart)
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@dylans Cozart went on to Boise St, and did fairly well. I actually think I saw where he signed a CFL deal this Summer.
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Cozart was a back up QB and didn’t have great numbers at Boise and actually cost them a couple of games.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Cozart was a back up QB and didn’t have great numbers at Boise and actually cost them a couple of games.
Cozart actually played quite a bit. Completed 63% of his passes had 10 TD to 1 INT and also 4 rushing TD’s. So yea what you said is not factual.
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Cozart mostly threw screen passes and blew a 20 point lead again WSU. I watched those games he looked slightly better. He had several decent games here against crap comp aswell.
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kjayhawks said:
@jayballer73 He prob has an idea as for what in hell he’s gonna do lol
ya probably – like MAYBE name a QB lmao - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
