Do we really want Zim?
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Alright, you got me with the hottest woman analogy.
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Just once I would like to see Self recruit the hell out one of these full of it types and then after the stupid hat trick ceremony where he picks KU, then Self holds a press conference and Self says, āThe players and I have talked it over and weāve decided the guy just doesnāt have a pair. All our guys try really hard and, well, its nothing personal, but we would rather play with someone that does, too.ā
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@jaybate-1.0 he kinda did, not playing Cliff for a long time, even w/all the fans complaining.
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Iāve been thinking about this post since @JhawkAlum asked the question this morning.
I say YES, we want him.
The super nice fellows weāve been getting the past few years have netted us 9, 10 losses per year and no deep runs into the tournament. Hardly any runs into the second weekend.
Maybe itās time for a D-1 D-bag. If thatās really what he is.
Maybe itās time we recruit nasty, play nasty.
Aww - Iām just foolin.
#?
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@nuleafjhawk This kid is not the second coming of Darnell Jackson by any stretchā¦ His mom is quite the twitter hit if that tells you anything (@Stevezimmsmom or something like that). Iāve met a million kids like him. Heās not the āD-1 D-bagā weāre looking for. Heās an upper class turd. Thon Maker on the other hand reminds me of the Monstars from Space Jam. That dude is flat out meanā¦ Given our situation where we can only get these top guys, give me Maker or Diello. Brown is a nice addition, but either of those big guys makes a big difference.
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@MoonwalkMafia Lol - I donāt know anything about him at all, but I literally laughed out loud at the " upper class turd ". Ok, if everyone says we donāt want him, we donāt want him.
We all wanted Selby though didnāt weā¦ Crap.
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@nuleafjhawk Iāve never heard upper or lower class turd. Iām guessing itās better to be a lower class turd?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I guess itās all in the perspective !
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@JhawkAlum Amen. Go work the Euro wires, and the juco farms, and get some tough S.O.B. thatās willing to die for the chance to play for KU. Iām seriousā¦I want some tough guys that are absolutely amazed at the opportunity to get on floor at the Phog. I donāt want distracted players dutifully fulfilling their one year college sentence. I want a guy that wants to win every game- that has the moxie to will wins. Because he plays for KU. Because heās going to win.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Well, upper class deuces donāt stink, while lower class deuces are just awful, skunk-died-down-there situationsā¦
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Zimmerman is Kaleb Tarczweski v.2: SOFT Kaleb did NOT want to bust his ass for Self & Hudy, and he looked more lost than a blonde in AZās Tourney loss. Thatās what soft gets, and I bet Kaleb is not lotto list material. Man, Iāll take a Withey before I take Zimmerman.
Now, why cant we do the 5 by committee? I have seen no reason that Hunter Mickelson cannot exceed Witheyās statline, if given 25mpg, and he seems to have a midrange jumper he keeps trying to show us. Let the kid play. Let he + Lucas + Bragg battle it out for mpg.
And its not as simple as saying next season with the same bigs will be a repeat of this season. Bragg is thrown in, and just his presence will push the older players. Especially having one of those āheadband-athletesā, KY/Baylor type of athletic bigsā¦
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If Self wants to get back to his dominating paint presence type of play, then get such bodies in here, that have the matching mindset. Maybe he can light a fire under that 6ā11, 270lb Thorne kid? Who knows.
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@drgnslayr I must respectfully disagree. While I do think that Kansas is an unapologetically nice place to live, Wichita is a dirty scuzzy town.
If you want VD go to Wichita. If you want a good time go to Lawrenceā¦
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I decided to risk it @HighEliteMajor and went for the hottest wife available and got a great woman at the same time! We celebrate 25 years this summer which is better than some 11 year conference winning streak.
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@dylans Iām planning on a trip there this week, now Iām scared!
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Visit the āKeeper of the Plainsāā¦ hopefully heāll still be dancing above two bodies of waterā¦ if there is any water there.
Maybe Wichita isnāt your cup of teaā¦ so I take it you donāt live there? Iām sayingā¦ for people that live thereā¦ if they donāt like it or feel they should apologize for their town, they should move on. Wichita isnāt going to be for everyone, just like NYC isnāt. No one has to live in a place they hate (in this country). That was my main point.
Iāve always loved Lawrence. But I probably wouldnāt live there again today. Too many people (for a ātownā ) and too expensive. I still love the place.
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@drgnslayr I go over there pretty often, mostly the west side. The zoo is awesome! They also have chic fillet!
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@wissoxfan83 said:
hottest wife available
(italics added)
Haha - dude - that could get you in a whole lotta trouble !
Your real name isnāt Phil Miller is it ?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Nothing wrong with Wichita. You shouldāve seen how big my eyes got as a kid going there. My first visit to McDonalds. My first visit to Wendys. Hey, it was the big city for meā¦
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@KUSTEVE it still is to me!
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@drgnslayr No I live in a small town in SW Kansas.
@KUSTEVE I have had the worst experience of my life in Wichita. Iāll never get back what was lost and for that Iāll never forgive the Police/ DAās complete lack of giving a sh** for a human life. Quantrill burned down the wrong town in the wrong century.
@Crimsonorblue22 Youāll be Ok. You obviously have a good head on your shoulders. Have fun on your trip.
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One bad experience should not biased you against an entire city. I am sure most if not all of us have had bad experiences in different towns/cities all over and yet we donāt hold it against the small cities. At one time (maybe this is till the case), every small town in Kansas used to be a speed trap with speed signs a the edge of towns conveniently placed behind trees or tall bushes and before you know you had flashing lights behind you; St. Maryās between Topeka and Manhattan was know for thisā¦a bad experience every time and yet I do not hold a broke Police Department against the towns themselves. The KC metro area seems to be in most every list as one the best cities to live and work and yet I would not even drive on the East side/inner KC MO after dark and the reputation of the entire Metro area is based in great part to the Kansas side of the area. Likewise, Wichita, like every other city, has its bad side but overall it is a pretty decent city.
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@dylans so sorry to hear your sad news!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Thank you.
@JayHawkFanToo I am truly glad that you have no idea. Speeding tickets are an officer doing his job I have a few and I donāt hate the cop or city. This isnāt the place, but it youād like me to explain how an experience can gilt you on an entire town we can have a private chat sometime.
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@dylans maybe you can share w/all of us?
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You donāt need to explain your particular situation. Bad experiences can go from mere inconveniences to major events, but again one bad experience even a major one should not paint the entire town in a negative light. Yes, I get it that you had a seriously bad experience but that alone does not make the whole town bad, right?..again, I get it, maybe they have lousy Police Department and the DAs are incompetent but that in and of itself does not make the entire town bad., right?
By the way, I have no problem with speeding tickets. I do have problem with āspeed trapsā where one minute you are driving on state route at the legal speed limit only to be stopped by a Police office that informs that you supposedly missed the city limit and lower speed sign, fully hidden behind trees and bushes and you get a hefty fine that they know you will pay because you are not likely to drive back a few hundred miles just to contest the obviously illegal citation.
Again, I am not trying to make light of your bad experience, I am simply saying that maybe you should consider that literally hundreds of thousand of people, including myself, have been to Wichita and did not have the bad experience you had; in fact, it was quite the opposite. Just my opinion and obviously we respectfully agree to disagree.
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@JayHawkFanToo Ignorance is bliss.
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Got it, only your own opinion and experiences count. I politely gave you my view on the subject, I am sorry that you could not do likewise. My last post in the subject.
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Ah, @JayHawkFanToo is back. It was amazing how nice things have been around here the last few weeks. Smooth, respectful conversations. But it changes. @dylans obviously had a very difficult personal experience, but you have to tell him why he shouldnāt think that way. Iām surprised you didnāt post a link showing Wichita to be one of the top 20 places to live. That surely would have convinced him that his unfortunate personal experience shouldnāt color his view of the town.
How hard is this? @dylans tried to stop the conversation, said heād chat privately with you. And you then posted another three paragraphs telling everyone again what you are āsimply saying.ā
Then you come back again with the tired old ālast post on the subject.ā How many other folks here ever really have to go there?
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Back to Zimmerman, wasnāt it his mom who declared that her son would not sign the standard Div. 1 scholarship contract, a la Kentuckyās ex-Brandon Knight?
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yes it will be interesting to see if that holds true this month or whenever he decides to spend one year of the least resistance in college.
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I want 2nd year Alexander, Senior Ellis, and Bragg. If that works out for KU then we would have a pretty Skilled Front court with 3 really good backups. Everyone is already pretty happy with our guards. I guess the NCAA will keep us in limbo right up to the deadline.
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There is a distinct difference believe it or not.
Upper class turds think they are hot s#@t on a golden platter, when in reality they are nothing more than a cold turd on a paper plate.
Lower class turds are like the Cal & the UK players who refused handshakes & shot off the mouth cannons at the presser following the loss to Wisconsin-their vantage point is so low they think whale shit is shooting stars.
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āI want 2nd year Alexander, Senior Ellis, and Bragg.ā
You knowā¦ no matter what they determine on Cliff nowā¦ they can always go backwards later and vacate our season next year when we play him. If he is cleared, it can be revoked if evidence comes in the future.
Cliff will always be a huge risk. He needs to leave Lawrence.
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Very true,
We will need to know from the NCAA or Cliff will take it into his own hands by declaring. Either way he has until when? April 12th or April 26th to declare, or withdraw and return.
Can someone explain the underclassmen rules?
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@drgnslayr I tend to agree on Cliff. As much as I would like to see him back I think that this situation leaves KU no choice but to let him leave. Just in case something comes back to haunt us down the road.
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@drgnslayr could the NCAA really take away our wins if they cleared him themselves?
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Of course they can, and they WILL especially if anyone involved was found to purposely hide evidence. This is 100% truth!
I really like the big guyā¦ but we should punt. Too high of risk, and completely not fair to put our existing team at risk, the university and all the fans.
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@drgnslayr If the NCAA clears Cliff after all of this time, I donāt think that they would want to dig much deeper. The NCAA can do anything they want and donāt appear to be bothered by looking stupid. On the other hand this is different that the Rose situation with Memphis. In that case they supposedly got later information that got them to take another look and declare him ineligible and thus vacate Memphis wins. In this case after the initial clearance they got information that caused them raise questions and KU sat Cliff. To come back again after explicit clearance would demonstrate that the current investigation was screwed up and they look really bad.
Better to let sleeping dogs lie.
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Your example of Rose is exactly what Iām talking about. And if evidence comes up later, even if they have already dug into this case before, Kansas will be toast. Memphisā¦ toastā¦ Kansasā¦ toast.
It isnāt about looking bad. And if real evidence pops up later (and it always can) then if the NCAA doesnāt act on it they look a lot worse! Cliff being cleared is no different than any other player cleared. It can always be overturned and it is very unlikely those games will count, especially if the school knew there were potential issues. Kansas knows there are potential issues. We canāt say next year we werenāt warned. The NCAA just didnāt have enough evidence to keep Cliff ineligible.
This is a no brainer. Cliff should be done at Kansas. If there was no wrong doing and nothing hidden, he would have been cleared for March Madness. The risk moving forward is on Kansas. Play him and risk everything. I will even agree with that and accept the season being vacated because we should have known better!
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What is it about me that bugs you so much? Is it the fact that I donāt take your word as the second coming of John Wooden?
I simply expressed my own personal opinion in relation to the City of Wichita as a whole, nothing else. You donāt know what I know or donāt know about @dylansā situation, you donāt know if I messaged @dylans privately and more importantly, you donāt know what is in my heartā¦and yet you pass judgement anyway; what do they call that? The pot calling the kettle blackā¦
I stayed away from the Forum for a couple of week precisely to avoid reading the criticism of Coach Self which was sure to follow and of which you are the leading championā¦frankly, it is boring. If you donāt like my postsā¦donāt read them, itās that simple.
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If I understand correctly, the NCAA can punish KU if they can prove that it was aware of the situation and let Alexander play anyway. From what I read, KU was as surprised as the rest of us and as soon as it was notified it sat Alexander. At this time and based on what I have read, I believe KU is in the clearā¦but then, I have no access to any inside information, only what is openly available.
