KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread
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@BShark is he a freak athlete? If no, than forget it
Is he long? If no, than forget it
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@FarmerJayhawk Bobby sucks - we need to push him out
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@kuballin10 if he leaves it’ll be on his own accord. Gonna be a long offseason for fans who want a mass exodus.
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@FarmerJayhawk hopefully Bill does so he can have legit athletes
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@kuballin10 prepare to be disappointed. Maybe all offseason
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Chemistry is important too! Really hurts if players are just in it for themselves. Right @BShark ?
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@FarmerJayhawk that sucks than as hof’s job is to build the best roster not coddle kids who need to go to townsend
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I am not entering the portal so I’ll be back. I’m not very athletic, more round than long.
It’s funny here how people just make predictions about so and so is gone or so and so is not going anywhere. Where are you getting this info? Jalen is the only for sure it sounds like? I’ve never heard anything definitive from Gradey. I’d guess he probably is, but his 2nd half soured some and he just might be the type who sticks around for more.
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@wissox from @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk reading what they post
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@kuballin10 you might want to tune out until 24-25 then if you want a bunch of run jump athletes starting ¯_(ツ)_/¯. I would actually bet next year’s roster has fewer combine athletes than this one. The skill level should be through the roof but a combine team we are not. Arguably our two best pure athletes (Cuffe and Yes) are probably gone.
@wissox Gradey and Kevin are 100% gone. Cuffe and Cam also out the door. TBD on the others but my guess is Zach and Yesufu are gone as well.
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I don’t disagree with @kuballin10 we are lacking athleticism compared to a lot of teams. But athleticism isn’t everything in basketball. KU always has great players that’s why they are always good. I said once before on here we don’t match the athleticism of several B12 teams like TCU, Texas, KSU and Baylor notice we split with all those teams because when you don’t have that edge athletically your margin for error is much smaller. Obviously we win the league and beat those teams once. But You can’t have the mental mistakes we had today and win.
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Why are JWil and Kev definitively gone is my question? Neither has to go. Neither is ready to go. Both will play most likely overseas. I guess this part I just don’t understand other than they’ve said they are going. But… why
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@FarmerJayhawk I don’t want to be Kentucky with athletes and yet no skill there is a balance
We need long athletes. Cuffe is obviously bad, Joe isn’t 6-4 like Arkansas’ Davis
There is long and athletic plus quickness that all factor in
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@kuballin10 like Kentucky?
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@kuballin10 UK still in ATM just FYI. Lol
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@cragarhawk 5 yrs
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@cragarhawk red shirt?
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@Crimsonorblue22 covid year? Neither is out of eligibility
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4 yrs, one redshirt, j will
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@Crimsonorblue22 Jwil could stay for 2 more years if I’m not mistaken. He broke his leg and could get a medical redshirt for it and add in a Covid year(listed as a junior). Kevin could have a extra year with Covid.
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@Crimsonorblue22 read your mind huh
Bill with their talent (not this year) would have 3-5 titles heck he should have that here.
We should get the best players these next 4-7 years if Bill is here and yet Duke and uk and unc still load up…it’s pathetic
We’ve played them in champions classic and only once have we had the better athletes
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@kuballin10 if BS had UKs, Baylor’s or Texas’ rosters he’s cutting down the nets this season.
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@cragarhawk I’d assume they will make say $2-3m overseas versus say $150k-$300k here?
I may be off on numbers but I’d guess go make pro money now is more important
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@kjayhawks exactly that’s my point so get out and recruit those type of athletes
Bill changed to 4 out now needs to change who he recruits
Can’t remember who said it whether here or 247 but Self was watching some high schools studs and honed in on Tyus Jones and how he controls the game. Give me the best player and make him great not some solid guy who isn’t the best.
Juan was great today but man we lacked big shots from a remy like last year to save us during droughts. Juan hit biggest one to get us to 54 but missing free throws and boarding defensively is why we lost
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Relying on OAD talent is a recipe for Tournament disaster. In the portal era it’s better to get guys with experience. Maybe the they aren’t NBA guys exactly but they’ll win you a gazillion games. Even Cal’s title team had experience. Look at the last 15 years, not a lot of freshmen led teams won. You need veterans who know how to play together and have won.
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@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@cragarhawk I’d assume they will make say $2-3m overseas versus say $150k-$300k here?
I may be off on numbers but I’d guess go make pro money now is more important
$2 million would be a top 6 salary in Europe. $3 million would be top 3 in Europe. Unless you’re a star player, Americans playing European basketball are making 6 figures if they’re in a top league (Spain, Turkey, France, Italy, Israel) and 5 figures if you’re in a smaller league or second division in a higher paying country.
There’s a reason players hang around in G-League as long as possible because that’s better paying than Europe is for at least 95% of players where that’s an option.
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@FarmerJayhawk yeah my post is in reference to any talent whether via portal or high school
Mccullar was good I’d rather had Council and Kendric heck or any big that was halfway capable of catching a pass and making a post move (no offense to Ernest he just is a year away)
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@Texas-Hawk-10 so by that thought process Kevin should come back….
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Why are JWil and Kev definitively gone is my question? Neither has to go. Neither is ready to go. Both will play most likely overseas. I guess this part I just don’t understand other than they’ve said they are going. But… why
Wilson is a projected late 1st/early 2nd round pick. This is the highest his stock will likely. If he does sneak into the 1st round, a 1st round contract is guaranteed money for at least 2 years. Even if Wilson is pick number 30, that’s about $4.5 million guaranteed which is more than he would make in Europe in several years.
McCullar might be looking at how offensively challenged KU could be next year and thinking that would hurt his chances of landing a two-way contract with someone.
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@kuballin10 mine was too. All the champs from the last decade+ had experienced guys that knew how to play together. Fit and chemistry are super important. The pattern isn’t hard to deduce there. The team with the most raw talent almost never wins it all.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 that actually provides some insight. I didn’t realize a late first round/early second round guy was guaranteed that much $$ . Is that something new? I don’t think JWil goes 1st round at all. But maybe early to mid 2nd. But still if it pays like that, no question. Go get the dollars while he can cause he’s most likely a euro league within a couple years. As much as i admire him that just seems like the ceiling
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@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 so by that thought process Kevin should come back….
Depends on his though process. He’s generally ranked in the 65-75 range on a lot of mock drafts sites for a possible late pick depending on need and combine performance. Even if he’s not drafted, players in the ranger usually end up signing two-way contracts in the G-League. A two-way contract is half the rookie minimum salary which would mean a little over $500k if McCullar signed a two-way deal.
That’s more than he’d make in NIL next season and with KU potentially taking a step back next season and potentially being a team that struggles to score, this might be a case of McCullar leaving when his draft stock is at its highest, even if that highest isn’t being drafted. That’s essentially the situation Wayne Selden was in when he left after his junior year.
$500k for a two-way contract looks like the most probable outcome for McCullar at this point which is also most likely his highest paying option.
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@kuballin10 you really are a coach cal guy, no coaching just get the studs. No chemistry, every man for himself. I can tell u like those kind of players, me kinds of guys over team!
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@Crimsonorblue22 why is it one way or the other? Who is to say you can’t go get talent and coach them? We know we have a Coach. Why can’t talent be the missing ingredient? May not need the one and done types. But surely better talent provides better ceiling. Language often referred to by Self and staff.
And also. CAL can coach. Don’t be fooled
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Cause Self doesn’t want to be a one and done factory!
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@FarmerJayhawk gotta have both but the studs or horses gotta be the athletes
Look at Bama they would prove this wrong unless you count quinerly
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@Crimsonorblue22 all coaches want those type athletes. No ifs, ands, or butts
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@Crimsonorblue22 do you even bother to read the threads or just throw out obnoxious preconceived thoughts to my posts?
Farmer is literally replying as we go back and forth and you chime in adding nothing to the convo but taking a shot at me. Solid
To answer this you gotta have both especially Self. He needs upper class man with some young studs. You need the best players whether they are freshman (see Brandon miller or Houston’s Walker) or through portal or whatever. Most 3-4 year guys are there for a reason and not the best players versus the 1 and domes but a team of 1 and dones doesn’t always winbthe title like @FarmerJayhawk said. Dukes with tyus Jones, jahlil okafor, Grayson Allen and Justise Winslow do prove that wrong.
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@FarmerJayhawk The Duke team I mentioned challenges that, Nova was the most talented between them and unc a few years back but yes, the talent isn’t just all freshman it’s a mix of guys
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 that actually provides some insight. I didn’t realize a late first round/early second round guy was guaranteed that much $$ . Is that something new? I don’t think JWil goes 1st round at all. But maybe early to mid 2nd. But still if it pays like that, no question. Go get the dollars while he can cause he’s most likely a euro league within a couple years. As much as i admire him that just seems like the ceiling
All 1st round draft picks sign 4 year contracts. The first 2 years are fully guaranteed and years 3 and 4 are team options. Second round picks are not necessarily fully guaranteed and only have to be the rookie minimum which is a little over $1 million. Early second round picks usually get at least 1 year guaranteed, but not for $2+ million.
There are also quite a few reputable sites that have Jalen going in the 25-35 range. Combine showing and interviews will likely be the biggest determining factor in Jalen being able to sneak into the end of the 1st round.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 great for him if he can do it. He definitely should. The reward is certainly over the risk. His stock is not apt to improve alot, maybe just a lil but playing the “if” game on getting hurt, etc
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@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk The Duke team I mentioned challenges that, Nova was the most talented between them and unc a few years back but yes, the talent isn’t just all freshman it’s a mix of guys
Duke in 2015 had Quinn Cook, Amile Jefferson, Marshall Plumlee, and Matt Jones as rotation players. That’s half of the rotation after Rasheed Sulaimon left the team. Over half, if count him the first half of the season. Cook was a senior and Jefferson and Plumlee were juniors. That team had experience.
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@kuballin10 I’ll throw some more out there! Brandon miller and our crowd would love tripper Allen! R u serious? We go for dtae, Svi Josh Jackson, b rush, Wiggs, embiid, Grady Dick. Oubre! Cole Aldrich. Sherron. Guys that don’t need an armed guard and don’t trip people or need a therapist. KU fans aren’t big on Duke! Perfect for you though. They got to do their own research on the Zion debacle. Cleared themselves! Forgot Frank!
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@kuballin10 it’s one example in the almost 20 years of the OAD era.
Nova had some talented dudes but they all stayed multiple years and played together. That’s how you build it. Jay didn’t really shoot for the can’t miss 5* guys. He got players with traits he could develop. He redshirted a lot of guys too. So I think that makes my point.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@kuballin10 I’ll throw some more out there! Brandon miller and our crowd would love tripper Allen! R u serious? We go for dtae, Svi Josh Jackson, b rush, Wiggs, embiid, Grady Dick. Oubre! Cole Aldrich. Sherron. Guys that don’t need an armed guard and don’t trip people or need a therapist. KU fans aren’t big on Duke! Perfect for you though. They got to do their own research on the Zion debacle. Cleared themselves!
Josh Jackson was a head case and so were the Morris twins early on.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Josh was shaky, didn’t mention the twins.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@wissox Gradey and Kevin are 100% gone. Cuffe and Cam also out the door. TBD on the others but my guess is Zach and Yesufu are gone as well.
This is a very good guess. MJ and Joe have decisions to make. Could see Joe wanting to go to a level where he gets to shine a bit more.
If 4 leave it lets you bring in two starter level guys. Then boom, contender again.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Josh Jackson had legal issues here… Brannen Green. LeGerald Vick. Carlton Bragg.
Morris Twins nearly beat a guy to death.
KU has their own issues with players.
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We could argue raw talent vs experience vs whatever all day.
What KU lacked this year was any semblance of depth. Period.
KU needs to have 7 or 8 guys who can play basketball at this level. Idc if they are freshman or seniors. But this year was honestly unacceptable. The transfer portal and NIL should almost guarantee KU has 7 dudes who can play. We didn’t this year, and I felt like it cost us big time.
