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I think the best offensive strategy for every team has to be customized to their strengths and weaknesses.
GS has Curry, Thompson and Durant on the perimeter. They have some of the best shooters at distance so the long ball game works for them.
Until there is a NBA team with that firepower from distance, I expect to see a lot more GS championships!
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mayjay said:
With @jaybate-1-0 geting on a roll lately, scrolling through his posts is helping me get in great shape for the many expected thumb wrestling contests during our g-kids upcoming visit home!
Page Down works well. Also the down arrow on the band at the top of the screen allows you to skip to the next post quickly…
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I think perhaps all of us are guilty of watching too much TV news… which has become one big plate of political conspiracy accusations.
I 100% believe that Bill Self has never illegally conspired with representatives from any shoe company, AAU or high school coaches, handlers and anyone else.
Just knowing Bill, his upbringing, his career up to now… I just don’t see him being that type of person to knowingly do things he knows is illegal, either in the US court of law or within the legal framework of the NCAA.
Of course he knows things go on… he knows all of the shady people exist and talk to his recruits. What should he do? The only thing I can think of is that he should quit coaching if he can’t handle these kinds of people hang around the players he recruits.
No one in college basketball is “innocent” including us! We all know there are shady things happening… so why aren’t we volunteering to tag along with recruits and help guard them?
I do not believe Bill is complicit with any activity that can put Kansas at risk, or his players or staff. He suffers from the same lack of innocence all of us have; knowledge that bad people and events surround college basketball, especially with top high school recruits!
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@drgnslayr The rest of y’all may be guilty, but I am now, and have always been, innocent and have never cheated in any fashion. Mr. Boline’s accusation in 11th grade Trigonometry was without foundation, all rumors to the contrary notwithstanding.
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I see Charlie as a 4-year player and knowing that, he is trying to maximize helping us by growing into a better player every year.
Charlie is going to get his share of PT this year. He could easily win a spot, even a starting spot.
What I like about Charlie is he will be with us for his remaining eligibility (hopefully) and that will bear us plenty of fruit. He will become an experienced PG… especially with Self-ball. Experience is what counts at PG.
So Charlie may be kept from big minutes in his career if we find top tier PGs that can earn minutes right away. That is just the risk he took by coming to a top blue blood program. But he will always be challenged here and play against top players. I feel sure Charlie will make his time in Lawrence pay off for him… and for us!
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@JayHawkFanToo I only read this board on my phone. No page down button!
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There are reports published that you intentionally dropped your pencil under Sarah Cantrell’s dress in 9th grade.
Statements? Comments?
(no malice - just humor)
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JayHawkFanToo said:
mayjay said:
With redacted geting on a roll lately, scrolling through his posts is helping me get in great shape for the many expected thumb wrestling contests during our g-kids upcoming visit home!
Page Down works well. Also the down arrow on the band at the top of the screen allows you to skip to the next post quickly…
I should really do this instead of engaging/humoring him.
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@drgnslayr I think he used to be more involved but isn’t anymore. This is just pure conjecture on my part but man, the 4 I mentioned were very dirty recruitments.
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@drgnslayr That is a vicious lie! I didn’t know anything about looking up dresses back then!
Full disclosure: I was impeached as class president of my 8th grade Unified Studies class because I was caught with a rubber band after a beleagured Mr. Northcutt banned all rubber bands. Funny true story: my best friend raised the issue in class when I was sick on the day after the horrid misconduct. He wanted to get the regular work off track, and claimed we could learn about impeachment and stuff. Mr N bought it, my friend prosecuted, and we wasted 2 whole days. The most timid kid in class was my defense counsel. 6 votes. I couldn’t even get 6 votes. Boom! Outtahere!!
This was in 1969-70, before Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton made these inquiries popular. Trendsetter me. But it was based on (Northcuttian) high crimes, not cheating.
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BShark said:
You appear to have a fanfiction narrative regarding KU. [DON’T TELL ME YOU HATE FAN FICTION, TOO!!! } Now to address some things since you asked.
Jay is a good coach. [JAY WAS A .600 COACH BEFORE A FEW YEARS AGO. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT BY GOOD?] Omari Spellman was #20, Brunson #22. [I DID NOT KNOW THAT. THANK YOU FOR ADDING THAT TO THE DISCUSSION. WERE THEY RANKED THAT HIGH WHEN JAY SIGNED THEM, OR AFTER HE SIGNED THEM? THAT’S A PHENOMENON THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES WITH KU RECRUITS. THEIR RANK ASCENDS AFTER THEY SIGN. HOW ABOUT WITH NOVA? I DON’T FOLLOW THEM AS CLOSELY AS YOU SEEM TO.] Not exactly sub 75. Let me know when Villanova is named in the indictment. [I WILL, IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE. BUT WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT VILLANOVA BEING NAMED IN AN INDICTMENT, OR NOT? I THOUGHT YOU WERE A KU FAN, RIGHT? YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU IF NOVA IS IDENTIFIED AS A VICTIM IN THE INDICTMENT, RIGHT? AND ARE YOU INSINUATING YOU HAVE INSIDER INFORMATION ABOUT KU—THE REPUTEDLY REPORTED VICTIM–BEING INDICTED? THAT WOULD SEEM TO INVOLVE SOMEONE BREAKING THE LAW GIVING IT TO YOU? SHOULD’T YOU GO TO THE AUTHORITIES WITH THIS APPARENTLY INSIDER INFORMATION AND REPORT IT? OR ARE YOU JUST SPECULATING WITHOUT INSIDER INFORMATION AND WITHOUT BEING A LEGAL PROFESSIONAL? I AM NOT CRITICISING YOU EITHER WAY. YOU JUST HAVEN’T MADE THESE ISSUES VERY CLEAR TO ME YET.]
Funneling as in Adidas paying players to pick an Adidas school/KU.[WHY DO YOU CALL IT FUNNELLING? WHY DON’T YOU JUST CALL IT PAYING PLAYERS. IS IT ILLEGAL TO PAY PLAYERS, OR JUST A VIOLATION OF NCAA RULES, OR BOTH? IF SO HOW? AND WHY IS SELF ABLE TO FUNNEL SO FEW PLAYERS THAT HE HAD ALMOST NO DEPTH AT THE POST LAST SEASON–CERTAINLY NO THREE POINT SHOOTING POST MEN LIKE NOVA, RIGHT? WHY DOES SELF HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE FUNNELING PLAYERS WITH MONEY, WHEN YOU MAKE IT SEEM LIKE JAY DOESN’T EVEN HAVE TO FUNNEL AT ALL TO SIGN 1-75 PLAYERS AND 75-100 PLAYERS THAT PLAY BETTER THAN 1-75 PLAYERS? TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR THINKING HERE. I DIDN’T KNOW NOVA HAD A BUNCH OF 1-75 RANKED PLAYERS.MAYBE YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT WHY SELF RECRUITS WORSE PAYING PLAYERS THAN JAY NOT–IF YOU KNOW HE ISN’T.] Self played the game. [HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE? I MEAN, YOU APPEAR TO BE IMPLYING A .600 COACH A FEW YEARS BACK, LIKE JAY WRIGHT, WAS, CAN SIGN 1-75 GUYS LIKE SELBY, COLLINS, WRIGHT, ARTHUR, ETC., WITHOUT EVEN PAYING THEM, BUT FOR SOME REASON YOU ARE POSITIVE SELF PAYS PLAYERS AND THAT KU, IDENTIFIED AS A VICTIM, IS GOING TO BE INDICTED. I JUST DON’T FOLLOW HOW YOU CAN BE SO SURE ABOUT ALL OF THIS. I AM PRETTY CONFUSED ABOUT ALL OF THIS, AND I DON’T CLAIM TO KNOW EVERYTHING YOU DO. I AM NOT SAYING YOU DON’T KNOW. I AM SAYING I DON’T SEE HOW YOU KNOW? MAYBE YOU WILL EXPLAIN HOW YOU KNOW FOR SURE.]. Selby, Collins, Wright, Arthur etc… If you think those were clean I don’t know what to tell you. [WELL, IF JAY CAN RECRUIT 1-75 GUYS AND BE CLEAN, WHY CAN’T BILL? I DON’T FOLLOW YOUR REASONING.] There were others too [WHO EXACTLY?], but those 4 were perhaps the most glaring.[THEY DON’T SEEM GLARING TO ME. I AM NOT EVEN SURE WHAT GLARING MEANS IN A LEGAL SENSE. I DON’T FOLLOW YOU HERE EITHER. AND I AM TRYING.] It’s a good thing the probe came later, though as we found out…Preston was paid. Josh was paid. Not by KU or Self, it’s just the way the system works.[AH, SO YOU APPEAR TO BE SAYING THAT THE 1-75 PLAYERS SELF AND JAY SIGN ARE PAID; THAT THAT IS JUST HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS, BUT THAT SELF AND JAY WRIGHT TO NOT PAY THEM, AND THE SCHOOLS DO NOT PAY THEM. HMMM. SO: YOU APPEAR TO BE IMPLYING THAT SELF AND KU AND JAY AND NOVA WILL NOT BE INDICTED, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT PAY THESE PLAYERS; RATHER, THE “SYSTEM” DID. IS THAT ABOUT THE GIST OF IT? YOU SEEM TO BE SAYING NEITHER JAY AND NOVA, NOR BILL AND KU WILL BE INDICTED. WELL, I AGREE, BUT I JUST DON’T HAVE THE KIND OF KNOWLEDGE BASE THAT YOU APPEAR TO HAVE THAT APPEARS TO MAKE YOU BE SO SURE. I JUST DOUBT THAT EITHER BILL AND KU, OR JAY AND NOVA WILL BE INDICTED. ROCK CHALK!
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@jaybate-1.0 Is there a specific Bengay ointment for thumbs? Overtraining injury…
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C’mon, man up and hit that key board!
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I do dislike fan fiction in general yes. However some good has come of it, like Sergio Leonne westerns but I digress.
Brunson was always highly ranked, I know this because KU recruited him. I can’t answer on Spellman.
The KU bump isn’t as big as say, the Duke bump but Marcus Garrett did go from unranked to near top 50. In the last class, Dotson and Grimes were always highly ranked. McCormack bumped up a bit I think. Agbaji went from being a relative unknown, barely top 300 to 128. Probably would have happened if he ended up at say, Wisconsin, which he almost did. He got tons of interest late from major programs which always make the rankings guys spin around a bit.
I don’t think Jay or Self will end up being indicted. Especially given that we have already seen KU players named, but no one even tangentially related to KU. It SEEMS for the time being that KU (and Nova for that matter) are safe.
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Agreed, but man was it nice to have had trey dingers like Sherron, Frank and Devonte!
And we will have to hope the game turns away from teams having 3-6 > 39% trey dingers in their regular rotations during the next couple years.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
mayjay said:
With @jaybate-1-0 geting on a roll lately, scrolling through his posts is helping me get in great shape for the many expected thumb wrestling contests during our g-kids upcoming visit home!
Page Down works well. Also the down arrow on the band at the top of the screen allows you to skip to the next post quickly…
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You both are finally getting it!!!
Scroll, baby scroll!
It’s always worked for me
Howling!
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mayjay said:
@drgnslayr The rest of y’all may be guilty, but I am now, and have always been, innocent and have never cheated in any fashion. Mr. Boline’s accusation in 11th grade Trigonometry was without foundation, all rumors to the contrary notwithstanding.
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Was Mr. Boline a member of the Deep State?
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BShark said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
mayjay said:
With redacted geting on a roll lately, scrolling through his posts is helping me get in great shape for the many expected thumb wrestling contests during our g-kids upcoming visit home!
Page Down works well. Also the down arrow on the band at the top of the screen allows you to skip to the next post quickly…
I should really do this instead of engaging/humoring him.
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By George, he is catching on!!!
First Kim saw the light with Trump.
And now @BShark catches on.
Halaleujah!!!
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BShark said:
@drgnslayr I think he used to be more involved but isn’t anymore. This is just pure conjecture on my part but man, the 4 I mentioned were very dirty recruitments.
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Evidence please.
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BShark said:
I do dislike fan fiction in general yes. However some good has come of it, like Sergio Leonne westerns but I digress.
Brunson was always highly ranked, I know this because KU recruited him. I can’t answer on Spellman.
The KU bump isn’t as big as say, the Duke bump but Marcus Garrett did go from unranked to near top 50. In the last class, Dotson and Grimes were always highly ranked. McCormack bumped up a bit I think. Agbaji went from being a relative unknown, barely top 300 to 128. Probably would have happened if he ended up at say, Wisconsin, which he almost did. He got tons of interest late from major programs which always make the rankings guys spin around a bit.
I don’t think Jay or Self will end up being indicted. Especially given that we have already seen KU players named, but no one even tangentially related to KU. It SEEMS for the time being that KU (and Nova for that matter) are safe.
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Thanks for getting real.
I was about to call your doctor!
No, wait, that’s your line.
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jaybate 1.0 said:
BShark said:
@drgnslayr I think he used to be more involved but isn’t anymore. This is just pure conjecture on my part but man, the 4 I mentioned were very dirty recruitments.
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Evidence please.
Didn’t you once tell me that it’s not on you for me to research your claim? Just look into each one yourself via internet search. I’m not going to “do your legwork”.
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BShark said:
Nic Moore.
Ah yes poor HCBS. [CANT EVEN SIGN 4 CREDIBLE D1 BIGS CLEARED TO PLAY LAST SEASON. CANT EVEN SIGN BACKUPS FOR THE PERIMETER. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?]The system works against him at every ]turn. [CANT SIGN OAD 1/5S. CANT SIGN A LONG OR MEDIUM STACK. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? Meanwhile the great rankings cover-up makes Jay Wright (an excellent talent evaluator and coach in reality [RED PILL OR BLUE?]) look much better than he really is! [.600 TILL SUDDEN TRANSFORMATION] When you factor in that KU never gets calls [GOT’EM AGAINST WVU] well gosh it’s rather amazing HCBS has the will to field a team. [HE APPARENTLY GETS A KICK OUT OF INFURIATING THE ASYMMETRIC SYSTEM WHILE CLIPPING $10M COUPONS!] A true maverick, [YUP!] a renegade trying to defeat the system [HE ALREADY BEAT IT. HOF!] that definitely doesn’t funnel him players too [BUT SPOTS THEM 6-10 TO HIS 2-3 .
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I have seen so many come and go. Please. Play nice. You can do it. It’s a friendly community.
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@jaybate-1.0 I was joking. But towards basketball I do find myself vacillating between the thought process you characterized as being the youthful perspective, i.e. “to hell with this game, I’ll find another” and a deep pervasive sadness as the games I loved and thought would be eternal all have gotten facelifts, and estranged their lifelong friends.
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I guessed you were joking, and it gave me a good laugh, as you are blessed with a fine sense of humor, but this experience of disatisfaction with change over a lifetime appears widespread in perception among individuals, yet coped with quite differently by each of them. Humor goes quite a way as a saave. But the dissatisfaction can be quite corrosive and life draining for some, while others find positive paths through the sticky wicket. I don’t know the answers of how to avoid the corrosion and stay positive. I am a horse in mid stream still in the big two hearted river. But I can at least share the issue, so others do not think they are alone. Or think something is wrong with them. It’s human as nearly as I can tell.
Rock Chalk!!!
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Rock Chalk buddy. I just finished coaching my boys in soccer and baseball. Both are moving on to travel soccer. This may be the end for me coaching in both sports. I am pretty emotional these days about sports and transitions for this reason as well. We are entering the Nike puppy mill, eyes wide open, and a lump in my throat.
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BShark said:
jaybate 1.0 said:
BShark said:
@drgnslayr I think he used to be more involved but isn’t anymore. This is just pure conjecture on my part but man, the 4 I mentioned were very dirty recruitments.
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Evidence please.
Didn’t you once tell me that it’s not on you for me to research your claim? Just look into each one yourself via internet search. I’m not going to “do your legwork”.
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Now I recall reading where you’re kind of indulging me and I feel that’s some common ground we share and can build on, for I feel I am kind of doing the same with you.
Next , I said please regarding evidence, didn’t i? I didn’t give you an order, or demand you do it. I should get a kudo for that.
Next, you appeared to suggest you knew something specifically about what Self and KU had done that was “dirty” in each case, so since I don’t know of such info, I thought I ought to ask . And it seemed you could type it off the top of your head. But I’m ok with you not. I try in good faith to take what you give me.
Regardless, to give you the benefit of the doubt, I was hoping you might have something substantive that made you be so sure, because I have read some accounts about some of these examples over the years and recall not reading of any evidence that seemed beyond a reasonable doubt to implicate Self and/or KU in any thing illegal. But I am a legal layman and a fan and so I thought maybe you knew more, but now it appears you didn’t find anything more incriminating beyond a reasonable doubt than I did. I infer you found “indications” of “dirtiness.” Dirtiness is not a legal term of art that I am aware of, so I infer you are not using it to indicate Self or KU committed a felony, right?
FWIW, since reading Murray Sperber’s 1990 “College Sports, Inc.,” and Dan Wetzel’s 2000 “Sole Influence” I have guessed many, if not most D1 recruits and players have received considerations in various forms that would not be in full conformity with NCAA regulations, but I am not clear about whether any illegality has been widespread or not. I have tended to guess that the rarity of criminal convictions in college basketball indicated illegality was either not prevalent, or else so widespread as to be like certain kinds of political and law enforcement corruption treated as normalized and give a blind eye. I could never tell which.
You, however, seem to write as if you know for a fact what goes on with Self both in terms of “dirty” and/or “illegal”, but then stop short, at least in my recall, of supplying evidence beyond a reasonable doubt proving Self’s culpable role, especially regarding illegalities. In short, there seems a gap between your apparently confident assertions about Self’s culpability and the evidence. Further your assertions do not yet appear to square with the fact he has not been convicted, or even charged, with any illegalities in procuring players over several decades at several schools.
And when I add in that the reputed FBI/DOJ remarks reputedly characterize KU as a victim, well, then I am not clear why you believe what you appear to believe.
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Be brave. I have not run that gamut, but can imagine great pride/love and some trepidation mix for a strong life cocktail.
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BShark said:
@drgnslayr I think he used to be more involved but isn’t anymore. This is just pure conjecture on my part but man, the 4 I mentioned were very dirty recruitments.
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You appear to conjecture purely that “the system” is dirty and so makes Jay Wright and Bill Self recruit as “dirty” as you conjecture purely that they do.
Who do you conjecture purely is responsible for dirtying the system so that Jay Wright and Bill Self appear to recruit as dirty as you appear to conjecture purely that they do?
Note: My question is purely conjecture.
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@BShark I think they both start. DD/Charlie/Grimes/Dedric/ Doke. First man up w the bigs: Silvio. First man up w the guards: Marcus Garrett.
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@BShark I think they both start. DD/Charlie/Grimes/Dedric/ Doke. First man up w the bigs: Silvio. First man up w the guards: Marcus Garrett.
KJ I think will be more of a factor than this. But I see it similar, with the players you mentioned and KJ being the primary 8 player rotation.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Are you asking me? I think Garrett is firmly in the 8 man rotation and could start.
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@BShark but not starting? Who knows! 5 guard rotation? I would say grimes for sure, that’s it.
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I laughed so hard that now I have to clean green smoothie off my monitor and keyboard!
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I’m hearing that everyone except maybe Doke is working hard on their threy accuracy this summer!
We’ll find a couple of good shooters… long ways to go until tip off!
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I agree, except for Silvio. He is just too good to keep off the floor, UNLESS…unless he and Jay Wright and Bill Self and Jay Bilas are already in some kind of @BShark insider knowledge based, purely conjectural, but fantastically high confidence witness relocation program as we type. Booga booga!
“Paranoia strikes deep
Into your heart it will creep…”
—Buffalo Springfield, “For What It’s Worth”
Ahem.
Self tries to get his best 5 guys on the floor.
U r probably right at season’s start.
I guess Silvio could back up all year, because he has less experience than Ded and Doke, but…
Wow! Silvio seems a potential NBA stud to me already with just a half season of grooming.
Silvio seems the best big Self has recruited other than The Lion Slayer.
Normally he would sit and learn for a season, but he sat and learned half a season last year instead of attending Prom!
OMG!
Self has to find a place for him at tip off, by mid season, if @BShark, the Feds and the NCAA don’t deny him.
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drgnslayr said:
I’m hearing that everyone except maybe Doke is working hard on their threy accuracy this summer!
We’ll find a couple of good shooters… long ways to go until tip off!
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I never recall more than one mid 30% bricker transmogrifying into a 40% trifectater in a single season, do you?
Therefore the odds of even two of our guys reaching the 40% level seem slim.
And frankly, a team apparently needs at least 3 even to hang on against other teams with 4-6 from the Elite on.
I fear the days of Elite Eight and higher teams with only 1 > 39% trifectaters are behind us, maybe even with only two, also.
But I like your optimism!
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jaybate 1.0 said:
I never recall more than one mid 30% bricker transmogrifying into a 40% trifectater in a single season, do you?
2014-2015
- Svi - 0.288
- Manning- 0.333
2015-2016
- Svi - 0.402
- Manning- 0.500
You were saying?
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@BShark but not starting? Who knows! 5 guard rotation? I would say grimes for sure, that’s it.
He might. Staff loves him that much we know. Going to be a battle for minutes.
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He was asking for more than one player in the same seasons. He seems to think that teams will start stocking up 3-point shooters when in reality Villanova was an aberration and far from the norm.
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@drgnslayr Glad to be of assistance! Those fond memories…
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@JayHawkFanToo Evan went 1 for 3 to 2 for 4?
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He asked for percentages…
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JayHawkFanToo said:
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Can an aberration be near the norm, or would it just be near the norm?
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@jaybate-1.0 Aberrations are the new normal.
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I understand the fear.
But let’s face it… any team we face that gets hot from trey is a team we can lose to, regardless of their personnel or ours.
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Evan Manning?
Um, no.
Two rotation players the same season that start the same season as 30% brickers from the previous season and end up >39%ers with > 100 3pt attempts. Capice?
I love it when you reach desperately though!!!
Hey, I’ll go you one better! (Nudge, nudge, wink, wink)
I also went from 25% to 50% in 4 three point attempts in a grey hair league!!! That’s a total of three: Svi, Manning and Me!!!
You were saying?
Say, is Rummie a big Trump supporter?
Trump is starting look more and more like Jeremiah Johnson, isn’t he?
Oh, eh, u don’t like political talk mixed in. I withdraw the comment.
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mayjay said:
@jaybate-1.0 Aberrations are the new normal.
Well put.
In statistical terms, the formal and informal institutions have been parameters recalibrated to bias toward greater sigma around mu.
It does no oligarchy much good to rig a system to stasis (low variance), for that makes it hard to unstick and redirect the system brought under control (at considerable shifted cost) where you want it to go.
Gotta design in a little wiggle to reduce stickiness.
And the more you control you have the more variance you can afford to (and so want to) design in, so that stickiness becomes almost no obstacle at all.
Strange tendencies within what appears frightening chaos to others can be as good of ally as order in moving complex systems off their legacy equilibrium strategy.
This was one of the most impactful insights of chaos and complexity theories application in systems management.
Or so it seems to this fan.
But you still have to be vigilant about unforeseen consequences
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drgnslayr said:
I understand the fear.
But let’s face it… any team we face that gets hot from trey is a team we can lose to, regardless of their personnel or ours.
This is why I think what Jay did is so important to learn the lesson of.
With six > 39% trey balllers and all but two ranked 75-100 (that was for @BShark), you can win most of the time even against teams with only 2-3 >39% trey ballers, even when they are hot!
Basically, for you to lose with 6 trey ballers all six have to blow cold. It just doesn’t matter much what the other team does.
