Recruiting Thread
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Jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
Preston has always been oad, imo.
I think with KU really wanting to add a guard/wing and even taking a look at local guys it says Vick is very likely gone.
I for sure thought he was gone - and still think more of a chance he is then not, which in turn I feel leads us to a very legit chance with Romeo. - I try not to get ahead of myself as for as roster goes, wanting a really successful season this year - -BUT MAN - -and even more so if Doke comes back next year and then if we are fortunate enough to get Langford - -that roster would just be insane.KJ & Dedric Lawson - - McCormack - - De Sosua - - -Doke - - Lightfoot - - Cunliffe - - -then you would have - - Garrett - – Moore - - Dotson - - -Grimes - - & Langford -I mean JUMPIN - -GEE - -HOSSA - - FATS man - -that is just nuts lol – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I’d put Cunliffe in with the guards but yeah, VERY GOOD roster.
@dylans Seems like the staff is currently feeling good about Romeo, though if we start seeing KU scouting a bunch more guards/wings you’d have to say probably not. Adding one more guard/wing makes a lot of sense especially if the staff believes Vick and Newman are gone, it would require a guard in addition to Romeo to fill the roster. What we saw with Dotson and Grimes was very high confidence. The staff just let legit very good D1 players like Ayo and Carey go w/o a fight and things never really got serious with lower tier guards like Noah Locke and Montez Mathis.
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dylans said:
@Jayballer54 Can Devonte’ take a redshirt now and play next year?!? That would put them over the top next season, (but would destroy this years team
).LOL, no don’t think that can happen seeing as how Devonte is a Senior and we are way to deep into the season for that to be a possibility even if it could. Devonte finishing out his career, we are going to be a really strong team next year for sure even without Devonte. - -I think people going to really like Devon Dotson, the kid is really quick and he loves to drive the ball. - Now is that because his outside shot needs a little work? - - possibly but he does love to attack the rim - -kind of like Frank. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Ok so here is a question and ya, It’s probably some what of a question on my part mainly out of frustration on my part but yet probably some others might be thinking the same.
With the issues we have seem to have been running into these past couple of years , with a few players , Such as being able to get De -Sousa cleared for this reason , that reason - -With Billy and a some what questionable background or whatever - then what we ended up with Cliff - -the things that we went through with Diallo.
The question becomes guys , do we dare change our recruiting analogy ? - our recruiting tactics? - Do we start to trend away from questionable players - -Foreign players ? - -questionable background players? - -even thought these might be higher profile /ranked players ? - - Do we start to focus more on the maybe not quite as highly ranked but yet very solid off the court as well as on the court type player? - -OR do we continue to attack the higher elite the OAD’S and take our chances?
Do we feel less confident about the over all scheme of a season with a little lower player, do we feel like our season and our chances would be less if we took it a notch lower . - Seems like our chances would still be pretty good with maybe still very good very solid players. - -I mean I don’t think your going t hear to many complain about maybe A LITTLE less ranked player the type of such as Grimes - -Dotson - - Mc Cormack and others - -haven’t heard about any issues with these guys - -Look how things turned out with a un known Frank Mason - -Devonte Graham - -hell even Vick. - -Do we maybe focus MORE on players such as this, then the if it comes about say you have an option - a top 5 elite OAD with a questionable background for one reason or another - -OR a player a little lower but still very very good and highly recruited with no questions -one or the other. Which way do you go?
I don’t know. just getting a little tiresome , just don’t really see a lot of other schools having as many issues as what it seems like we have ran into these last couple of yeas. - Do we need to step back and re evaluate our approach - I’m not saying concrete one way or another just curious that’s all. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I think Vick is back. Just don’t see him as a first rounder right now, but will be the go to guy on the perimeter as a senior. Also keep in mind he’s not an older guy, he’s not even 21 yet. Not like he’ll be a 24 year old rookie if he stays all 4 years. Same with Doke. He just turned 18 this fall. No rush to bolt now when he’s got very obvious weaknesses that will only get more exposed in the NBA (e.g. rebounding, shot blocking, shooting).
For my money, I’d rather take a transfer this offseason that an unknown. We don’t need anymore depth next season, and some experience would be nice in 19-20. Assuming a worthy candidate is on the market, of course.
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@BShark I’m not sure I want Vick to be the leader of a team. That’s what worries me the most.
Teams take on a personality. Vick doesn’t have a winning personality.
Give me a guy in Langford who can get to, and finish, at the rim.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I’m not sure I want Vick to be the leader of a team. That’s what worries me the most.
Teams take on a personality. Vick doesn’t have a winning personality.
Give me a guy in Langford who can get to, and finish, at the rim.
Well, you don’t want Romeo’s personality either. Though with him being a FR he wouldn’t be a team leader, he could just be one of the guys which I think is best for him.
Dotson is definitely leader material, it will be interesting to see how next year’s team shapes up from that perspective.
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One bad game doesn’t change Vick’s stock. He’s had six 20+ games already, he’s rebounded and gotten teammates involved at a higher rate then he’s ever. The Tech game was a really bad taste. He simply failed to impact the game in any category. He’ll have to put that game well behind him.
So some mock’s have Vick in the late 1st, worst case scenario is he’s probably an early 2nd type? He’s never going to be a lotto pick unless he took the Mason jump as a Sr so coming back is really about just solidifying 1st round status for him. Still a ton of ball left for him to figure out where he stands.
Doke should be back. But the thoughts roaming in my head keep saying he’s going to leave regardless
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@BeddieKU23 I don’t see Vick going before pick 40 this year. It’s a really strong draft. The 2019 draft is a lot weaker since the 2018 class is much weaker. As far as leadership, it’s going to be a little lacking next season no matter what. Langford would just be another guy. He’s an introverted, quiet kid.
Doke isn’t even on draft boards yet. Not sure he does anything but the D League if he leaves.
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No way do i see Vick going pro this year. I don’t think he thinks he’s ready.
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I’d rather have no leadership and let the role be up for grabs than I would want someone who is clearly not an Alpha take on the role just because he is a Senior.
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Maybe he is a 2nd round type this year. If that’s the case I’m sure he’ll return. I just think projecting him back right now is premature when there is over 20+ games left for him to figure it out. He’s not as limited as Svi & Graham will be going into the draft who are clearly not 1st round caliber picks. Vick has upside because of his age, his athleticism, his improved shooting, rebounding, assists etc. What would probably separate him from coming back is taking on an Alpha role and not disappearing from games like he did this week. Overall I think he still has the best chance to be a 1st rounder on the roster at the moment.
Doke has his weaknesses, he should return. I just can’t get away from what he said when he signed that he wanted to be a 2 year player. Whether that changed when he got injured is the big question. I think it was Self that said he wouldn’t leave after this year unless he had a 1st round guarantee which seems very unlikely. We’ll see, it would be great to hold onto him for another year and have that depth again
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@BeddieKU23 Doke is emotionally young too! Maybe him and Silvio will hit it off. He seems a lil detached from the others.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 Doke is emotionally young too! Maybe him and Silvio will hit it off. He seems a lil detached from the others.
Good point. Both from Africa, can see that maybe having some influence
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@BShark I didn’t understand any of that…
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Self to see Langford tomorrow.
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https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2018
Grimes up to #10
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He’s better then the two guys in front of him. Bazley does have a ton of long term potential though at his size. Jones still gettin that Duke/brother hype I see.
Nice to see Dotson at #17
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Sam Williamson up to #87 on 247 composite. Still super low on 247 at #170. Someone from Rivals is high on him as he is #48 in their new rankings. He is definitely working his way up to be a player KU would be very happy to have.
Rivals actually has him ahead of Chandler Lawson and Malik Hall whoa.
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Not surprised he’s ahead of the younger Lawson. Must be having a big season
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I have noticed that some of the ranking services tend to be way behind and don’t upgrade often enough to reflect current play so ranking could be way different the next update.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Not surprised he’s ahead of the younger Lawson. Must be having a big season
Has Chandler not been having a great season? I haven’t been paying too much attention.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I have noticed that some of the ranking services tend to be way behind and don’t upgrade often enough to reflect current play so ranking could be way different the next update.
Yeah I don’t think 247 has done a real major update in awhile. Rivals within the last month did major 2018 and 2019 revisions.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Not surprised he’s ahead of the younger Lawson. Must be having a big season
Has Chandler not been having a great season? I haven’t been paying too much attention.
Just observing both of them I can see why Williamson is getting some attention. He can really shoot it. I just think Chandler lacks the skill that his brothers have. Don’t get me wrong there is plenty of potential with him but he just screams athlete at this stage. Williamson has one really good skill already.
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One time target Jarius Hamilton ended up at BC along with his brother who’s transferring in. 2 for 1 deal
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@BeddieKU23 Yeah he can definitely shoot it. I’d love to see him end up at KU.
I wonder if that was always part of the equation with Jairus. If it was, then it really makes sense why he ended up at BC.
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I wasn’t sure where to put this but so many midseason transfers now. More than I can remember. Blake Harris has left Missouri for NC State.
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@BShark Nebraska is losing a sophomore big man.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Nebraska is losing a sophomore big man.
Glad we don’t have to be in the market this year.
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I just couldn’t imagine being a coach in today’s game. Not a lot of loyalty, from any party. And too many opportunities for players that they really do have the upper-hand.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Yeah he can definitely shoot it. I’d love to see him end up at KU.
I wonder if that was always part of the equation with Jairus. If it was, then it really makes sense why he ended up at BC.
Looks like that (brother) became more of a thing late in the game. Hamilton really didn’t progress last summer in AAU and a lot of bigger schools backed off. Good spot for him IMO.
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BShark said:
I wasn’t sure where to put this but so many midseason transfers now. More than I can remember. Blake Harris has left Missouri for NC State.
I was going to get around to posting that. Still think he would have been nice to have backing up Devonte this season. However having Dotson and Grimes next season more then makes up for it
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Nebraska is losing a sophomore big man.
Glad we don’t have to be in the market this year.
One of the best posts of the year!
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Kcmatt7 said:
I just couldn’t imagine being a coach in today’s game. Not a lot of loyalty, from any party. And too many opportunities for players that they really do have the upper-hand.
Yeah. Even Self got into a tough spot with recruiting misses and players not working out.
With the way we have loaded up there could be a transfer after next season but I hope not.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I just couldn’t imagine being a coach in today’s game. Not a lot of loyalty, from any party. And too many opportunities for players that they really do have the upper-hand.
Even less loyalty with coaches unless you are an elite coach at an elite school
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Yeah he can definitely shoot it. I’d love to see him end up at KU.
I wonder if that was always part of the equation with Jairus. If it was, then it really makes sense why he ended up at BC.
Looks like that (brother) became more of a thing late in the game. Hamilton really didn’t progress last summer in AAU and a lot of bigger schools backed off. Good spot for him IMO.
Yeah even Maryland backed off, enough said.
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And every school in North Carolina. He wanted to stay in state and his last remaining good options were BC and Ben Howland. Yeah
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
I wasn’t sure where to put this but so many midseason transfers now. More than I can remember. Blake Harris has left Missouri for NC State.
I was going to get around to posting that. Still think he would have been nice to have backing up Devonte this season. However having Dotson and Grimes next season more then makes up for it
Harris, unlike Moore would potentially impact recruiting. And really I don’t think our guards are an issue at all, though Newman has been mostly disappointing relative to what was expected, fair or not.
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BeddieKU23 said:
And every school in North Carolina. He wanted to stay in state and his last remaining good options were BC and Ben Howland. Yeah
I think KU definitely could have got him had the staff pushed for it, based on what I’ve read. Not really interested in a PF in a wing’s body though. I think he is probably ranked too high at 64.
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@BeddieKU23 Thats what I meant by all parties. The money is too good for coaches. There is always another program willing to take a player. It is just a nightmare.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Thats what I meant by all parties. The money is too good for coaches. There is always another program willing to take a player. It is just a nightmare.
Yes the money part is actually the problem.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
I wasn’t sure where to put this but so many midseason transfers now. More than I can remember. Blake Harris has left Missouri for NC State.
I was going to get around to posting that. Still think he would have been nice to have backing up Devonte this season. However having Dotson and Grimes next season more then makes up for it
Harris, unlike Moore would potentially impact recruiting. And really I don’t think our guards are an issue at all, though Newman has been mostly disappointing relative to what was expected, fair or not.
I agree Harris could have impacted recruiting. Whatever the case Self whiffed hard on evaluating who’d be a point guard on this team with Graham. With his comments recently about Newman he almost sounds stunned how bad he’s played after all that he flashed to the staff in his off-year. Whatever the case we will find out whether Newman is a new man or not real soon
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Well the staff did recruit PGs, they just didn’t land any.
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Kentucky rekindling interest in Moses Brown. But but they didn’t whiff on Bol they didn’t want him and weren’t going to take a big this class.
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@BShark right? They probably won’t offer unless Richards and Washington leave. So we’ll see.
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Moses just wants to be recruited. For a Top 20ish type player not a lot of teams seem to be that interested in dealing with him. Kid would be good in College if he stuck around for a while and developed which I doubt he’ll do
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OAD in his own mind.
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BShark said:
OAD in his own mind.
Which is why I’m fortunate KU wasn’t after him
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@BeddieKU23 I think we got two better fits. Moses doesn’t have the kind of competitive fire you want in an elite prospect. He’s got all the ability in he world but wants to be a wing. I’ve never been a huge fan of his tbh.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 I think we got two better fits. Moses doesn’t have the kind of competitive fire you want in an elite prospect. He’s got all the ability in he world but wants to be a wing. I’ve never been a huge fan of his tbh.
Agree on all points.
