All of a Sudden
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@nuleafjhawk said in All of a Sudden:
@wissox In my mind, Harris didn’t play into the equation at all. It’s about why does America want to elect a degenerate, perverted convicted criminal? What makes that right? How does that reflect on us?
Until this morning, I naively believed that there was more good than evil in this country. I was wrong.
Not sure if it became clear in my response but I agree. I can’t fathom why someone would vote for a convict. As an evangelical I’m really chagrined that the same people who railed on Clinton 25 years ago for his philandering would rally behind Trump. There’s no Trump presidency without the Evangelicals which is mind boggling.
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BTW, They’re not illegals. They’re people looking for relief from the most horrible of situations and a nation full of descendants of Europeans who did the same from the 1600’s to the 1900’s have the gall to tell other migrants to this land they’re not welcome. There, rant over!
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I told myself I wouldnt bag on Kamala but its hard. She should have never been the candidate. Lots of people to blame for that.
How exceedingly rare are true heroes and villains?
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The Dems got belt to ass this cycle. Changes are needed.
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@wissox so… whats mind blowing is that hispanics went +9 biden in 2020 and +6 Trump in 2024. Democrats really f’d that one up.
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Also, the point being its not just Europeans who came over in 1600-1900.
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@approxinfinity said in All of a Sudden:
@wissox so… whats mind blowing is that hispanics went +9 biden in 2020 and +6 Trump in 2024. Democrats really f’d they one up.
I have a lot of thoughts about this election but the Hispanic shift is huge. I’m guessing Arabs swung MI. Will probably post more later but need to take my brother to the hospital to get a port put in for chemo.
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@BShark good luck man.
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@BShark Prayers for your brother. That kind of puts things in perspective.
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If anyone is looking for one of the nicest thing they can do for someone in their lives going through traumatic/serious medical issues, may I suggest offering to call insurance/hospital/billing etc. on their behalf to argue one of the many things insurance will reject, or even approve but you still get a wrong bill anyway, etc. Sitting on hold for half an hour for someone to get a $8,000 bill just erased can be a pretty good way to show you care! Most places will talk to someone who is not the patient if you just get the patient to agree to let you speak on their behalf.
Food is always great to…
Good luck to you and your bro @BShark.
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@benshawks08 he doesn’t have insurance but I am actually handling all that stuff in general for him as he is autistic. I got the ball rolling on leave of absence from his job, medicaid etc
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And thanks everyone for reaching out
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A minor election observation based on the demographic at our development-wide yard sale that was open to the surrounding community this past Saturday… I think if Trump carries out his mass deportation of up to 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants, our future yard sales will be toast.
As to the direction of the country, I am speechless.
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@wissox nearly 50% of Hispanics voted for Trump according to the news. I think people forget there is a big difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration. No one is against immigration that was never an argument, it was invented by main stream media. I have a co-worker I hired a few years back from Mexico, his family migrated when he was 8 and I’m proud to say he gained citizenship of this country. He hates illegals more than anyone I know, he says it gives his family a bad name. He claims it’s not that difficult to do things the right way. I enjoy having him work for us and he does stuff the right way everyday. I’ll add it’s punishable by death in several countries to enter illegally especially in Africa and the Middle East. I don’t know what it’s like to travel that path but I’ll easily take the words someone I know and trust on the matter.
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@BShark said in All of a Sudden:
@benshawks08 he doesn’t have insurance but I am actually handling all that stuff in general for him as he is autistic. I got the ball rolling on leave of absence from his job, medicaid etc
Good luck with all of that. Don’t forget to take care of yourself through all of this.
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@mayjay Get your house re-roofed now.
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@BShark you’re a good brother!
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@benshawks08 sports helps lol
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@Crimsonorblue22 I like to think I do what anyone else would in my situation but thanks
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@BShark yikes I hate to hear that buddy @benshawks08 id love to do that if I had any money, great way to help. I got to middle class and then they taxed the hell out of us so it’s like lower class now lol
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@kjayhawks said in All of a Sudden:
@BShark yikes I hate to hear that buddy @benshawks08 id love to do that if I had any money, great way to help. I got to middle class and then they taxed the hell out of us so it’s like lower class now lol
Oh, I wasn’t saying PAY the bills. The “fun” thing about our current healthcare system is that it all revolves around insurance companies making as much money as possible and paying as little as possible for any actual care. So, in my case, I’ve spent about 80 total hours on the phone in the last year either with a healthcare provider or the insurance company making sure the bills we’ve been sent are accurate and have actually had the insurance fully applied, initiating appeals when insurance denies coverage 2 months after the service had been provided, following up when bills that were under appeal went to collections even though the weren’t supposed to, resolving issues where insurance says they’ve paid but we still get a bill, or where the healthcare provider says they’ve sent it through insurance but haven’t, etc. A good hunk of that time is just waiting on hold and telling the same story over and over again until you get bumped up to someone who can actually do something about it.
But we literally got an $8000 bill that I said, uh, shouldn’t insurance pay for that, and the hospital said, yeah probably, we will re-send it to them, insurance said, no we won’t pay for that, I said why not it was necessary care, they said, oh yeah you’re right, we will pay for it, then we got the same bill again, and I did that all over again, then the bill went to collections so a fourth party entered the chat, until finally, last week, this bill from December of 2023 was finally resolved and as it turned out, we never actually were supposed to have had a bill in the first place. That was about 15 phone calls each lasting 30-90 minutes.
What I was trying to say was if you want to help someone going through serious medical stuff is to offer to take one or two of those phone calls for them. Sit on hold and retell the story over and over again until someone can actually fix it. No money necessary, just some time and patience that is often running short for those going through tough times.
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@benshawks08 Having gone through this with a relative that had insurance vs one that didn’t, honestly not having insurance has been the better experience. Of course, I’ll have to negotiate the bills…
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@BShark The individuals at all of those places are great and helpful. They all WANT to help people, but the systems are set up to make that as difficult as possible. I could see how cutting out part of that system might actually be easier if not maybe a little more expensive (when you factor in years of premiums I doubt it is).
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Digging into the numbers more today, literally every demographic group except college educated women moved toward the GOP. And maybe most interestingly, the income curve inverted. Kamala carried voters that make over $100k, Trump everyone else below. That hasn’t happened maybe ever? And that’s with D’s far outspending R’s in almost every single swing state. Seems just an organic ass kicking.
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I can see how people didn’t want to vote for Harris. Lots of valid arguments against her for sure. I will never understand how someone can look at anything Trump has said or done and in good conscience vote for him. Clearly too many people like me working for Harris. Because it did seem like the big play was, “you’re not gonna vote for that guy, right?”
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Yeah, they had to make a positive, affirmative case and promptly face planted. It was very bad juju for her to do interviews and say, actually I agree with everything Biden has done over the last 4 years, wouldn’t change a thing given the right track/wrong track number was like 70% wrong track. It was basically more of the same but with different branding and boy that was a mistake
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@approxinfinity Yeah, I heard that too. If Trump was really serious about deporting so many it’d be a huge middle finger at a population group that helped elect him.
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The good thing IMO it’s less of a wild card for Trump to be in office than Harris. Most of the country prospered under Trumps first term.
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@kjayhawks unless he gets his 20% national sales tax. That would be super super bad
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@FarmerJayhawk said in All of a Sudden:
@kjayhawks unless he gets his 20% national sales tax. That would be super super bad
Now that would piss people off (rightfully)
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@FarmerJayhawk I haven’t seen anything on that but yes as @BShark said there would be many upset
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@kjayhawks it’s very very bad https://fortune.com/2024/11/06/trump-tariffs-trade-taxes-economy/
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Question for the people that did vote for Harris, do you think it hurt that they lied about Bidens health for so long and threw her in the mix so late without her winning the democratic primary? Everyone on TV seems to be losing their minds about how bad it he American people must be, do t think that a way to sway more voters.
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@FarmerJayhawk the only thing I’ll say is all that was supposed to happen the first time and it didn’t. It’s really hard for me trust a lot of news sources these days on either side for that matter.
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@kjayhawks his tariffs last time cost me thousands per year because we started tariffing Canadian steel for some reason. This would be so, so much worse. The worst part is Congress has given the President the authority to do almost whatever he wants with tariffs. He was on Rogan saying tariff is his favorite word and the Chinese won’t retaliate if we tariff their products (they did and farmers got a government bailout because the Chinese basically banned imported soybeans from the U.S.)
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@FarmerJayhawk well I’m not going to act like I have a ton of knowledge on tariffs. I just know I wasn’t spending $300 week on groceries and all the increases on everything else.
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When I was growing up, we would have friends visit us in June who were not from the midwest. They’d come for a week and inevitably there’d be weather. We’d get a Tornado watch and they’d freak out. Tornado watch sounded scary. All they heard was “Tornado”. They didn’t realize that it just meant there were conditions that could produce a Tornado. And they’d ignore the fact that there were no storm clouds. They’d ask ‘where’s the shelter?’
And one time we were under a severe thunderstorm warning and they kind of disregarded it. And we tried to warn them… They didn’t understand that severe thunderstorms produce tornadoes at a rate higher than tornado watches. They didn’t realize that a ‘warning’ isn’t if a storm is coming — it is — the only question is when.
They learned quickly when 70mph winds blew over a huge walnut tree, lightning struck our front porch and we had walnut-sized hail for about 5 minutes.
I think a lot of people saw Harris as a tornado watch and Trump as a severe thunderstorm warning… and didn’t really get what that meant.
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@kjayhawks well yeah we didn’t have supply chains reacting after a global pandemic and let’s not forget Trump wanted $2,000 checks before the 2020 election. I firmly believe inflation wouldn’t have been much different had Trump gotten reelected. These things don’t happen instantly. Policy decisions months before affect inflation today.
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Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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@FarmerJayhawk and Trump had a role to play in the wars he promises to end.
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@approxinfinity and he will have a bigger role in the future wars. Brush up on your Chinese and Russian.
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Yes Trump was gonna start all sorts of wars that didn’t happen the first time as well. While the Biden administration had the worst military pull out in recorded history.
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I didnt answer just thumbed up earlier @kjayhawks but yes Biden stepping down after primary season was a shit show.
Harris shouldnt have been vp. Should have been someone electable and future of party.
Walz wasnt the right running made. Didnt need a next door neighbor friend. Needed a fighter.
Biden f’d up by running because the country didnt get to choose a democratic nominee and the American people didnt get to hear an agenda hardened by primary season. I dont see Biden stepping down as heroic. I see him and his camp not stepping down earlier as selfish and shortsighted.
We did not know or trust Kamala and she would probably not have been the dem candidate anyway.
We need assholes from the democrat side that speak their mind plainly and address the concerns of average Americans.
Then the dems can be apples to apples and send Trump back to wonkytown.
Nancy Pelosi was that kind of asshole.
But we dont have that now.
Just a circus train wreck.
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@approxinfinity I’m running next time. I’ll be on the dictator ballot.
My motto will be "You assholes WILL vote for me. I hate everyone but everyone will worship me. Grovel at my feet, peasants "
Wait. This sounds familiar.
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Fun way to troll Trump. Biden resigns so Kamala would actually be #47 so all the merch would be wrong.
Will never happen because Biden, Obama, and Harris all hate each other buuuut would be fun anyhow
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I dont know where to go from here. I will never be on board with Trump but I cant vote for a party that doesnt show up. I know the view seems simple from the peanut gallery but how hard is it to beat a felonious narcissistic doddering raping insurrectionist simpleton for the presidency? You have to be pretty poor at communication, planning and execution to let that happen.
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@FarmerJayhawk that would be pretty funny but thats one of weird parts. Most of them seem to hate each other. Biden’s presser idk if it was yesterday or today but he looked competent for the first time in 3 years. He didn’t stumble up the mic, act completely lost or stutter/munble 3/4s of it. It’s actually kinda creeping me out a little bit. Definitely raised a lot of eyebrows as to what is his actual health.
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Well… Trump talking about how proud Melania’s parents would be to see him win a second presidency certainly had no vindictive undertones, may they rest in … somewhere.
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Theyre all narcissists, really. Trump is just the worst of the bunch.
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@approxinfinity that’s really the issue, if they would actually put someone up that seems even remotely like a decent vote. I haven’t voted in every election but I’ve only only considered voting for Obama which I did in his first term. Hillary Clinton was a terrible idea from the get go but I actually think they may have won in 2016 had Sanders won the primary which a lot of democrats accused that of being tampered with themselves. Harris wasn’t very well know and just didn’t seem to fit the part in the slightest.
