FIBU U18 Self/Manning/Grimes
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Leave it to someone from the UK board. You really need to sit down for this one although he did say , that possibly some paranoid conspiracy-minded type might suspect Coach Self is running up these crazy ass victory margin to make Cal’s failure last summer look even worse. - - -OMFG seriously? roflmao.
Ya that’s exactly what coach Self is doing, that’s his only train of thought for these games. - -Let me see if I can make Coach Cal look even worse for last summer lmao.
What Else can Coach do? - -he is subbing in and out like hockey lines [ - -five at a time - -like playing 5 minute segments. - -he is playing all kinds of different combinations. Like the announcers say you can’t expect the USA kids to quit playing - -quit trying. – - the real question isn’t that he is trying to run up the score - it’s what else can he do? Also like the announcers say - it’s not we have to have one kid put up 35-40 points. Against Puerto Rico our leading scorer had 20 ( Quentin ) - -Tonight our leading scorer had 20 - it’s just balanced scoring - no show boating - no glares - just team Basketball.
Thank GOD better Competition these next two nights. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Last year, Calipari coached the U19 team that included several college players and lost a critical game to Canada in the semi-finals but won the rest by a lot. Coach Self is coaching the U18 team that does not include any college players.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk I read where Self called Hurt an athletic guard.
I think he misspoke. The plan is to play him at the 4 if we get him.
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Other than the US, most of the countries in the Americas do not have well developed high school programs, which means their U18 and lower teams are often under-developed. Here in the US, because we have a robust HS program, it is very easy to identify the best HS players in the country (and we have lots of them).
USA has never lost a game in the U16 competition (closest game last year was a 41 point win). The team shot almost 57% from the field for the tournament. RJ Hampton, Jalen Green and Vernon Carey are some names you would recognize from that roster.
The USA U17 team is 30-0 at the World Championships. They will be playing in a couple of weeks in Argentina. Vernon Carey, RJ Hampton, and Jalen Green will likely be on that team this year, although training camp starts today with a roster of 30 that has to get cut down to 12, so that’s not guaranteed. Still, the US has never lost at the U17 level.
The U18 team is 53-2 at the Americas Cup, losing in the semifinal in 2002, and the title game in 2008.
The U19 team is 91-14 all time.
You see the difference. Undefeated at the U16 and U17 levels. Only a couple of losses (and never prior to the semifinal) at the U18 level. A crazy winning percentage (.866) at the U19 level, but compared to undefeated or .963, that’s a substantial drop. Basically goes from no chance to a snowball’s chance in hell, to maybe you have a shot. Most countries don’t have enough talent at the lower levels, so they play their best younger players up. A guy like Svi, who played on the U16 Ukranian team in 2013, then played for the senior national team in the 2014 basketball World Cup, then the U20 team in 2016. That’s the equivalent of a guy like Lebron James making the national team as a high school junior in 2002. That would probably never happen here in the US. Just too much talent ahead of him to even consider a player like that.
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Canada has pretty decent HS basketball and well over 100 players were playing Division I basketball in the US as of a couple of years ago (close to 200 next season) including some high profile top 10 players at elite programs.
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@JayHawkFanToo - - Still funny as hell to listen to Kentucky fans whine like little bitches. -
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Anybody watching?
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Refs suck
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Refs suck
ABSURD
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Argentina is pretty good, plays good defense and is pretty fast.
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Omgosh
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Anthony was taken down. They walk all the time! Clearly want Argentina in the game
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Anthony was taken down. They walk all the time! Clearly want Argentina in the game
Strong agree. Many fouls by Argentina not called. White took a hard fall not long ago and crickets…
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Drama queen coach
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Charge
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Drama queen coach
lol yep
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Charge
Close. 50/50
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LOL. That was a gosh damn and one. No call of course.
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Bunch of a
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Roy looks really really excited!
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@BShark Kentucky kid gonna play tmrw?
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Bunch of jerks
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Our kid looked good, shot getting better, he’s so strong
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Can handle pt too
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Talking to myself!
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I am here. Grimes did play PG a fair amount of time; he is super solid and will be fun to watch next season.
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Grimes’s game high 26 points leads Team USA to the finals against Canada. Yes, it’s a little early to call the Canada v. Puerto Rico game, but I’m calling it. Anyone going to watch Canada v. Puerto Rico?
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Grimes is a baller.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Watched every minute of every game
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Earle actually came up with key buckets in the 4th quarter - I think all 10 of his points were in the 4th. - -Grimes really solid game - led in Scoring - -led in rebounding, - -Hurt 15 points 3 blocks.
Anthony gets mauled and they call it an offensive foul lmao. Earle had some trouble playing D on their 7 footer but giving up like 4 inches did ok
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Cole Anthony is amazing and has been saying positive things about Self. I’m not gonnnnna jmt myself into believing that Nike could allow him to end up at KU. Might be the best HS player right now regardless of class.
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@BShark he was pulling the trigger a tad early when he got back in, he was a lil frustrated. First of the week I saw that. Really awkward sentence.
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I think the refs could make it even harder tmrw! Have to play harder and smarter. Anybody see what the ast coach did to get the T? Must have been murder.
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@BShark I think kids are seeing what we have always known about Self. And, I think they like being coached up that way! Playing team ball and running the floor. I’m hearing lots of positive things.
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It sure can’t hurt for hurt - ahhhhh lol - -I just kill myself sometimes lol - -see what I done? = =Hurt - - - -Hurt - -OH I’m to much lol. - -but anyways it certainly doesn’t hurt the Matthew and Robinson Earle get a chance to play under him and get a 1st hand look at how the Coaches in certain game situations -sure would be sweet to be able to pull those two in
Plus it would just be off the charts if somehow - some wat Anthony ended up here, - but I also am not really considering that
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I’m greedy, I want Anthony. He’s one of the best pts I’ve seen, that young.
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Argentina held the advantage from the foul line making 24-of-30 tries, while the USA was 11-of-16 from the charity line.
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Youtube will broadcast the USA v. Canada game at 7:15 Central Saturday. Even without Massey, I look for team USA to breeze by Canada. The officiating should be more even since the Central/South American bias will be absent. I really like that Coach Self plays Grimes, Hurt and Earl together. These three already play like teammates; they look to pass to each other to help each other score. I hope both Hurt and Earl commit to KU. It’s been fun watching them at such a young age.
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US should beat Canada but it will not be easy. Canada has a solid team and is playing at home looking for its first U18 title ever which gives them an extra incentive. I would be very surprised if it is a breeze.
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stoptheflop said:
Youtube will broadcast the USA v. Canada game at 7:15 Central Saturday. Even without Massey, I look for team USA to breeze by Canada. The officiating should be more even since the Central/South American bias will be absent. I really like that Coach Self plays Grimes, Hurt and Earl together. These three already play like teammates; they look to pass to each other to help each other score. I hope both Hurt and Earl commit to KU. It’s been fun watching them at such a young age.
I read where Maxey is expected to play for the US tonight. I agree with you but maybe not easily - bottom line is Canada has 3-4 pretty good players - BUT US is just so balanced with pretty good players I think the overall talent of 12 will be more then they can handle
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Jballs, you are the man
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I hear cal is at game, picking up coaching pointers!
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I like the way team USA takes it to the rim on offense.
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I hate the ref cam. It needs to go the way of the helmet cam
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@stoptheflop bill self offense!
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Kinda slow start to 2nd half
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It appears the USA players have picked up HCBS offenses!. Maybe not so much the defense…
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I will just say that Bill Self did the best job in trials that I have seen in 15 years in this business. Covered nuances of euro officiating. Hadn’t seen that before. Jerry Meyer
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bill self, pretty sweet, kicked their butts
