Kansas Jayhawks vs Davidson Wildcats Game Chat Mon. 12/22 7:00 CT
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@drgnslayr great point.
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I know that since players are getting paid, the attitude has changed from their fanbases and has become much harsher. Is it fair? I don't know... but while we complain about everything they do that doesn't meet our expectations, we also think they don't care about the schools they play for like they did when not played. We can't have it both ways. If we are going to nag on them constantly, it seems natural they will care less about the school and fans.
I blog on other D1 teams' pages, too... One of them is Kentucky... ha... mostly because I'm a Mark Pope fan. His job is impossible because the fanbase expects a Top 5 (or even Top 1) recruit class every year, and that just isn't going to happen. I've been a fan of his since he played at UK and then later with the Bucks, and then into coaching. I hope we never turn into a fanbase similar to Kentucky basketball, or Alabama football. It's a horrible world those programs live in. The pressure is way past anything healthy or constructive.
I smell a run! (better buy more toilet paper)
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@drgnslayr Hmmm sounds pretty much like the way a regular job goes. These kids are not College players anymore now getting paid. They have become performers , they don't stand up to the performers expectations ya, people not going to be happy , they going to bitch NIL has ruined the game of College sports. It's not a game anymore for these kids -- -it's become a business, The people who pay all this money want return on their investment
These kids don't care about these schools anymore The Scool; , The name . The Coach , whatever all they care about is the Money anymore.
So then if these kids under preform then the investors in return don't give a rats ass if they catch heat , as they feel like they aren't getting any return so if they get harassed the verbal is warranted.
Yet in the end who is it that REALLY suffers the most - -- it's the true fan of the game- - - - - All we want is our love for our school and to be able to watch a really great talent play
forgot to add kinda varied away , sorry but back to topic - - -- these kids are now doing a job just like John Q public we work and don't fulfill our work what happens ?-Your boss isn't happy, you may get called in the office ---you may be told you need to pick it up , you let your Co workers down-- -same for these players - --you don't step up , play to your potential or find reasons not to play. I feel these guys NOW have a job to do and if they aren't doing their job then they should expect to hear it from others
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A good rest for our guys. I don't know if Darryn can come back by the third of January. He will be practicing, lifting, and rehabbing. After evaluation he may or may not be on a minute restriction and he likely will be tentative until he gets bodied up. We on the other hand will be hoping he doesn't get his quad or hammy hurt. Any coach wants to win and Bill said he played Darryn a few more minutes than he had planned. NC State was really good and for that matter UCF presents their own challenge and doesn't mind a shootout. The top of the polls, the ESPN analytics, BPI and Ken Pom lists are littered with BIG 12 teams. This time of the season and after a few more weeks will be littered with great records gone bad. Welcome to 2026.
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@drgnslayr I side more with the fans at this point from the perspective the players are basically employees of the university at this point. If any one of us on here decides to call in sick 75% of the time, we would be fired in short order. He is being paid very good money to play basketball and he is not.
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@kjayhawks2.0 This is the absolute truth - before I retired there was an employee who missed 56 days of work in one year. He wasn't sick, no family tragedies, he just decided he didn't want to work when he didn't want to work. Good for him, I guess. But the net result was that every other employee resented him and resented the boss.
I'm not saying that this is the exact situation we have with this team, but human nature is what it is.
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@nuleafjhawk yes eventually some of the other players that are working hard every single day trying to get better are gonna resent him. This team seems more together than we have had in several years. If I’m Coach Self I sit down with DP and his family. We talk things over and if I don’t hear what I think is the right thing. I just remove him from the team immediately. This is a team sport we can’t have guys that aren’t bought in, they become cancers to teams.
Edit: I started delivering papers when I was 9, not sure I’ve called in for 56 days of work since I’ve started lol
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@kjayhawks2.0 We have that in common. The last job I had I was there 28 years and I honestly don't think I missed 5 days total. (Excluding vacation)
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Come on, guys... there is nothing similar to these guys playing ball and being paid and any form of a regular job. How many of you guys started your career with million dollar annual guarantee?
If you want to connect the dots to all of us and our mundane jobs, you will quickly resent all these players and the first time they screw up you'll go ballistic.
Don't take out your job dissatisfaction on players. I'm saying that as much for you as them. None of us are competing with these players and their jobs.
I'm not saying we shouldn't expect players to be responsible while drawing a check. They should be. And if they fake an injury and don't play... well... maybe that's on the university for not putting in a performance clause.
What I'm talking about in my initial post has nothing to do with players being paid. The pressure at UK basketball... and Alabama football... has been there for decades. Just ask Calipari. I never liked that guy and his revolving door teams... just because I saw this is the direction D1 was headed. If I had to grade Cal as a human being, I think of him differently. I followed him at Kentucky and I seriously doubt there is another coach in college basketball who got more involved in his community and was very generous giving to charities. That's the Cal we never talk about. I typically don't.... because I never liked his basketball style.
We are all living in some type of dystopian universe. We all worked hard and made normal money. These kids come along and it just looks like fun play, and many get paid more in one year of college basketball than most of us make in a long career. Dystopia! But no amount of complaining is going to change that. Or hating on players. Or throwing a fit because a kid missed a free throw while 4 million people watch.
2026 is approaching... and I hope all of you have an arse-kicking year! Make tons of cashola! Heck... hit the friggin' lottery! I'll continue to be an old man slaving away, but I'm happy and happy for others who make 100-times more money than me! Good for them!
I'm pretty much happy for any kids today making big cake because I don't see a great job horizon ahead. College basketball may be something immuned to AI, unless we change the rules and let robots play and operate on AI.
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@drgnslayr Cal’s recent comments on the transfer portal were really some of the best I’ve heard. He talked about having the first transfer be allowed with no penalty but then requiring the year to sit after that. You get into a bad situation, the coach lied or left or whatever, then yeah get out and find somewhere better, but after that don’t go chasing money. And his concern was not for himself and as a coach but instead for the players. Talking how if you transfer to four schools in four years you almost assuredly aren’t graduating. And then you have no connection to any university or people who will commit to helping you down the line.
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Yes! He's gone all over the sports media on this topic. And he's right about this.
And now we have Baylor!
What do you all think about it? What if we brought in one of these guys right now?
At what price are we willing to pay in pursuit of a trophy?
I like how Cal said he is sticking to his approach of going after high school kids.
