Debate topic for the day: Should Bad Shooting Teams Shoot the Trey Even More than Good Shooting Teams?

  • Reading about Huggins characterizing his team as not a very good shooting team made me as the question in the title to the is post.

    I don’t have time right now to formalize my hunch and work through it, but I suspect that the 3>2 formula is so powerful that shooting tons of treys would be the best way to overcome bad shooters, rather than the worst way, especially if you have any weakness in the paint, too.

    5,4,3,2,1 Go…

  • @jaybate-1.0 just under 12 hours til game time. If KU can break the press and traps consistently and have an average night shooting from trey? Theyre gonna beat up on those backwoods mountaineers.

  • I’d say if you’re a bad shooting team you better learn how to rebound and especially how to play defense.

  • There’s a break even point with three point shooting. At some point, being a poor shooting team taking threes is like turning the ball over unless you are also a strong offensive rebounding team.

    I think 35% is roughly where the diminishing returns start, and 30% is where it gets ugly. You just can’t give away possessions if you are a poor shooting team. You have to get inside, draw fouls, do something to get points.

    If you have poor shooters, you have to be selective, but you can’t put up a ton of threes hoping you can offset the low percentage with pure volume. I don’t think the math would work.

  • @jaybate-1.0

    I’m thinking WVU needs to make every basket they can, so they can set up their press. 2-pt baskets are (statistically) easier to make than 3s (unless it is KU).

    But… if WVU would shoot quick 3s every time down the court, they might be able to speed up both sides of the ball. Something which is part of their plan. Their press is only half about making steals… the other half is to take teams out of their offense by speeding them up.

    The only hope WVU has of beating us tonight is to speed us up. You want to talk about “fool’s gold”… Huggy wants teams to beat him some off the press and score a few easy baskets early in the game. It sticks a carrot out there for them to keep attacking his press. His goal then is to hunker down later in the game and not give up the easy bunnies off the break. Then the other team has to suddenly find their half court offense half way through the game, when WVU is still running half court traps, too.

    Beating WVU is all about maintaining poise. Something that could be in question with this young Jayhawk team.

  • They also press off missed baskets, out of bounds plays (not under the hoop). That is something KU has not seen, we usually get a rebound and quickly find Mason or whoever is there. This could really disrupt our flow as is pointed out. Oklahoma St. disrupted flow and made us a half court team but their defense is much better than West Virginia’s if you break the press. We will have to be smart with the ball and have everyone focused on where to be and where passes should go. It’s inevitable that we will have some plays tonight that will baffle us Fans.

  • @BeddieKU23 bad thing, coach said after the ISU game, they went over the press break, then next game osu hurt us w/press! A lil scared !!

  • @Crimsonorblue22

    I agree it is troubling to know that. The press break from Oklahoma St was much different then we will see tonight. I think some of the guys were surprised Ford went to the press. The Oklahoma St press forced half court offense which completely fell apart for us. We missed shot after shot and FT’s… Pretty easy to lose like we did when the ball doesn’t go in the hoop.

    West Virginia wants to speed you up, and for the most part I think our kids do well when the pace gets faster. Cliff gives us the opportunity to get lobs on the backend once we push the ball. The key is Frank Mason pushing the action or whoever gets the ball past half court. Attack them right from it because more often than not they are just hacking someone with 3 guys committed.

  • @BeddieKU23 correction, osu players wanted to press, ford was afraid cause of foul trouble and not much bench!! No credit to ford!!! All in fun!

  • OK here is the offense plan. Post Greene at the 3 point line, break the press with a pass to a wide open Greene…Kaching!!! Greene goes 10 of 12 from 3. Just kidding…or am I?

  • @JayHawkFanToo

    Maybe not. Artillery is crucial to shaping a high mobility battle field from afar.

  • @BeddieKU23

    If they give you speed, you take it.

  • @jaybate-1.0

    Did you say artillery? I will take this Paladin M109A6 self propelled Howitzer…most advance mobile artillery system in the world.


  • This baby tends to make anything mobile into scrap – A-10 Warthog. Do we have a Gatling gun on this team?

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  • @JayHawkFanToo

    Quick we need to no bid a bunch of those Wayne and BG!!!

  • @HighEliteMajor

    Frank most Definitely is our A-10. He can take a lotta hits and keep raining hell fire!!!

  • @HighEliteMajor

    Very familiar with that aircraft. The Warthog is one of the coolest and weirdest looking attack planes but now too slow for modern anti-aircraft artillery and it is being phased out. The pilot sits inside a titanium tub to protect him from ground fire and it is ideal to blow up older tanks and the 30mm rotary cannon with armor busting uranium piercing shells under the cockpit is impressive (and scary) and it is the biggest gun ever mounted on a attack plane. I have actually sat inside the cockpit of the only two-seat version of the A-10 ever build that is stationed at Edwards Air Force Base, although is no longer operational.

    One of these days I will have to post a link to a gallery with picture of all the planes (including prototypes I have seen through my work over the last 25 years with the Air Force and NASA…

    My favorite looking aircraft is still the old P-51 Mustang…I flew in one so I am probably biased…

  • @JayHawkFanToo

    I read somewhere that some A-10s are being converted to drones and so will fly on. The story said some will be used for flying into storms for atmospheric weather research, and some reputedly for things like border work. Maybe they will put drone tankers aloft and just keep the A-10s flying 24/7 for the next 50 years. Probably won’t even need maintenance. 🙂 Kind of like Mercedes Benz 300TD wagons being the last things still running in Lebanon back in the day. Fairchild made one tough flying machine.

  • @jaybate-1.0

    I would think the A-10s are too heavy and awkward to become drones, they also lack the fly by wire capability needed and would require a lot of modifications and they are not the easiest plane to fly ( or so I am told) so controlling them remotely would be even harder. There are only about 50+ A-10s left in service so they will probably be scrapped, used by the National Guard as trainers, send as military aid to some allied country or sold to collectors like a lot of the older fighters are.

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