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  • @BShark Besides the coaches, it appears like it was Adidas who got popped. https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/four-college-basketball-assistant-coaches-hit-with-federal-fraud-corruption-charges/

    At least they are trying :joy:



  • I’ll be honest as long as KU isn’t popped, I don’t care too much about this. I have no doubt KU paid players though.



  • @BShark I don’t believe for a second that KU paid players.

    I do 100% believe that players were paid to come to KU though. And as long as there is a deniability between Self and the other coaches I’m ok with it. Nothing different than any other program. Anyone who thinks WWW and Cal don’t have something crazy going is an insane person. No other way would a team be able to out recruit everyone so drastically. Any other time in history a team has dominated recruiting, violations were found. No reason to believe this is any different.



  • THE Article I read about the Corruption said that there were four Coaches - - -Managers, - - financial advisors - - and a major international sportswear company.

    Two of the coaches listed were: - - Chuck Person of Auburn - -you remember Chuckie don’t you? - -and then Lamont Evans of Oklahoma State - hey there is a star for the Big 12 - this is going to get ugly. having a press conference at 12:00. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • boy this is interesting. I thought this type of stuff would stay hush hush forever. Guess not



  • Just found out the other Coaches. - There are four: - - Lamont Evans of Oklahoma State - - - -Chuck Person of Auburn - - -Emanuel Richardson from good ol Stinky’s crew Arizona - - -& then Tony Bland from USC -suppose to be in Federal Court later today.

    They were steering these guys to Agents and financial advisors once leaving school and getting paid thousands to do so.

    The International Sportswear Company? - - -yep you got it - - Adidas . Arrested was the director of global sports marketing - - James Gatto.

    Evans said he feel the pressure to influence with so many one and dones that every kid he recruited was his " PERSONAL KID" - hell ya when you getting paid thousands of dollars. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • Interesting the timing of this re: Adidas, considering they just leaped ahead of the Jordan Brand in sales in the U.S. as per an article last week. Surely, Nike is not clean in all of this. But, if this is the bombshell the media is suggesting, I’m sure the fit is about to hit the shan and more names/institutions will be exposed. Then again, I thought the same about the alleged (proven) impropriety at UNC. Whatever came of that? The golden goose always gets a reprieve.



  • I wonder just what the penalties could be. If someone goes to prison, this could legitimately change the recruiting landscape for both football and basketball.



  • I expect Cleveland State to get the death penalty soon!



  • Somehow, Somewhere, Someone will read that article and make a Dollar Bill reference



  • Justice department announcing charges on several live streams right now.



  • There will be more that comes out in the future. FBI is in DEEP in this. Have several FBI agents posing as financial advisers. Plea deals will be made for more names. This is far, far from over. College basketball recruiting just changed. Holy crap.



  • If you don’t know exactly what happened, here is a summary of the Justice Department’s press conference.

    • Scheme #1: Coaches taking bribes from financial advisors, agents and managers to push players that they are recruiting towards them.

    • Scheme #2: Sports brands paying players to attend schools sponsored by their brand. Some players over $100k. They passed the money through shell companies and committed fraud by putting those charges on the books as something else.



  • @jaybate-1-0 has been talking about this for over three years. You get to thinking it’s just there, part of the background, never gonna change. Wow.



  • I think KU is clean in all of this or our recruiting classes would be much more like some of our peers (not naming names)! 3 stand out BIG TIME far and away from the others. KU has had to patch things together with transfers, lower rated players, and had to utilize a play book to win games and our peers have had the luxury of having players funneled into their programs. Just sayn



  • The Adidas reps getting caught was just embarrassing. The quotes they have from them on Wire Taps are just insane. If you’re going to be committing felonies at least be smart enough to do it on a burner phone.



  • @Statmachine I would at least think that we have multiple levels of separation.



  • I would be shocked if this has any widespread impact unless there is more coming down the pipeline.

    Singling out just 4 coaches among the 100’s and advisors, agents etc among the thousands is not stopping business as usual tomm. Maybe it has a short-term effect but the AAU season is over, and doesn’t start back up for a bit. Time will pass and unless Federal oversight keeps its foot down peeps will go back to doing what they always do



  • @BShark

    Nothing to see here!

    Howling!



  • Damn this is crazy, shocked to see this come out and not include Cal. We all know these guys are getting paid.



  • @BeddieKU23 In the press conference they made it sound like they will continue monitoring college basketball and that they are in pretty deep at this point. They got one guy to turn and that caused 10 people to get arrested. The Justice Department and FBI now have 2 options:

    1. They can use this as a warning to other programs and brand reps. They don’t offer plea deals and crush these 10 individuals with long prison sentences and harsh fines hoping that the scare tactic works. I think this would be effective to an extent.

    2. They can take those 10 people and offer them pleas and get another 100 people. Then take the 100 people and get 1000. And actually clean up college basketball.

    I think #2 seems more likely. They have already done the hard part by getting in the system and finding out what was going on. Now, you take these 10 people, you slam a 5-year prison sentence in front of the 4 coaches and offer up a deal if they will give you names. You slam a 20-year prison sentence and millions in fines in front of the brand reps and offer up a deal if they will give you every name you ever wanted. This lets these coaches continue their lives and puts a stop to the problem without legitimately ruining anyone’s life. This is not something people need to do jail time for. But it is something that needs to be fixed.

    I do suppose there is a 3rd option that is what usually happens:

    1. No major penalties or jail time are enforced. Precedence is set. Business continues as usual.


  • @approxinfinity

    The minute I saw KU get that big adidas contract, Self talk retirement, and heard KU had a $50 M stadium donor, coupled with rumors of KU leaving for B10, I suspected there would be blow back!!!

    But it’s now way bigger than sports. Our Deep State appears to be at war with a major element in Germany and its allies in USA. Hoops and shoe wars are caught up in much higher stakes.

    Artillery always fires short and long before targeting in between. Buckle helmets and fill sand bags. I sense incoming!



  • @jaybate-1-0 I thought you’d appreciate the thread title.

    And yes, how great that the FBI is tackling THE REAL ISSUES in the world today.



  • No way Pitino and Pearl survive this right? LOL



  • @BeddieKU23 Rick Pitino gets fired over this, period.

    Jim Gatto, director of global sports marketing at Adidas, was among those arrested. He’s accused of helping funnel approximately $100,000 to the family of an “All-American high school basketball player” to secure the prospect’s commitment to a school Adidas sponsors. According to documents, the prospect committed in June. The only “All-American high school basketball player” who committed to a school Adidas sponsors in June is Brian Bowen. He’s now enrolled at Louisville.

    Louisville coach Rick Pitino was asked about Bowen’s commitment in June. “We got lucky on this one,” Pitino said. “I had an AAU director call me and say, ‘Would you be interested in a basketball player?’ I said … ‘Yeah, I’d be really interested.’ But [Bowen and his people] had to come in unofficially, pay for their hotels, pay for their meals. So we spent zero dollars recruiting a five-star athlete who I loved when I saw him play. In my 40-some-odd years of coaching, this is the luckiest I’ve been.”



  • @jaybate-1.0 You called it. The big shoe money, the buying off players, the embargo … the whole enchilada. Your scoffers probably won’t be heard from, I’m guessing.



  • KUSTEVE said:

    @jaybate-1.0 You called it. The big shoe money, the buying off players, the embargo … the whole enchilada. Your scoffers probably won’t be heard from, I’m guessing.

    I mean, it was the worst kept secret in the world. Not sure I believe the embargo though. Do I believe Self burned some bridges? Seems likely, but embargo? Meh.



  • @BShark Mo Kan Elite.





  • KUSTEVE said:

    @BShark Mo Kan Elite.

    Also: PSA Cardinals.





  • @KUSTEVE

    Cracking down on adidas appears like cracking down on hub cap thieves in a 'hood, while heroin, crack and meth are reputedly being sold openly on Wall Street. 😀

    Is this a serious attack on adidas market share for challenging TPTB?

    adidas appears practically marginalized already in its apparent ability to supply top talent in competitive quantities!

    What must TPTB be doing?

    Holy cow! Whatta world!



  • @KUSTEVE DEAD! :joy:





  • jaybate 1.0 said:

    @KUSTEVE

    Cracking down on adidas appears like cracking down on hub cap thieves in a 'hood, while heroin, crack and meth are reputedly being sold openly on Wall Street. 😀

    Is this a serious attack on adidas market share for challenging TPTB?

    adidas appears practically marginalized already in its apparent ability to supply top talent in competitive quantities!

    What must TPTB be doing?

    Holy cow! Whatta world!

    They are getting anyone they can. Multiple Nike and UA guys too. One of the Adidas execs just recently left Nike for Adidas, so the transgressions probably took place while at Nike.



  • What’s weird to me is none of the four coaches charged so far are even at Adidas schools. ??

    OSU, USC, Arizona are Nike schools. Auburn is Under Armour.



  • DanR said:

    What’s weird to me is none of the four coaches charged so far are even at Adidas schools. ??

    OSU, USC, Arizona are Nike schools. Auburn is Under Armour.

    Yep. This is what I was saying earlier. They are nabbing ANYONE they can catch.



  • Arizona: Nike school Auburn: Under Armour school Oklahoma State: Nike school USC: Nike school Charged with federal crime: adidas exec



  • @BShark

    Hope you’re right, but it appears we are in for a very, very long and hard fought economic war for the soul/sole of the game. And I believe we are still quite early in the asymmetric strategic-tactical exploitation of the legal-political constraint.



  • @Kcmatt7

    Option 3 sounds likely to happen but the FBI definitely just opened a bunch of eyes (millions) to this so hopefully if they actually plan to do something here they will keep the pedal down and push through.



  • jaybate 1.0 said:

    @BShark

    Hope you’re right, but it appears we are in for a very, very long and hard fought economic war for the soul/sole of the game. And I believe we are still quite early in the asymmetric strategic-tactical exploitation of the legal-political constraint.

    If you are saying more will come of this I agree. Still very early in the process.





  • @BShark

    I’m saying you have to make it look like you are going after “everyone”, when you are going after “someone.”

    I’m saying leopards don’t change spots until AFTER they have been hopelessly crushed.

    Self talking retirement very recently (ie, appearing to make himself a lameduck) and appearing to tie it to “the way recruiting is”, which was already anomalous, grows increasingly conspicuous.



  • @BeddieKU23

    I could be wrong, but I just don’t see the FBI leaving it all on the floor for Cal in Lexington, while Mitch McConnell has enough clout to appear to stop repeal of Obamacare for the Deep State. 😀



  • It’s easy to read that as Self jumping out in front of it.



  • One other interesting thing about this is that only Adidas is mentioned but 3 of the 4 schools are Nike andd the other is under armor.



  • @kjayhawks

    It is thought-provoking.



  • To et al,

    I have only been posing a hypothesis for the last few years, one of many possible explanations of puzzling phenomena in college basketball recruiting. And at the end of the day today, this is just a piece of evidence at the arrest and allegation stage. Nothing definitive .



  • Are we pristine?

    Is this the death of college basketball?


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