Meltdown 3.0
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Okay… if it wasn’t enough to blow the WVU home opener… we then proceeded to choke on Houston at home. Meltdown 1 and 2.
Okay… if that wasn’t enough… we blow a 21-point lead at Baylor, a team decimated with injuries and horrible play this year.
How do we do it? How do we blow leads? How do we manage to play solid one minute, then the next minute look incapable of beating an under-6-foot team?
We’ve all vented our frustrations already. Self… blah blah blah!
At this point, I think we need to adjust our perspective. For one thing, by now, I think we’ve all adjusted our expectations, but I’m about to go behind that.
Is this just about our guys playing great one moment, then completely sucking the next moment?
Seems like some of us want to put all the blame on our guys instead of giving some credit to our opponents. Is that fair?
Sports are not about being fair. Period. Sometimes, teams go cold, and others are hot. And it isn’t just about attitude, preparedness, or game coaching. That answer doesn’t help you if you have your pitchfork out and feel like jabbing Self right now… or a player or two. Sports will always have some level of randomness. That’s a big reason why we play the game.
I’m not letting our guys off this easy! Get out the BBQ sauce and prepare to eat!
Players also have to take responsibility for the outcome of a game. “Going cold” should not be enough of an excuse to blow a 21-point lead. Several things had to happen to lose a deficit like that.
Look at our remaining schedule. I can see us going 5-5. Is a 21-11 record good enough to guarantee a tournament selection or must we prove our worth in the B12 tourney?
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Ya , not worried about making tourney. If we ended with a 21-11 record we would be in still, taking into consideration of our schedule Duke , N Carolina , Michigan St, Houston , Iowa St -wouldn’t mean we would get past our first game - -no not first weekend- -our first game. I could see us as a seven seed even maybe an eight,- this team is pitiful
Plenty of blame for every one. You have a Coach who I think has lost it, lost this team a lot because of his favoritism -He is going to play those three no matte how bad they play. WHY ? - -because he says he TRUSTS them the most, TRUSTS them for what? – to Screw the Pooch- - CHECK.
I think his actions this Season has cost him probably our MVP on this roster going forward-- that being Flory, I sincerely do not think he will be back NOW. When we first started the Season yes I thought he would be but now- - - -NOPE can’t see it, you can see how the way Flory was progressing, growing, learning, but he sure the hell can’t grow when you got a Coach who has his ass plastered on the bench almost if not the entire second half. Was Bill afraid Flory would screw things up even worse then they were ? -No , that wasn’t it , he cemented Flory’s ass in the second half because Coach had the players on the floor that he TRUSTED the most.
Moving on from Bill – then you have players that wanna pout have attitudes because they think they need to be playing more, even though in the limited times they have seen the floor it turns into a Barnimen"s Bailey Circus - -a total cluster F - - -. but yet they think they need to be on the floor
Fair ? - - Fair ? - Life is not fair .it’s a cold hard world out there and if you don’t watch it will chew up and spit you out.-- -if they think the truth/critism is not fair and it hurts their feelings then I don’t know what to tell them, maybe how about stand up and act like you got a pair.
That’s a lot of the problem , we keep making up excuses as to why this happened or why that happened and it’s time to quit trying to cover their screwups-- could be they just play lousy a lot of times I mean at the basic things of Basket ball 101, dribbling the ball , just simply making ridiculous passing , not being able to get positioning for rebounds , no defending, do the ol classic - Ol-Lay defense - there are so many things.
For this to be the most experienced team in all of College Basketball-- - Why can’t we see it ?- -Why can’t they show it ? - -Where is the Leadership on this team ? – Where is the Dog on this team ? - -WHY ? - Because we have no Dog.
Have we seen one complete game from this team this year ?- -maybe possibly other then the UCF game at their place and not real sure that was a complete game.- No lead is safe with this team-- -TWENTY ONE POINT and you can’t close ? Come on , what does that say about this team ? – Houston down six with what seventeen seconds to end and you can’t close ?
Sorry just really frustrated and it boiled over after last night, yet yes we can still make the tourney even with a twenty one and eleven but that’s it. We are sure not doing squat in the tourney unless things change drastically soon , like as in yesterday. - Really tired of hearing well- - These guys are still trying to find an identity --who the hell hid it and where is it ? - -Jamica ? - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG
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@drgnslayr said in Meltdown 3.0:
Okay… if it wasn’t enough to blow the WVU home opener… we then proceeded to choke on Houston at home. Meltdown 1 and 2.
Okay… if that wasn’t enough… we blow a 21-point lead at Baylor, a team decimated with injuries and horrible play this year.
How do we do it? How do we blow leads? How do we manage to play solid one minute, then the next minute look incapable of beating an under-6-foot team?
We’ve all vented our frustrations already. Self… blah blah blah!
At this point, I think we need to adjust our perspective. For one thing, by now, I think we’ve all adjusted our expectations, but I’m about to go behind that.
Is this just about our guys playing great one moment, then completely sucking the next moment?
Seems like some of us want to put all the blame on our guys instead of giving some credit to our opponents. Is that fair?
Sports are not about being fair. Period. Sometimes, teams go cold, and others are hot. And it isn’t just about attitude, preparedness, or game coaching. That answer doesn’t help you if you have your pitchfork out and feel like jabbing Self right now… or a player or two. Sports will always have some level of randomness. That’s a big reason why we play the game.
I’m not letting our guys off this easy! Get out the BBQ sauce and prepare to eat!
Players also have to take responsibility for the outcome of a game. “Going cold” should not be enough of an excuse to blow a 21-point lead. Several things had to happen to lose a deficit like that.
Look at our remaining schedule. I can see us going 5-5. Is a 21-11 record good enough to guarantee a tournament selection or must we prove our worth in the B12 tourney?
KU will be in the tournament. This might finally be the beat that KU isn’t a top 4 seed under Self though
In the eyes of the selection committee, KU doesn’t have a “bad” loss with all of the teams KU has lost to being teams currently in the field. The Big 12 could end up with anywhere from 5-10 teams in the tournament with ISU, Houston, Kansas, Texas Tech, and Arizona pretty much being locks and WVU, Baylor, UCF, Arizona St., and BYU being bubble teams right now.
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I think the trouble with this team starts with coaching and effort. Watch that WV game and with a straight face say they didn’t come in there and out hustle us in every way possible. The Houston game was just lack of coaching and situational awareness from the oldest team in CBB this season. Baylor I put a 100% of that loss on Self. Build a 21 point lead with a group of guys that are playing well together…… set 2 or 3 of those guys on the bench for most of the second half. As I said on the game thread, they had guys with 4 fouls. Think maybe we could go at them guys and try to get them out of the game? Nope no in the slightest. I’ve been involved with basketball in some light for over 30 years (playing, coaching and officiating) and up until this year or last I would’ve said Self has forgotten more about the game than I’ll ever know. Now I honestly worry if something is going on health wise with him. The stuff that gets done is laughable from a basketball IQ standpoint. Just like him trying 3 bigs against UCF. Anyone with basketball knowledge could’ve told you that wouldn’t work in that game as I did in the game chat. I know I’m a negative asshole but most of what I’ve said the last two years has came into fruition. I’m seriously worried about Selfs mental health at this point.
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In some ways, I consider Bill a distant friend. We’ve met many times throughout the years and talk basketball. Surely he could pick me out of a police lineup and he’d tell them I’m okay. lol
I do have to say the past couple of years have been different. I’ve never given him high marks in some areas of basketball… like… his lack of ability to get his guys fired up before a game, or during a game. But now, I feel lost on some of the moves with this team.
I guess I should have expected this… KJ feels better then immediately replaces most of Flory’s minutes. Seems like Flory gets punished for going out there and hustling.
I do think the minutes distribution on this team is a problem. Seniority is preferred over firepower. This was the perfect opportunity to put KJ in his place… as a sparkplug off the bench! It’s a role he is built for! Not a 31+ minute player.
AJ deserves more minutes, too. He is starting to produce, somewhat. Instead of building a penal institution team, how about we reward progress, instead of just punish mistakes?
I’m at least happy Rylan is getting more minutes. And he is the answer to our perimeter shooting. His defense is so-so, but make sure and set him up on offense to counter anything bad he does on defense.
In that Baylor game… Hunter should have scored 50 points. He was unstoppable in the low paint and they didn’t know how to keep him out of there. Why wouldn’t we take those gifts every single possession?
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@drgnslayr very solid points my friend, I said this earlier before KJ returned. Please don’t put him back in for 25-30 minutes
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@kjayhawks but uh uh did you see us out there??? Dog gone if kj hadn’t been out there they’d put up 90 instead of 60 in that half. You clearly saw those games kj was out because we couldn’t defend like at all guys! I mean did you uh uh see him filling it up with 3 huge buckets for the entire game!!! No way I can sit a guy like that he’s Ochai 2.0 guys uh uh I mean come on!
This program has a 1 and 4 problem. The issue is the coach never recruited over them because he thought they are great players. Turns out all the couch potatoes with minimal basketball knowledge can correctly identify talent compared to dolla bill.
What’s worse is he continues to defend them to the death that they are wonderful players and the reason we win so much (sarcasm as dolla bill clearly hasn’t looked at our record these last two years doing his most losing ever)
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I’m 100% on board with wanting dolla bill gone
He will start Elmarko, coit and dp next year over a stud pg and pf transfers we pull because “they aren’t getting it” in practice
He constantly played lesser talent to the detriment of the program while racking up wins in the WAC 12 with the best home court in any sport to face plant year of year
We have to be rated #1 in the preseason a ton compared to titles delivered (both took serious free throw miracles and injury bug for our path to open up)
Bill sucks and honestly he needs to retire before he completely efff’s up next year. When he does though at least all of KU will be on board begging him to retire
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@kuballin10 I was telling my dad (who’s lived in Austin, TX in for the past 40 years) about the displeasure of KU fans with Bill Self.
He said "send the sonofabitch down here. We could stand to win a few Conference and National Championships.
There’s probably a lot of teams that feel that way. Coaches need to coach, but players need to play too.
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@nuleafjhawk He went out and hand picked his roster 2 years in a row and it is a complete disaster because he can’t fit the pieces
I’d send him down there to Texas real quick and watch him struggle just like Cal is doing
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@nuleafjhawk somebody asked CB which players he’d play and he said the ones that play for the name on the front on their jerseys.
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@nuleafjhawk he ain’t doing neither up here anytime soon so go right on ahead
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@nuleafjhawk Your dad’s a wise man.
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@kjayhawks I bet Bill Self wins a conference title sometime soon.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Well that leaves Storr out then for sure
