KU's Next BBall coach - a game!
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Ok let’s play a game to guess KUs next BBall coach. Hopefully we don’t get to verify the results for a long time. Think of this as a time capsule that might be fun to open up in a decade.
Here are the proposed rules:
- each post must contain only one guess.
- first person to guess correctly gets 15 pts, second person gets 10, third gets 6, fourth gets 4, fifth gets 3, sixth 2, seventh 1.
- for every wrong guess you get -1 pt, unless you get more than 3 thumbs up. That gets you your point back.
- any post that is modified is disqualified.
- don’t delete or purge posts. Just don’t be that guy. I think I can see if you do, but just don’t k?
Seem fair?
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@approxinfinity We’ve had amazing success at KU with a succession of HOF coaches. The next one up will have to be on par with that and IMO have KU ties in some way.
Leads me to believe that a former Jayhawk player or assistant coach will take the helm when the time comes.First guess? Aaron Miles
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@Lulufulu ok! I agree, has to be a fine fine coach. My guess is Fred Hoiberg. I think he’s got his eyes on the job and got in thick with Bill when leaving Iowa St.
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I would be surprised if Hoiberg cones to KU, too much emotional and family involvement with ISU.
I will go with the KU alumn that slowly but surely has been building his resume…Jerod Hanse.
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Too many variables at play to guess. Coach is still only 54. If he coached just another 10 years that would make him only 64. A lot can change in a decade or more. I would figure that UNC, Duke, and Kentucky will have their new coaches in place by the time Coach hangs up the clip board. Yet for the sake of the topic I’ll throw out Tarik Black, especially after he comes back to Coach and KU to cut his teeth in coaching.
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@DoubleDD ha! Love it.
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Danny Manning
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Kirk Heinrich
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Nick collison
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@JayHawkFanToo haase
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@wissox I didn’t have the pleasure of watching KU during the Hinrich era. Was he well spoken in post game talks? Always seemed like a quiet vet to me in the league. His teammates loved him and he worked hard (Joakim Noah called him Kirky Worky). That def translates, just was curious how he well spoken he was.
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I tought I fixed. Autocorrect kept changing it to Hasse…
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Robbie “Big” Johnson (gotta have one to follow up Bill and his 28 straight big 12 championships) Bill rides into the sunset following a 5th National Championship.
Robbie is currently a HS Sr. He will be the youngest head coach in KU history at a mere 33 years of age. The prodigy was a fast riser who took 2-33 St Mary’s school for the blind to the NCAA tournament in just his second year before jumping to a power 5 job at St. John’s. He took St John’s back to it’s heights of the ninties with a top 5 ranking and a trip to the final four in only his 4th year coaching.
Luckily the Booth endowment created after an unfortunate accident, allowed KU to afford to offer Robbie a lifetime contract after winning his 3rd straight national title in only his 15th year of coaching.
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@dylans lol! I can’t argue with your logic here, practically Joey Buckets Lunardi level of airtight prognostication
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@approxinfinity I’m not the one to speak on Kirk’s dealing with the media. I’ve never lived within the media shadow of KU. I really included him in your fun little quiz just an outside the box type name. I have no clue if he’s interested in coaching, or even what he’s doing now.
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All of these legacy picks. We’re not a legacy school. Bill took Tulsa to the Elite 8- what did Danny do with Tulsa? Haase had a good year at UAB, and followed it up with a losing record his first year at Stanford. Not nearly Bill Self quality. Not even close. I would say 10 years out that Brad Stevens would be my number 1.
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Ask Misery about their legacy pick, Kim English. How’d that work out?
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@KUSTEVE right, but its not what they have done right now, its what they would have done just prior to Self leaving which could be more than 10 years from now. So if Self retires in 10 years (just using for purposes of discussion) then the most likely candidates will be the ones who have lots of success in 8-9 years from now. There is still plenty of time for Danny to build a resume worthy of being KU’s head coach.
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@RockkChalkk I used to think Danny was being groomed to replace Bill. However, Bill doesn’t appear to be leaving anytime soon and Danny is the same age as Bill. I’d love to have Manning back as the bigs coach, but if KU needed a new coach today I’d like:
Brad Stevens Assisted by Fred Hoiberg
Head football coach hire Nick Saban
More realistically Dooley should be given a look esp. if Janokovich wants to come back with him.
Steve Wojciechowski Is a fairly hot name right now (Marquette) He’s pretty young and a good recruiter. He’s gotten one 5 star to Marquette and many 4 stars in his short time there. 15 years as Coach K’s assistant should have the recruiting channels open.
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Matt Lottich would be my guess and hope.
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As a legacy the next coach will be…
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@dylans think you broke a few rules!
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@dylans don’t be THAT guy
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@Crimsonorblue22 oops. No deleting though. We’ll just agree that I’m sofa king disrespectful.
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@Crimsonorblue22 ha well in this case I didn’t say anything because I figured we’d just not give him any points back if his post got more than 3 thumbs up.
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Bill Self started at Oral Roberts not Tulsa where in his first 2 years he had losing records and in his 4th and final year he took ORU to the NIT. Haase took UAB from being a bottom feeder in conference USA to winning the conference title in 4 years.
At Stanford, he inherited a team that in 8 years under Jhonny Dawkins finished only 2 years with a conference winning record. In 8 years, they had 1 CBI, 3 NIT and only 1 NCAA appearances, basically a program in shambles. If Hanse can do at Stanford what he did at UAB then he would be a worthy candidate.
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@approxinfinity You’re going to be waiting a long time to find out my first post was correct…
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@JayHawkFanToo I do think that if Bill makes it another 10 years it won’t be Haase. If it is 5 years, Haase is definitely in the running.
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I’m guessing Bill will be here another 8-10 years if we can keep him from the Spurs. Also, I think it will be someone with KU ties. I’m going to throw out Paul Pierce. I think he retires and will get into coaching. He’s only 39 so if it is 10 years done the road he would get experience whether that be in the MBA or at the college level.
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A few thoughts on potential picks…
Collison - I think he would make a great coach. One of the most fundamentally sound players ever to play at KU. He has been mentoring players for the Thunder but has no coaching experience.
Hinrich - Very smart player and one of the most beloved players for the Chicago Bulls and of course KU. A natural leader and aptly nicknamed Captain Kirk. No HC experience.
Mark Turgeon - Perhaps the most experienced current coach that played at KU. Have we given up on him or just accept he has found a home at Maryland and it will stay there until he retires?
Danny Manning - .Mildly successful as HC but being basically the same age as Coach Self it eliminates him from contention at KU where we like our coaches to stick around for a long time.
Jacque Vaughn - Dark horse groomed by Popovich. His HC experience was not that successful at Orlando but then, none of the last 4 coaches there has been successful; just a bad franchise that at one time was very good. Currently he is an assistant Coach for the Brooklyn Nets.
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@JayHawkFanToo You’re trying to equate Jerrod Haase with Bill Self? That is some real wishful thinking, imho.
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@JayHawkFanToo Ummm…is there any coach that isn’t a legacy you would consider? I mean, if the reason you’re hiring someone is they attended KU, isn’t that following Meth U, and their hiring of English? I personally hope we never hire a legacy. Larry Brown never attended KU, nor Roy, or Bill. Why is it now so important to have a KU grad as coach?
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approxinfinity said:
@Lulufulu ok! I agree, has to be a fine fine coach. My guess is Fred Hoiberg. I think he’s got his eyes on the job and got in thick with Bill when leaving Iowa St.
Wow. Freddy? You think he would leave the NBA for KU?
@KUSTEVE mentioned Brad Stevens. Also think he would leave the NBA for KU?
If so, you guys, I’ll jump on that bandwagon. Those guys can really coach.
I would like to have someone with KU ties. I said earlier a KU alum would be nice but I don’t think its a disqualifier if they aren’t one.
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Haase was an assistant coach at UNC for 8 years and for 3 of those he was the JV coach…like Roy Williams was. He is following a path similar to that of Coach Self, gradually moving up and building his coaching resume. Am I comparing him to Coach Self? No. Only a handful of individuals have been that successful; however, if Haase continues to perform well he will have a very successful career. When Larry Brown was hired after the Ted Owens tenure, KU was not an elite program and even after winning the title in '88, it was still not consider a top 5 or even top 10 program. It was Roy Williams that really brought the program to elite status and Bill Self that has kept it there.
Also, I am not fixated on having a former KU player be the next coach but it is not unusual for programs to hire individuals with previous ties. At this time, KU would hire a top 5 coach with more experience and gravitas as fitting for an elite program regardless of previous affiliation but in 5-10 years, Haase might be there.
I have posted before that my first choice would be Brad Stevens, who I consider the best if the younger coaches, but I just don’t believe he would come back to college from the NBA Celtics.
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Hoiberg is in somewhat of a hot seat with the Bulls and his return to college basketball is not out of the question. If he does, my guess is that it would be to ISU where he can build a dynasty of his own. Stevens, on the other hand, has a very secure position with the Celtics and I don’t believe he comes back to coach college. Just my opinion.
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Billy Donovan.
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Only 3 years younger than Coach Self…
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@Lulufulu KU is a better job than the Celtics.
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@JayHawkFanToo Reasoned response. Perhaps you can keep that handy the next time the entire board gets legacy fever…lol.
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RockkChalkk said:
Danny Manning
Absolutely DMan. He is definitely the chosen one with his resume. Turgeon and Boyle aren’t making KU splashes in Maryland and Colorado. Turgeon was going gang busters. They are the only ones that have D1 level experience. Lastly, don’t count JDooley out either. ;l
The only former player that has a real chance would be DMan. I think Dooley may be close behind. Manning’s record is fairly impressive. But he has some more work
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I’m pretty impressed with Mark Few as a non-KU linked coach.
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Agreed on Few but Manning is about the same age as Coach Self so it is likely they both would retire around the same time. I would call Manning’s carrier to date as mildly successful at best. Few does have the resume but he is also the same age as Coach Self so it is unlikely he follows him unless Coach Self retires in the near future.
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It makes you wonder what Few could do with a blue blood program like KU. If he can get the talent he has at Gonzaga, couple it with the KU brand and might put a scary team together.
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I’m not a Few fan. This was by far his most successful season and most talented team ever and I would be shocked if he is able to repeat it.
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@JayHawkFanToo Dean Smith, Eddie Sutton, Steve Fisher are/were pretty old. Eddie retired due to some health issues or he would still be coaching. Jim Boeheim is no spring chicken, even though he coached his last year at Cuse. Charlie Spoonhour coached St Louis at a fairly older age. Even Coach K is sticking in the mix at over 70? Tubby Smith is getting up in years too.
These are all great senior coaches that are prolly AARP toting bball coaches, but it’s not stopping them from rocking the Xs and Os. Hell, Bill Self may be sportin’ the AARP card too. He’s prolly milkin’ that card and gettin’ Cindy all kinds of senior discounts.
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@approxinfinity I was waiting for the Zags to Zig. But they never Zigged or Zagged. They didn’t have the talent of many other teams either.
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Self received his masters from KU so technically, he is an alum which would make him a legacy hire.
@KUSTEVE Legacy hires are not necessarily a bad thing. Since you bring up Missouri basketball and keep using them as the poster child of failed legacy hires, Norm Stewart played for Missouri and he was a prettt good coach.
Jim Boeheim and Roy Williams are also legacy hires, those two are pretty good coaches, wouldn’t you agree?
Just like hiring any other coach, a legacy coach isn’t guaranteed to be successful or a failure because of their ties to a school, but it does help them know the culture of the program and help with donors and marketing the program to recruits.
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I still think Haase is currently in tge best path to be Self’s successor.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Because the sole reason any coach should be hired is can they coach, not where they graduated from. We’re way beyond that stage. I used the English example because that was clearly a case where legacy appears to be the only reason he was hired. Roy could coach no matter where he went to school at; same with Bill. And they weren’t hired at their present positions because they were alumni. Yet, when anyone discusses Bill leaving, the only criteria seems to be whether they played here. You can keep correcting me on this issue, and I will continue to rail away about it. If/when we lose Bill, I want the best to replace him, period. No asterisks, no " we’re saving this job for Danny "…none of that. If Danny is the best coach in America when Bill moves on, then I’m all for him. If he’s not, then I don’t want him as coach. It’s not that I don’t love Danny…I do. But this program is beyond Danny or Jerrod at this point by a long margin …this program commands the very elite- the very best. To settle for anything less would simply be a travesty.
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I think you are taking the legacy concept too literally. I don’t believe I or any other poster has indicated that the position should be reserved for an alumn; however, being one should not necessarily disqualify him either and if two candidates are very similar then the legacy aspect can be used as a tie breaker.
The Missouri example is not a good one because when Kim Anderson was hired he was indeed considered an up and coming coach and no “name” coach would touch the MU program and a clean cut coach was needed to remove the stench left by Frank Haith and in a way, he did accomplish that. I don’t believe being an alumn was the primary reason for MU to hire him but more of a strong reason why Anderson agreed to apply for and take the job. Had daddy Porter not have been from Columbia and with ties to MU, Martin does not take the job that included an Assistant Coach and the #1 player and potentially other highly ranked players. In 3 years Martin will be gone and MU goes back to being a bottom feeder in the SEC.
If Coach Self decides to retire tomorrow, no question that Few would be a candidate; in 5-10 years? Who knows. Just curious, who would you consider to replace Coach Self, now? in 5-10 years?
