Whiff City
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I feel really good about Grimes and Dotson signing with KU early.
Love the optimism. That was my feeling in the summer when AAU was going on and that was hotly debated here about which guards we’d land.
Self will get a x-mas card if he comes through here
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BeddieKU23 said:
Highly doubt the Zion one is true.
Dotson before the end of October… Is he going to end his before Grimes visits KU or wait?? Has to be the biggest development we are waiting on at this point.
The rumour, fwiw, is that he verbally committed to KU on the visit and will announce Friday. The guy that posted it has been wrong (and right) before so yeah we will see.
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@BShark That would make my day!
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Heck of a rumor. If he ended up announcing friday without visiting Kentucky boy I’m sure the collective internet will open an investigation against us
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What I think will happen is Zion won’t announce (much to our dismay), he’ll visit more schools including Kentucky for their Big Blue Madness which I’m sure UK will engineer it so Quickley is there as well. He hasn’t taken his officials to either in-state school yet right or Duke? Duke probably is out after they land Barrett. Then Kentucky puts the pressure on Zion and his family…
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BeddieKU23 said:
Heck of a rumor. If he ended up announcing friday without visiting Kentucky boy I’m sure the collective internet will open an investigation against us
The internet would implode. Twitter would crash.
The whole thing seems unlikely to me, but we can dream.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Heck of a rumor. If he ended up announcing friday without visiting Kentucky boy I’m sure the collective internet will open an investigation against us
The internet would implode. Twitter would crash.
The whole thing seems unlikely to me, but we can dream.
Definitely, we did as much as we could on the visit. Late Night had a crazy atmosphere. Lil Yachty is a perfect example of Self understanding what kids like today. We’ll see how it goes!
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@BShark Things look good… Idc who commits first, but Dotson or Zion need to do it already so they can convince the other one lol
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Things look good… Idc who commits first, but Dotson or Zion need to do it already so they can convince the other one lol
Would be sick. For anyone that didn’t check comments, Dotson commented on it with 3 eye emojis.
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@BShark lol thanks for interpreting
didnt realize that was dotson. makes sense now.
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@BShark wait you sure thats Dotson? Name says Jelani Richards
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Zion and Big Dave in the pic. Dotson just commented on it.
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approxinfinity said:
@BShark wait you sure thats Dotson? Name says Jelani Richards
ddotson_1
https://www.instagram.com/ddotson_1/
I’m fairly sure
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Things look good… Idc who commits first, but Dotson or Zion need to do it already so they can convince the other one lol OK, what am I missing lol - things look good as far as what? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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take this for what its worth. IT’S a Maryland Fan slanting his opinion to Maryland, of course but he did deliver by asking for info from his “source”. But apparently he’s got a buddy close with the Dotson circle. How many of THOSE have we heard in the past 2 weeks… I don’t think its any earth shattering information but he definitely tries to alleviate the concerns Maryland had while raising ones for Kansas that weren’t really an issue before. It’s funny how each side is playing the other card in this.
Update:
Just got off the phone with my buddy. As of this morning, a decision has yet to be made. Dotson is looking to commit by the end of the week, however his choice between MD and KU is still day-to-day. KU is NOT a lock, if his family had been sold on KU or Florida, there would have been no MD visit. My buddy also reiterated that Florida was unofficially out, prior to the Nembhard commitment.
In the MD OV this weekend, it seems that the staff was able to fully alleviate the concerns of Dotson playing with Cowan. They see the Melo-Cowan tandem last year as a model for how Dotson and Cowan would play. KU is providing heavy competition however. The only knock on KU is that Dotson doesn’t possess a relationship with anyone on the roster besides Devonte Graham, who will graduate this year. The addition of Wiggins to the MD class is one of the reasons why MD is still in it. A commitment from Ayala would likely knock MD out of Dotson’s recruitment, despite the staff’s efforts to tell the family that they could play together. KU’s staff has placed great emphasis on Dotson and Grimes being able to coexist, however Dotson’s family are not completely sold as of right now. The next few days will be interesting.
My prediction remains with Maryland.
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@BShark i might be bad at navigating around Instagram? Not seeing his comment on the Zion / big Dave pic.
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approxinfinity said:
@BShark i might be bad at navigating around Instagram? Not seeing his comment on the Zion / big Dave pic.
You have to load all the comments. It’s obnoxious and takes repeated scrolling and clicking.
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The one thing I’ll give them (Maryland) is if the Dotson family wasn’t trying to keep him home he would have been KU already. Since they are playing the stay close to home and making Aaron Wiggins as big of a factor in this situation it makes you think he’s maybe going to choose being with his friend over his own decision. Why else would Maryland have been an option this late in the game if it wasn’t that exactly. Maryland would have never been on his radar if his best friend wasn’t going there and wasn’t recruiting him to go with him.
KU and Florida did their work early, Florida bailed once he wasn’t ready to commit to them and wait it out. KU has remained quiet on the recruiting front for other targets. They have said to Dotson and Grimes, the ball is in your court come here and play from day 1. Otherwise why would Self not be offering others and looking at option c’s and d’s (Dosonmu, Carey etc)…
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Have a question. - As I check 247 daily wanting to know is anyone else that checks it out sometimes if you’ve been there today did you have trouble pulling the CB’S up? - I can get the Player rankings but can’t pul the prediction up of the latest news feed am I the only one having trouble trying to get that to come up today? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Hmmmm , so scuttle butt saying that Zion verbally committed to Self Saturday - -hmmmm probably not true - BUT - -some rumor of Zion saying he was going to announce Friday. - Some talk about Dotson wanting to announce by the end of the week. – Hmmm Williamson - -Dotson - - -Dotson - - -Williamson - - -Friday/End of the week. - -Hmm connection? - Yeah, no, maybe? - -Had been some talk about the two making reference of possibly liking to play with the other. Again connection? – Some smoke? - - Some fire? - - maybe , possibly. - - Is this a reach? - -more then likely - -very possibly - -just a random thought. - You got to admit - it does make you stop even if it is just for a second yes ? - - - - Man I have got to lay off the Diet Coke doing strange things to my thought process - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Maryland’s board trying to say maybe, sort of, but could, possibly, think about, committing to someone this week.
Matt saying
“Seeing how his dad is out of town for the rest of the week - it’s highly doubtful it will be this week. Next week at the earliest.”
Which idiot do we believe?
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BeddieKU23 said:
Maryland’s board trying to say maybe, sort of, but could, possibly, think about, committing to someone this week.
Matt saying
“Seeing how his dad is out of town for the rest of the week - it’s highly doubtful it will be this week. Next week at the earliest.”
Which idiot do we believe?
Well pull this from an article of rivals from a poster off the Phog
Dana Dotson saying probably within a week or so as far as Devon Announcing , he told rivals this now that the Maryland visit is over. He said about his visit to Maryland what Dana DID ask was for a projected depth chart. He said we wanted to see who do you REALLY expect to be back for next year. Dana said Anthony Cowan started as a freshman & will definitely will start as a Sophomore . So how they asked so how do you play two guys because Anthony is 5’11 - 6’ and is even smaller then Devon they said so how do you play those two guys? - -He said and then their 2017 class has a bunch of wings that are pretty good and they are looking to bring in wings in 2018.
So if your playing a two PG your playing a wing at the 3 or possibly 4 if you go 4 out and 1 in. - -Dana said we had a lot of questions. KU figures to l be in need of guards following the graduation of Devonte Graham - - -And Svi Mykhailiuk and the likely loss of Malik Newman and possibly LaGerald Vick. - - So sounds like probably anywhere up to a week we should know. - keeping fingers crossed for my boy. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Well looks like Quentin’s visit to Kentucky went pretty good. - -Said Cal’s message was about putting him in the league , being able to play and practice against other 5 star players, Cal said if he landed 3 guards how he could play the 3 guards, talking to Quentin about them feeling that he was one of the better guards in this class and if he came in and put in the work they feel he could be a one and done.
Was feeling pretty cozy about Quentin but after this read ummm maybe not so much , I mean still feel we are in pretty decent shape only maybe not quite as decent a we were. - - His AAU coach said that Quentin parents not in any big hurry But he couldn’t really see Quentin pushing this into 2018 - probably a fall time decision.
Says Quentin still has 2 visits left Marquette & KU he has had all his in home visits. Says Quentin knows pretty much each one’s sell to him on how he would fit in , now just wants to see the Campus - -see the facilities, check out the training/weight room conditioning facilities and such The dorms . - -Here is where when Quentin meets I’m sure Coach Hudy - she needs to make that strong pitch - Hudy does a remarkable job with the players - -they are talk very positive about her. -I think our weight/conditioning facilities take a back seat to no one. - -I think our Campus is one of the more beautiful one’s around - - Bring him in and close the deal - -Give him a Strong show.
Might turn out being a good thing for us that he DID switch his visit - -this way we can give him more one on one attention in place of late night -give him that more concentrated attention. - - -Something STILL tells me he will end here - -IF we sell him on his visit. - MAKE THAT STRONG IMPRESSION - -rock chalk all day long baby
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@jayballer54 No crystal ball picks from the Kentucky hacks though. I think he is still KU STRONG.
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There is a reason Dotson is mulling it over so hard. Grimes is almost a lock. If he wasn’t, Dotson would be a Jayhawk already IMO.
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@jayballer54 Also he didn’t switch his KU visit. He was going to visit for late night on his own dime and visit KU again. He was going to do both. I don’t think it’s a huge deal though.
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BShark said:
There is a reason Dotson is mulling it over so hard. Grimes is almost a lock. If he wasn’t, Dotson would be a Jayhawk already IMO.
That shouldn’t matter at all. - -If Dotson is concerned about Grimes taking his playing time at point, that’s just crazy. - Grimes has said repeatedly he has no problems with playing at the 2 and letting someone else run the point. - -Would be no problem with both on the floor and getting their minutes at the same time - I don’t buy that at all. - -Grimes committing to KU should have no effect with Dotson. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Well, you can think what you want. However people that know the Dotsons have said it’s a concern. A big reason Maryland wasn’t being considered initially is that they will have an entrenched starter in Cowan. Maryland staff has been working to alleviate those concerns. Florida was eliminated because of Nembhard. If Ayala committed to MD (he would if he could) then MD would be out. Speaking of which if Dotson does pick KU, look for Ayala to commit to MD shortly after that.
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Lots of certainty here in differing opinions without direct information–what must it be like, I wonder, for a staff to be going through the non-stop reading of the tea leaves?
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mayjay said:
Lots of certainty here in differing opinions without direct information–what must it be like, I wonder, for a staff to be going through the non-stop reading of the tea leaves?
The concern with Grimes as well as Maryland’s guard situation is straight from Dotson’s dad. He has been very transparent throughout the recruitment. So I would assume his dad has been straight up with the coaching staffs. Honestly KU might have got lucky here. Florida was in deep but didn’t want to wait.
Florida is CLEANING UP btw, like hot damn.
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@BShark We went through lots of analyzing and agonizing through the transparent (pun?) family of now-forgotten whathizname who chose Oklahoma. What’d it get us except lots of ups and downs, and the thrill of seeing them think HCBS could not develop a PG. Bitch slap that, FM! Anyway, I just find it hard to get excited or dismayed by anything out of all the “concerns” even if quoted, and then there is social media.
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@mayjay Fair enough. What we do know for sure is that it’s KU or MD.
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@BShark Well as far as Grimes part of the whole thing from Grimes stand point it’s really not what I think - it’s what has been said by Grimes himself. - Sooo if that is the case for real with Dotson then - - maybe we don’t need him here, we will take Grimes and call it good.
I have no use for people that aren’t willing to work for their spot. - So if Dotson or family is trying to dictate playing time which it sounds like they are with the examples you give - if that’s the case - are they afraid of competition? If indeed your son is as good as you say he is and yet he is not up to the challenge? Then step plain and simple, If I were the Coach I want competitors, I’m not handing anything to anybody - -you work for your spot - your earn your spot , that’s the way it was when I played , that’s the way I’m sure it is now.
So if they just want a starting spot handed to him - -then see ya. Would love for hi here but only if he is willing to earn it, that falls more under of a case like it’s all about me , me, me - -instead of we we we. - -" Team " - -We will see. - -So again NOT really about if that’s what I wanna think , others players willing to change for the team - -he can to - -lots of playing time for both. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Sounds like you’re backing off your boy a little, @jayballer54. Can’t say I blame you. I’m getting tired of the back and forth as well.
His family’s been pretty transparent about the recruiting process…more so than any other recruit in my recent memory. Unfortunately, the transparency isn’t winning them any points.
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Dotson (or his parents or both) want a situation without another serious point guard/2 guard to compete with, in other words, nonnegotiable, guaranteed minutes. Not the make-up of a championship caliber team.
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Lately we’re hearing he’s reluctant to go to KU bc he doesn’t have any friends on the current roster.
Are you kidding? So now schools are expected to provide not just minutes but built-in relational security blankets. This whole recruitment is starting to spell INSECURITY.
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ajvan said:
Sounds like you’re backing off your boy a little, @jayballer54. Can’t say I blame you. I’m getting tired of the back and forth as well.
His family’s been pretty transparent about the recruiting process…more so than any other recruit in my recent memory. Unfortunately, the transparency isn’t winning them any points.
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Dotson (or his parents or both) want a situation without another serious point guard/2 guard to compete with, in other words, nonnegotiable, guaranteed minutes. Not the make-up of a championship caliber team.
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Lately we’re hearing he’s reluctant to go to KU bc he doesn’t have any friends on the current roster.
Are you kidding? So now schools are expected to provide not just minutes but built-in relational security blankets. This whole recruitment is starting to spell INSECURITY.
Agreed. – ya I guess I might be backing up at least a little if this is truly the case. I mean I believe your saying pretty much the same as I am.
Again if this is what these parents want - -no competition and the position just to be handed to their kid whether he is actually THAT good for that to happen? - -your right, is this what we want? - not the kind of make up I want for our team. If your good - -and you know your good , then you shouldn’t have to worry about getting you quote unquote minutes cause no one going to be able to keep you off the floor. - -Sorry but I am going to have to use a phrase that normally I am not crazy about because it comes from that piece of crap down the road BUT in this case I’ll borrow it - - " SHOW ME " - prove to me your that good to just have this handed to you.
I think Devon is a very good talent , but why not step up to the challenge if your as good as your parents and others say - ya think LeBron ever backed away from a challenge while playing? - -the old phrase - -you talk the talk - -so walk the walk.
As far as having friends? – Great if it turns out you have friends at the school you choose? -then so be it. – But how many of us when we graduated from High School we had friends - -very close friends , and we said we would always be friends and stay close forever? - -Just because a friend chose a different route in their life did that stop us from choosing the best route for us with the understanding well my friend isn’t doing this so I’m not going to do it either without my friend? - -Devon is now at a point in his life - he is now becoming an adult - time to cut some cords, just as we have chose a certain path whether our friends do or not - -we chose what we thought was the best route for us. - -Devon needs to choose the best school, the one he feels gives him the best chance for the next level, whether his friends are there or not. -
Who knows maybe it turns out best if he DOES choose another school.- -If he is afraid of competition and as you say he has insecurity issues - -so be it - -let him commit to another , we land Grimes and hell maybe get back into the recruiting of the James kid we was recruiting for awhile as he de-commited from .OSU - we were in on him not as highly ranked but still a good player. - -Let Grimes run the point and James get some time at the 2. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 KU never recruited the kid that decommitted from OSU. He was hoping KU would.
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Don’t forget that KU still has Charlie Moore, a very good PG that will have a full season of experience at KU and Markese Jacobs in 2019. Also, Marcus Garret can always play some PG. I know many think he cannot play PG in Division I but he was named the Texas Gatorade player of the year playing PG; I think he can and at 6’5" he would be a very tall PG and a nightmare to guard.
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@JayHawkFanToo KU is in trouble if Moore is starting at PG. Self might agree with me, based on what he said during the scrimmage.
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Self LOVES Garrett though, that seems pretty easy to tell. Garrett will find time one way or another. Maybe loads of time next year depending on who KU adds.
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@jayballer54 I don’t think Lebron ever backed away from a challenge, but if anyone ever went to a team of his because they thought they could beat him out for playing time…well, that guy should have asked a few questions.
I think it is legit for a player to want to be top dog. And to want guaranteed playing time means really just not worrying that a few mistakes will kick you to the end of the bench.
I am not one of them, but some people here have argued this is what happened to Diallo, Cliff, Bragg (year 1), and even Hunter. Theoretically, they all might have made different choices if they knew there would be a short string.
We do not believe HCBS makes PT guarantees, but what happened to them is no doubt the type of thing presumed OADs wish to avoid when having concerns like those you discuss.
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mayjay said:
We do not believe HCBS makes PT guarantees,
Unless your name is Quentin Grimes. Now, obviously there is a bit of recruit speak going on but Self told Grimes (according to Grimes) that he would be one of the two focal points of the entire team next year along with Dedric.
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I seem to remember the talk was that Wiggins had been assured he would have plenty of playing time and Oubre was promised Wiggins spot. Other than that, I cannot recall any other players being promised playing time, although some players like Josh Jackson pretty much know they will get playing time.
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@BShark maybe we should. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark I wonder how promises like that would get enforced? And it seems like it would sort of piss off ZW to hear that. “Sure, Z, we promised being the focal point to two other guys. But you will be the MAN! More than a focus! You will be central! Svi, Vick, Devonte–they have all signed agreements to not want to be a focus!”
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@mayjay It’s certainly a dangerous game. No doubt Self must think Grimes is quite good to even say that though.
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I would tell him that and it would not be a problem since Svi and Devonte will be gone and likely Vick as well…
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@JayHawkFanToo Boy, was I WRONG! Temporary temporal distortion. I think I was just hoping they could sneak 5 years in. Or maybe I was just an idiot!
And, you do deserve this, thank you for the correction!
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I think you probably had the Perry Ellis team story in your mind…
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@JayHawkFanToo Now, that is really funny because after I drafted my guilty plea, I was going to add a reference to that story as a mitigating factor, but I didn’t have a strong factual case, i.e., it would have been a baldfaced lie.
