SOME NEW EXCUSES, QUIPS AND LACONIC DEFENSIVENESS FOR DAVID BEATY
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I’m suddenly feeling better about Kansas football… if it is true they are actually in the black. Zenger didn’t indicate that to me, but then, he was out to raise more money at the time.
For me, this does get into politics. I’m a fiscal conservative and I don’t like to see anything in the red!
Thanks to everyone for trying to uplift me on this.
@wissoxfan83
“Is it possible to be a fair weather KU football fan while being a hoops fanatic?”
For sure. I was a fair weather Royals fan until last year while being a hoops nut. Now I’m a Royals nut and a Jayhawks basketball nut. I could easily be converted back into a Jayhawks football fan… but I’ve put them on “if” status at the moment. I want to see their “ifs” come true first and then I’ll return to my old football nut self again!
I appreciated your post above. Thanks for covering my tail but also your point is correct.
At a certain point, fans continuing to show support for a 0-100 program are just being enablers and helping them stay without a win. Sometimes it takes a real earthshaking move to get the REAL CHANGE needed. I know it would temporarily be a bad thing… but if Kansas fans boycotted the remainder of the season after we go to 0-5, the message will be sent… the message is: “MAKE THE BIG CHANGES NECESSARY TO MAKE FOOTBALL A SUCCESS!”
Maybe we need a beautiful new football stadium that holds more fans than the other stadiums in the B12. Why? Because it is the first part of the message about turning things around.
How about we build luxury dorms for our football team? I know those dorms are going to be great for the basketball team and a few others. But doesn’t it also infer how inferior our football program is to our basketball program?
If we decide we aren’t going to be a losing program any longer, then making investments will pay off. If we invest in things just to keep the blame associated with losing moving onto someone else…
The fans are surely the last ones to blame in all of this. We’ve tolerated stuff for most of our lives and we are still calling ourselves Kansas football fans… barely!
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I’ve got nothing for the fb program. I waited on ManG and he turned the program around. I gave Gill a chance and he failed. I thought maybe Weiss might do something. I can give Beaty some time. Why not? We have nothing to lose at this point.
However, since Perkins is gone, can we just go back to ManG and throw Perkins under the bus at some point? IF Beaty fails after 3-4 years, let’s hope SZ can swallow his pride and pony up money that should’ve been given for ManG’s return. You can say what you want about ManG, but he had us in the W column and extremely competitive.
I doubt ManG will give KU a sniff at this point. Thanks LP.
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@truehawk93 I’ve heard plenty of first hand accounts from football players on 2009 team (not naming names for privacy reasons, but a couple were prominent figures on that 2009 team) and it wasn’t a pretty picture. Mangino lost the support of the locker room after the Arist Wright incident and that team quit on Mangino.
@drgnslayr @wissoxfan83 Quitting on the football program is the absolute last thing they need right now. Thet need as many people as possible to go to the games and to put money in the football program’s bank account. It’s absolutely pathetic how bad the support from the football team is on the part of the donors. When you can’t get people to invest in the program after a 12-1 season with a BCS bowl win, that’s even more embarrassing to me than the team potentially going 0-12 this year.
BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE PROGRAM. If yall want change in the program, support financially as much as you can and convince others to do so as well. It’s a much better feeling when the team finally breaks through when you were there suffering through the darkest hours than to ignore them until they do something. The only money the basketball program has ever gotten out of me is individual ticket purchases if I can make it to Lawrence during basketball season and apparel purchases. I have far more money supporting the football program because that’s the area where it will make the most difference for the better. They were able to pry $500k to get the track removed which was a start, and hopefully there will be another anonymous donor to supply a big chunk of other funds required for futher renovations to the stadium.
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I don’t follow KU Football even a smidge as much as I do Basketball as I like a different football team. I have watched the games this year & over the past few years and the options they have at QB are just not going to cut it.
Even last year it was no better. Cozart isn’t the option, he’s not going to win KU football games this year unless they have some sort of miracle. Cummings was hit or miss but at the end of the day I doubt he’s the type of play caller Beatty needs in his new system. If the staff has any belief in the other young QB’s they have then they should just play them. See what they got, see if any of them can be the future. If the program is really 3-4 years away from even respectable football then it makes no difference to watch Cozart & Cummings (if he comes back from injury) do the same things week in and week out. Beatty’s most important job on the recruiting front besides getting the #'s back up again will be to find his QB. Having a good QB can change so much in a hurry.
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@BeddieKU23 Just because I’m feeling ornery this morning, I’ll go ahead and say it. Apparently, even a couple of 5 star QB’s don’t make any difference in this program.
OK - take it away folks…
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My only rebuttal to that, is I believe those Qb’s were transfers right that didn’t pan out?? With all the coaching & roster turmoil its hard to expect any QB to be successful in this program until stability & development are in place.
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@BeddieKU23 They were transfers, but…so? If they were 5 star somewhere else, shouldn’t they have been here too?
I’m not really disagreeing with you. I don’t know WHAT the heck the problem is. It’s not any one position. It’s not the fans. It’s the whole program - the whole attitude about football at KU. MAYBE a top-notch dynamic coach would make a difference. Maybe not.
Maybe that’s why no BIG TIME coaches want to come here. They know it’s a losing proposition. It would be like Bill Self going to K-State and losing 25 games per season.
I’d like to think things could change, but it’s going to take a lot of time, a lot of money and a lot of change. I don’t know if KU is willing to invest any of those.
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@BeddieKU23 so what fb team do you follow?
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“With all the coaching & roster turmoil its hard to expect any QB to be successful in this program until stability & development are in place.”
This is a big part of why I have my doubts about Kansas football.
I know we need a coach around long enough to get their system going and have their own recruits. But why wouldn’t a star recruit look at our track record and see we typically go through changes every few years and there will be a great chance his college days will end up under another coach and another “rebuild.” Why would even a 4-star recruit put himself through this?
I think we are all living in a pipe dream. Our “Orange Bowl year” was a fluke, a fluke that even Mangino would likely not reproduce. We had everything go our way that year… like, if I’m not mistaken, did we even play OU that year? I think we had an easier schedule because we couldn’t play everyone when we had more teams in our league.
It may seem like I’m “giving up on football.” But the truth is that I’m not just floating along with another false dream. I’m not throwing my support blindly into thinking our new coach will fix what our past coaches did. I think Beaty has an impossible task.
I want to be DEMANDING OF RESULTS. I want to know the details on HOW we are going to turn this program around. So far, I just see blowing a lot more money and getting the same result.
Maybe, in reality, I’m the one who hasn’t “given up on football” and other supporters have. Which fans have given up? The ones who just idly let the future happen in the same losing pattern? Or the ones who DEMAND a REAL PLAN to make us respectable… and it has a REAL CHANCE to work… not just hiring a new coach.
I am starting to think the Orange Bowl year is doing us more harm than good. It has put out real “fools gold” making us think a new coach can get us back there. I see it like the chance of that happening being even more of a fluke than our Orange Bowl year. We have to have the perfect scheduling, have to recruit in enough talent that can even compete, have to have the right coaching and game plans, get plenty of luck concerning lack of injuries and TOs going our way at key times. And with all of that… it only gets us to the Orange Bowl ONCE again! It doesn’t mean our program is turned around and we’ll be making regular appearances to major bowls (like some of the B12 teams do on a regular basis).
Think of me as your banker. The guy you have to go to and ask for yet MORE money to finance your losing business. Why will loaning you more money fix your business? It didn’t seem to work last time, or the time before that, etc… I’m willing to bet still that football really isn’t in the black. It just gets earmarked fundraising capital to put it there… money that could go to other programs. I’d like to see the real numbers on football; gate receipts, vending, TV contracts, licensing revenue… all those sources that are specific just to football… and match that up with the expenses. And some of those expenses would still exist even if we did ditch football, like stadium maintenance. It might be more of a financial disaster to STOP football!
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Your right all on accounts.
Jake Heap was forced out of his BYU job, he had what 1 semi good year before leaving. Writing was on the wall with that kid. He tried to salvage his career here and he was pitiful under a coach who crippled the immediate future of the program.
There’s so many things you can point your fingers too that are wrong. A big time coach is out of the question, so if this school/fanbase/AD can’t show patience with this new coach who’s trying like heck to restore everything then the school doesn’t deserve to have football team. I think its that simple, maybe I’m wrong I’m often that.
Give the guy at least 5 years, it’s going to take a few years just to establish 2 deep depth with his own players.
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Florida State actually. A storied program that at the end of the Bowden days had real concerns about ever getting back to the glory days. I think Jimbo has silenced that fear & brought the product & performance back to its peak. But FSU is a football school first unlike KU which is always going to the be the issue.
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@BeddieKU23 when my boys were younger they too followed Florida state. I have cups and other fsu memorabilia. Are you a KU alum?
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I am not, I was accepted to both KU and FSU but I decided to stay closer to home for College ( a decision I always think about from time to time).
I became a fan of KU b-ball in 1995, when we beat Uconn in Kemper who had Ray Allen, Ollie, Marshall on the squad. The gold helmets for FSU with the stickers is what drew me to them at a young age…
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@BeddieKU23 Do you ever wonder how many young kids are drawn to KU because of our helmets?
Sorry.
I was going to stop there, but I never know when to shut my mouth. Or fingers, in this case. Am I the only one here that remembers when K-State SUCKED ? I mean, sucked bath water. They sucked like a Hoover vacuum cleaner. Big time, Major League, All-Star Suckage.
Then they hired this crazy man named Bill Snyder who changed the face of the football team, the University and the City of Manhattan. One of the first things he did was ditch the idiotic Willie the Wildcat cartoon and came up with the PowerCat.
I’m not a KSU fan by any stretch of the imagination, but there’s not many people that I have more respect for than Bill Snyder. He literally changed that whole town, the whole culture of Manhattan, and the PowerCat Logo didn’t hurt anything.
I love our basketball court. We don’t NEED anything fierce on the court - our players and coaches take care of that. I’m not a fan AT ALL of our football uniforms. Replace the giant Jayhawk on the helmet with dang near anything - even the letters KU. Or make them plain Crimson or plain Blue. Anything.
My personal opinion…
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Here’s an analogy for everyone. Imagine you’re a teacher and there are these two kids in your class. One makes straight A’s and comes from a well off family and has access to top tutors outside of school and will not remember you when he reaches his career peak because you were only one of hundreds of people who helped him. The other one struggles and makes D’s and F’s, doesn’t have the internet at home, and tutors don’t want to help him because they think he’s hopeless. He will however be very grateful and publicly thank you and reward you for helping him because you were one of a handful of people that believed in him when he was still at the bottom.
Are yall going to take the easy road or the hard road?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I think @wissoxfan83 does the 2nd choice for a living.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Does the one that makes straight A’s become a successful businessperson and make 6 or 7 figures per year - and does the D’s and F’s student live under a bridge and sell plasma to buy meth?
That will determine with road I take.
Just messin…
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@nuleafjhawk my kids don’t like the helmets either, they want KU on them.
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@Crimsonorblue22 You have brought your children up well.
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Right on about Snyder. I’m not fond of the purple kittens but I have the utmost respect for Snyder and what he did.
Put that on our “KU Football Bucket List” - Hire the next Snyder! Get the one that knows it isn’t just about recruiting a few star kids or running a fancy play here and there. It is about changing the tone; get administration, fans and supporters on board; make all kinds of positive changes that separate your current program from the past program… etc. etc. etc.
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@drgnslayr said:
Put that on our “KU Football Bucket List” - Hire the next Snyder! Get the one that knows it isn’t just about recruiting a few star kids or running a fancy play here and there. It is about changing the tone; get administration, fans and supporters on board; make all kinds of positive changes that separate your current program from the past program… etc. etc. etc.
Beaty is doing that now. He’s targeting players who fit the air raid offense and players who cand defend the spread on defense. Beaty already has a kid committed in 2017 class, when was the last time KU had a commitment in football that far in advance?
As far as fan involvement, attendance actually went up for the Memphis game from the SDSU game. Beaty also visited alumns outside of the state this summer which is not something Gill or Weis ever did. Beaty visited Houston, Dallas, Denver, Chicago, and I think another couple of cities that have strong alumni numbers to share his vision for KU football. This is Beaty’s 3rd tenure at KU, this is a man that genuinely cares about KU to keep coming back and is doing everything in his power to turn KU football around and won’t bail just because a better job comes available. Charlie Weis absolutely gutted this program and Beaty’s job will not bear much fruit on the field until year 3 at the earliest (4 or 5 years in reality) when the roster numbers start getting back to FBS numbers and the majority of players on the field were receuited specifically for Beaty’s system.
You want the next Bill Snyder at KU, just remember that Snyder won 1 game his first year at KSU and had a losing season 3 of his first 4 years in Manhattan. Even Snyder did not turn around KSU overnight, it took him until year 5 when the roster was completely his players for that hire finally payoff. KU could’ve hired Nick Saban last year and it would still take him 4-5 years to turn KU around.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 great pts! I heard the alum would not let SZ find a coach! Not sure how it works, but I believe it!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Very well said. But the last sentence - “Nick Saban” or anyone like him would never take a job here in the first place. That’s one of our problems.
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@nuleafjhawk Sad but true. KU Basketball is a once in a life time job, a destination job. Bluest of the blue blood programs. KU Football? Tragically the opposite. Im not a football fan but I would like to see KU Football climb the ranks. Easier said than done.
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@nuleafjhawk Then you completely missed the point of me saying that. People here are way too damn impatient when it comes to rebuilding a football program that’s a perennial door mat. My point was that even someone who is considered one of the top coaches in the profession (is there anybody who doesn’t think Saban is one of the best?) wouldn’t be able to make KU a winner overnight given the current state of the program and that’s my point. David Beaty isn’t going to turn around Kansas football overnight because not even the greatest coach alive today could do that. David Beaty has laid out his plan for Kansas football and is recruiting and making personnel decisions (both players and coaches) to fulfill that plan. He needs the full 5 years to wipe Charlie’s impact from the program and all firing Beaty before 5 years is up is going to do is reset the clock on the turnaround hopes unless a coach who runs the same system is brought which historically doesn’t happen.
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@Lulufulu said: Im not a football fan but I would like to see KU Football climb the ranks. Easier said than done.
I’ll tell you way to make that happen quicker. START SUPPORTING THE TEAM! If you’re a Williams Fund donor, ear mark that donation for the football program. Help them raise the money needed to renovate Memorial. Buy season tickets even if you don’t go to the game so that KU football can still get money. If you live in the area, go to the games and show people that KU football is worth investing in. Lastly, if you truly care about KU basketball, then support the football program because the football program is going to have much more say in what conference KU ends up playing in during the next round of expansion/realignment. Do you want KU to stay in the Big 12 or possibly move to the Big 10 or do want to see KU basketball relegated to the AAC or some other league because none of the major conferences wanted KU basketball enough to admit them because of the state of the football program?
Me championing this right now isn’t me saying blindly support the program no matter what they do because then there’s no motivation for change. If you go to games and want something changed, make a sign that shows your displeasure with something and get attention that way. Donate money and ear mark for what cause you want and demand the KUAC show you exactly where those dollars were spent to keep them accountable for their spending.
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Thanks… for keeping it positive!
I like the info you provided on Beaty. It gave us some hope that he isn’t just another coach in Lawrence there for a paycheck.
If he is the future Snyder, do you see him sticking it out in Lawrence for a few decades? You know… it will probably take that kind of commitment to really turn the program around. Much of the benefit he can help us with won’t be available for many years… when we have established prolonged stability in the program.
When was the last time we could connect the phrase “prolonged stability” with Kansas football?
Wouldn’t that be something!
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@drgnslayr I think that’s exactly why the picked him and kept Bowen.
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@drgnslayr There’s not an immediate school that jumps out as one Beaty would voluntarily leave KU for. His alma mater is D2 Lindenwood and the only D1 program he has connections to that would be a step up from KU is Texas A&M. If he’s done a good enough job at KU to where he’s a serious candidate at Texas A&M someday, I won’t complain because that means he’ll have KU football in a good place. Considering that Beaty is in his 3rd tour of duty at KU, I don’t think there’s much of a chance of him leaving for the first job that comes his way.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 And you completely missed my point that Nick Saban (or whomever) would not come here because they KNOW they can’t turn around a program like this overnight and they are not going to wait five, six, ten, twenty years trying to bring us up out of the miry clay, ruining their reputation in the process.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Yes…?
